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post Dec 12 2012, 15:43
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QUOTE(Kelenius @ Dec 12 2012, 09:15) *

Is there a point in getting Spark of Life at level 106?


Yeah. It's good. If you're IWBTH'ing most anything with more than 5 mobs a round, then yeah, you need it (o hai Agitated Elemental Magic Skill Crit, I didn't see that 4000 damage coming!). Near the end of IWs, you'll want it (when even Heroic enemies are hitting like it's IWBTH).

Less necessary for melee than mage, but even on melee, 5 turns of 'I don't give a damn' level mitigation when you 'die' is good.

It is basically crap with only 1 point in it though. Just a quick save, not even enough time afterward to get back to HP and recast it. With 5 points though, the Cloak should last enough to help get the situation under control.
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post Dec 12 2012, 19:26
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My Staff: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7069a3e7b5
Cap: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f934948188
Robe: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4bac4d5be4
Gloves: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2ede29c9c9
Pants: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fe7683bb31
Shoes: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=dfc07ea7fe

Should I focus more on leveling right now, or getting equipment that isn't terrible? ...The staff is pretty nice, though. For me, anyway. My method of leveling involves doing not much of anything until the hourlies (which I got a timer for, making that more reliable), where I jump right in IWBTH difficulty, sleep everything, scan everything that needs scanning, apply all my buffs and one debuff, then hammer on anything that can hurt me one by one until it dies (which takes a while, enough where I'll need several mana potions despite my lowered mana use rate), making sure everything else sleeps as I do so. It's not that bad of a strategy, really. Until suddenly, a giant or something else oneshots me with a skill, doing more than my max HP despite having every single HP tank I can get at this level. (Due to this, they're first. Less opportunities for them, that way.) As such, I think I should get better armor to keep that from happening...but really, I don't know what to think, or even if what I'm doing is a good idea at all! This is why I'm here, after all. Help me~

...Oh, and I think I might be remembering wrong, but does Weaken work on the usual monster skill? I don't think it did, but if it does then I could probably go about this so much better by actually taking it already. I don't have to worry about normal attacks even if they crit since I cure them off instantly, so...
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post Dec 12 2012, 19:33
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You should focus on leveling. I don't play mage but from what I know your pants are the only thing that are reasonable, except you don't have access to dark yet I believe. Hold on to the pants but don't use them for now. Instead, get some free stuff from free shops in WTS forum. Look for gossamer of the elementalist (elemental proficiency) since you aren't focusing on one element yet. The other option is phase (spell damage bonus in one damage type), but that is expensive. I believe proficiency bonuses works out to be better at low level anyway.

Edit: Forgot to mention: the primary attribute bonus (PAB) that really matters to you is INT/WIS, so keep an eye out for that too when selecting gear.

Your staff has good mana conservation but abysmal MDB. The accuracy and magic crit aren't great either. You can use [userscripts.org] this script to compare gear. Amongst the other functions, you can hit 'r' with your cursor over your gear to see how it fares against the best possible rolls.

Sleep isn't good. Weaken is amazing and works on ALL damage output from the monsters, so definitely use weaken instead of sleep. I'd even suggest a respec and putting 5 points into weaken. HP and MP tanks are good.

Read the advice page (first green link in my sig). It'll give you great tips on how to get started. I strongly recommend you read through all of it and understand the parts that pertain to you before doing the respec that I mentioned.

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post Dec 12 2012, 19:42
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QUOTE(shikieikinonono @ Dec 12 2012, 19:26) *

My Staff: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7069a3e7b5
Cap: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f934948188
Robe: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4bac4d5be4
Gloves: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2ede29c9c9
Pants: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fe7683bb31
Shoes: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=dfc07ea7fe

Should I focus more on leveling right now, or getting equipment that isn't terrible? ...The staff is pretty nice, though. For me, anyway. My method of leveling involves doing not much of anything until the hourlies (which I got a timer for, making that more reliable), where I jump right in IWBTH difficulty, sleep everything, scan everything that needs scanning, apply all my buffs and one debuff, then hammer on anything that can hurt me one by one until it dies (which takes a while, enough where I'll need several mana potions despite my lowered mana use rate), making sure everything else sleeps as I do so. It's not that bad of a strategy, really. Until suddenly, a giant or something else oneshots me with a skill, doing more than my max HP despite having every single HP tank I can get at this level. (Due to this, they're first. Less opportunities for them, that way.) As such, I think I should get better armor to keep that from happening...but really, I don't know what to think, or even if what I'm doing is a good idea at all! This is why I'm here, after all. Help me~

...Oh, and I think I might be remembering wrong, but does Weaken work on the usual monster skill? I don't think it did, but if it does then I could probably go about this so much better by actually taking it already. I don't have to worry about normal attacks even if they crit since I cure them off instantly, so...

