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The AP mainly makes it cheaper and faster to cast. You definitely want 5 AP in the explosion skill, but it's definitely the least important of the 3 since Cyclone's a cheap cast anyway and there won't be many survivors after two shots.

Well, I'm still going to want to do the mage thing because I'm very interested in maging and I can always IW my armor. Also I'm not the happiest with my END potencies and may want to reset that at some point. I don't have to worry about lv. 10 because it will be hollowforged. And I didn't get it that far myself, someone's been exceptionally nice to me XD But yeah when that estoc is done it will buff my damage by ~150, PMI by 0.5%, AND upgrade my elemental strike to demonic. BOO-YAH!

Somehow I feel like if there's any post-200 players who want to try maging, it's easier to pick either fenrir (for high difficulty) or heimdall (for low difficulty and FSM) and fill the 4 spells up.

If you want to IW with heimdall on easy, it's just like how you do CF: spam purge.

Welp, I did think that fenrir/heimdall was the way to go. And probably heimdall since for now I'd be maging for low difficulty. But PK is kind enough to lend me gear and I have no reason not to get my elemental to 100 and return the gear to him. I will hunt for heimdall in the meantime, I really dig this super fast FSM kill stuff. I'm sure I can put something together for a grand total of a few hundred k if I look hard enough.

It's not that difficult if you only aim at easy/normal fast IWs. That's only 200 rounds. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
You may need some time to get your prof up, but offensive prof (especially spell prof) should be easy enough to get.
Just get something with INT/WIS and decent EDB. AGI is always a plus but is a bit overrated currently, IMO.

A question to the CF players.

What is the best way for a melee fighter(crys perk 3) to farm crystals?

I'll send you a PM about this...

Full shield of protection + the most godly scythe EVER.

Or just save up and mage instead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

poo poo on shield armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

It's not that difficult if you only aim at easy/normal fast IWs. That's only 200 rounds. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
You may need some time to get your prof up, but offensive prof (especially spell prof) should be easy enough to get.
Just get something with INT/WIS and decent EDB. AGI is always a plus but is a bit overrated currently, IMO.

AGI on Phase is like END on armor. Sure, you can have a good base Evade, but without the AGI that Evade won't stay competitive at higher levels. Mind, AGI's only 0.04/level instead of END's huge 0.07 plus HP (I so wish Phase had END available as a 5th PAB), but the comparison is valid. On the other hand, the spurning of DEX I don't agree with, it's still worth something like half to two thirds of AGI, since Parry is still avoidance.

Welp, I did think that fenrir/heimdall was the way to go. And probably heimdall since for now I'd be maging for low difficulty. But PK is kind enough to lend me gear and I have no reason not to get my elemental to 100 and return the gear to him. I will hunt for heimdall in the meantime, I really dig this super fast FSM kill stuff. I'm sure I can put something together for a grand total of a few hundred k if I look hard enough.

TBH, Fenrir/Heimdall IS the way to go, especially at higher difficulties where 65%+ Resists actually matter. I just happen to have far, far better Nif than Fenrir. Yes, that is a Perfect Willow Staff of Destruction in the sig. It's worth about 10k. Tenboro, please fix Willow ffs.

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 14 2012, 08:40

Ugh yes and no. End = you can never have enough (only when you have 100% miti from end is it "capped" because higher mit = longer you can stay in the godly 3k+ round grindfests). That is why turtle is so effective at the moment. But Agi = is far less effective once the actionspeed is capped. The bonus per additional agi is too little.

edit: a more reasonable comparison is probably Agi on phase is like Dex on heavy armor. Int on phase is like End on heavy armor. Not because of the function, but because of how vital that attribute is.

This post has been edited by Slobber: Dec 14 2012, 08:42

Ugh yes and no. End = you can never have enough (only when you have 100% miti from end is it "capped" because higher mit = longer you can stay in the godly 3k+ round grindfests). That is why turtle is so effective at the moment. But Agi = is far less effective once the actionspeed is capped. The bonus per additional agi is too little.

edit: a more reasonable comparison is probably Agi on phase is like Dex on heavy armor. Int on phase is like End on heavy armor. Not because of the function, but because of how vital that attribute is.

Legit. You could extend that too, Phase INT = Heavy END, Phase WIS = Heavy STR, Phase AGI= Heavy DEX, Phase DEX = Heavy AGI

AGI's definitely better at my level then at yours, 500 AGI is easy for you to hit, I barely manage 260.

Phase gets more expensive than heavy doesn't it? Although maybe not for nif.

At any rate I was able to complete the IW and got 10 prof for my trouble. Took maybe twice as long as a heavy estoc run but that's mainly because I took awhile to set up hotkeys and went a little too crazy with ET because I didn't have a good landmark as far as mana consumption. This is definitely going to turn out much faster after I get my prof up a bit.

I did some calculations for a melee, and unless I am not accounting for something, putting points into mana stats as melee lowers effective mana regen (at least for my stats aka no mana regen auras). This comes from casting "cheaper" support spells in order to channel expensive regen / heartseeker.

[edit] see below for calculations

This post has been edited by Arxdewn: Dec 14 2012, 13:00

Question is, how do you assess the channeling chance off a spell? The 2% drop for 10 points of WIS looks ridiculously large, isn't it? If you drop by a further 60 WIS, the chance will probably go negative!

Also, I'm not so sure how your reach the ~2% and ~0.64%. Mind showing all the calculation and firgures involved?

Hey, not sure if its the right thread to ask that question but i will give it a try.