You should work on leveling right now, you can get decent starter equipments for free in the WTS shops, just look for [Free] in the topic title.

For starting mages, use Elemental Gossemar since you need prof to boost damage. Never look at Cottons, not matter how cheap or good they are, they cant compete with the damage and utility that Gossemar and Phase offer.

Your leveling method is inefficient, you should do all Arena while waiting for the Hourlies, and grind Crystalfest after Arena. Never use Sleep, it is very bad for mage and dont even bother with scanning, you will soon outlevel them anyway, just keep blasting them with Elementalist Gossemar boosted spells. When you use Sleep, your AoE spells most likely will waken it up and prompt it to immediately move again in the same turn, that is why you get one-shoted. You are expected to eat through mana during the leveling state, so dont be stingy. Also pick up the Mana Tank after HP Tank, get Shadow Veil (keep it up) Regen and Cure

Weaken lower monsters' physical and magical damage and prevent it from critical hitting. Silence (unlocks at 110) prevent it from using skills
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post Dec 12 2012, 19:53
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Yep. never use cotton and you need better staff - the MC is nice thing, but only sth to use when you cannot otherwise finish, as the HP,tiers, credits scale closely until BT, meaning you want to kill the most beast, which requires speed.

If you go elemental, there's a point in using high-quality gossamer of the elementalist - if you play at the difficulties where you cannot properly oneshot rounds(And you should be able to at normal with full phase and offensive staff). Also, if your proficiencies are low gossamer of the heaven-sent/demon-fiend are inexpensive and provide fair amount of boost. Never use priestess, curse-weaver or earth-walker.
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post Dec 12 2012, 20:54
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QUOTE(shikieikinonono @ Dec 12 2012, 21:26) *

My Staff: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7069a3e7b5
Cap: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f934948188
Robe: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4bac4d5be4
Gloves: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2ede29c9c9
Pants: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fe7683bb31
Shoes: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=dfc07ea7fe

Should I focus more on leveling right now, or getting equipment that isn't terrible? ...The staff is pretty nice, though. For me, anyway. My method of leveling involves doing not much of anything until the hourlies (which I got a timer for, making that more reliable), where I jump right in IWBTH difficulty, sleep everything, scan everything that needs scanning, apply all my buffs and one debuff, then hammer on anything that can hurt me one by one until it dies (which takes a while, enough where I'll need several mana potions despite my lowered mana use rate), making sure everything else sleeps as I do so. It's not that bad of a strategy, really. Until suddenly, a giant or something else oneshots me with a skill, doing more than my max HP despite having every single HP tank I can get at this level. (Due to this, they're first. Less opportunities for them, that way.) As such, I think I should get better armor to keep that from happening...but really, I don't know what to think, or even if what I'm doing is a good idea at all! This is why I'm here, after all. Help me~

...Oh, and I think I might be remembering wrong, but does Weaken work on the usual monster skill? I don't think it did, but if it does then I could probably go about this so much better by actually taking it already. I don't have to worry about normal attacks even if they crit since I cure them off instantly, so...

Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you some stuff. I hope it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Dec 12 2012, 21:59
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QUOTE(varst @ Dec 11 2012, 23:14) *

In short: your mana is doomed if you cast SoL and let it proc 5 turns later. IA average out the mana cost.