Just a simple question how do people copy and paste their battlelogs in color? Like in this post here
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Is it some kind of script he is using to copy it or is there a trick to do it?

I tried to ask "aizenteppa" via a personal message but i think he diesabled his personal messenger.

Thanks in advance

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Dec 14 2012, 13:48

Hey, not sure if its the right thread to ask that question but i will give it a try.

Just a simple question how do people copy and paste their battlelogs in color? Like in this post here
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Is it some kind of script he is using to copy it or is there a trick to do it?

I tried to ask "aizenteppa" via a personal message but i think he diesabled his personal messenger.

Thanks in advance

It is a script called HVStat. Under settings there is an option for "Highlight battle log". That will allow you to have the text in the log (for items, equipment, etc.) to show up in color. For copying, just mouse over what you want from the log and copy it.

This post has been edited by Endless Origin: Dec 14 2012, 13:01

Protection costs 25% of lv 170 with 22% interference = 51.85 MP
Chance to channel: spellcost / (base MP * 1.2)
51.85 / (289 * 1.2) = 14.95%
Heartseeker costs 100% of lvl 170 with 22% interference = 207.4 MP
This means a channel proc used on Heartseeker averages out to 31.01 MP saved.
Rounding up my Support skill, Prot lasts 15 * 1.7 = 25.5 turns
31.01 / 25.5 = 1.21593 MP / turn on average

After increasing Wisdom by 10 I gain 7.5 base MP, and .4MP regen/min = .026666 MP / turn
Spell costs remain the same
Chance to channel: 51.85 / (296.5 * 1.2) = 14.573%
This means a channel proc used on Heartseeker averages out to 30.224 MP saved.
30.224 / 25.5 = 1.18527 MP / turn on average
Adding in the wisdom regen 1.18527 + .026666 = 1.21194 MP / turn

Difference: 1.21593 - 1.21194 = -.00399

I think I may have been confusing when I said 2% lower channeling -> (14.95 - 14.57) / 14.95 = 2.52%
And I ment .02 not 2MP difference (my bad)
However, the results do show that by increasing Wisdom, I lose effective MP assuming I am using base cost 25% spells for base cost 100% spells. This disregards other spells (I'm not sure how much those will differ), but also that channeled spells lasts longer and heal for more. There's also a limit in that there are only a few expensive buffs to keep up, extra channels aren't as effective.

[edit] fixed calculation

This post has been edited by Arxdewn: Dec 14 2012, 14:35

It is a script called HVStat. Under settings there is an option for "Highlight battle log". That will allow you to have the text in the log (for items, equipment, etc.) to show up in color. For copying, just mouse over what you want from the log and copy it.

I have HVStat on but i still cant copy and paste it in color in the forum.

It only post it like this

37 7 You gain 114 Credits!
37 6 You gain 93712 EXP!
37 5 Verdeloth The Ancient dropped [Godly Mana Potion]
37 4 You are Victorious!
37 3 Regen II restores 393 points of health
37 2 Rabbit Of Caerbannog has been defeated.
37 1 You hit Rabbit Of Caerbannog for 2739 void damage.

but it should be more like this here:

37 7 You gain 114 Credits!
37 6 You gain 93712 EXP
37 5 Verdeloth The Ancient dropped [Godly Mana Potion]
37 4 You are Victorious!
37 3 Regen II restores 393 points of health.
37 2 Rabbit Of Caerbannog has been defeated.
37 1 You hit Rabbit Of Caerbannog for 2739 void damage.

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Dec 14 2012, 13:14

However, the results do show that by increasing Wisdom, I lose effective MP assuming I am using base cost 25% spells for base cost 100% spells. This disregards other spells (I'm not sure how much those will differ), but also that channeled spells lasts longer and heal for more. There's also a limit in that there are only a few expensive buffs to keep up, extra channels aren't as effective.

I think there's something wrong in your calculation? The cost of heartseeker is way too high.
170 * 100% * 1.22 = 207.4. Even if you include the extra 50% from channeling, it will be 311.1, not 352.58.

Also, is that 22% interference or 22% mana cost?

I have HVStat on but i still cant copy and paste it in color in the forum.

It only post it like this

37 7 You gain 114 Credits!
37 6 You gain 93712 EXP!
37 5 Verdeloth The Ancient dropped [Godly Mana Potion]
37 4 You are Victorious!
37 3 Regen II restores 393 points of health
37 2 Rabbit Of Caerbannog has been defeated.
37 1 You hit Rabbit Of Caerbannog for 2739 void damage.

but it should be more like this here:

37 7 You gain 114 Credits!
37 6 You gain 93712 EXP
37 5 Verdeloth The Ancient dropped [Godly Mana Potion]
37 4 You are Victorious!
37 3 Regen II restores 393 points of health.
37 2 Rabbit Of Caerbannog has been defeated.
37 1 You hit Rabbit Of Caerbannog for 2739 void damage.

I stopped using STAT a long time ago, so unless there's some new feature allowing it, I don't think it's able to append color tags to text copied from the battle log.

I stopped using STAT a long time ago, so unless there's some new feature allowing it, I don't think it's able to append color tags to text copied from the battle log.

I see but how does he do it in this post then?

Do u think he is coloring each line individually?
I doubt that it would be to much work in my opinion and he did it in all of his posts there.

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Dec 14 2012, 13:55

I see but how does he do it in this post then?

Do u think he is coloring each line individually?
I doubt that it would be to much work in my opinion and he did it in all of his posts there.

stats has a color + other stuff and it will only show up if you copy a pic and post that.

what is done for stuff like that battle log is just using the color you can pic in the forum