Nice filtering. That was probably the best tldr version conceivable for why SoL on IA is good

Although I'd say IA "lowers" the mana cost moreso than averages it ^^
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post Dec 13 2012, 04:45
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Butcher Lv.2 Swift Strike Lv.5
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Butcher Lv.5 Swift Strike Lv.2
whats better for Estoc?
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post Dec 13 2012, 04:47
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QUOTE(irvin123455 @ Dec 13 2012, 02:45) *

Butcher Lv.2 Swift Strike Lv.5
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Butcher Lv.5 Swift Strike Lv.2
whats better for Estoc?


5 butcher
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post Dec 13 2012, 05:32
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I've been wondering this too, wiki says they both give ~2% bonus, so butcher would give 2% WD bonus while SS would give 2% attack speed which translates into 2% overall damage bonus. Of course you waste a bit more buff durations if you're already invincible and the slower fights in real time but are those enough to make butcher that much more favourable than SS?
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post Dec 13 2012, 05:56
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Ah, fishinsea I want to ask you what's your evade?(and maybe T_Starrk too) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I only notice today that Shadow Veil from spell and scroll different, so total evade we can get is our evade+SV spell+SV scroll(for me now max evade is 70.9;30.9+20+20)
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post Dec 13 2012, 05:58
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I'd rather have the butcher personally. I'm still skeptical as to how much SS helps on a TH weapon. It's not like dual wield where you can have two SS. lv.5 weapons that stack.
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post Dec 13 2012, 05:59
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Not too great

Physical Attack
3577.5 base damage
149.3 % hit chance
44.9 % crit chance

Avoidance
44.2 % evade
0 % block
38.5 % parry
51.9 % resist

And they don't stack linearly like that, the total evade would be 1-(1-44.2%)(1-20%)(1-20%) = 64.2% evade with scroll and SV. Maybe with flower pot you can get to 100 since we don't know what it gives but anti-evade is a bitch.

You can notice the effects of butcher in battle more maybe but it's only like 1% overall damage increase if damage is linear calculation using the physical attack base damage in character screen. I like SS more personally because light armor already boosts action speed by a lot and SS amplifies that even more but for estoc I think it's more or less even. (all theoretical, I don't pay attention to battle log/completion time at all, just use skills then hold down number pad)

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post Dec 13 2012, 06:00
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QUOTE(t15 @ Dec 12 2012, 18:56) *

Ah, fishinsea I want to ask you what's your evade?(and maybe T_Starrk too) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I only notice today that Shadow Veil from spell and scroll different, so total evade we can get is our evade+SV spell+SV scroll(for me now max evade is 70.9;30.9+20+20)


Current stats:

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post Dec 13 2012, 06:06
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Dec 13 2012, 05:59) *

Not too great

Avoidance
44.2 % evade
0 % block
38.5 % parry
51.9 % resist

And they don't stack linearly like that, the total evade would be 1-(1-44.2%)(1-20%)(1-20%) = 64.2% evade with scroll and SV. Maybe with flower pot you can get to 100 since we don't know what it gives but anti-evade is a bitch.

You can notice the effects of butcher in battle more maybe but it's only like 1% overall damage increase if damage is linear calculation using the physical attack base damage in character screen. I like SS more personally because light armor already boosts action speed by a lot and SS amplifies that even more but for estoc I think it's more or less even.

Ok, thx fishinsea and T_Stark. That does clear things to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 13 2012, 06:07
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What's calculated first, resist or absorb? Resist is already useless enough, but wondering how bad it actually is.

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post Dec 13 2012, 06:18
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Dec 12 2012, 19:07) *

What's calculated first, resist or absorb? Resist is already useless enough, but wondering how bad it actually is.


Not sure, but I actually do resist a spell once in awhile (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . Still a lot more useless than evade and parry though.
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post Dec 13 2012, 06:43
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a bit off topic, what's this Superior Phase Gloves of Heimdall worth?

i cant help to understand how each item worth is estimated, near stat n such (i ald got the Eq base value display and i still cant makes the heads n tails of it) and if possible the general knowledge or rules of proxy in market.

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post Dec 13 2012, 07:00
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So I've been waiting until I reached 200 to just go to the shrine and go nuts. Question, I am going to throw it all in there but is there a specific place I should place certain trophies...I mean the bosses, legendaries, and ultimates? I am probably going to make 2H with heavy plates my main thing from now on, so of course I am not going to go for staffs, shields, or cloth...but light is questionable...heavy should I just use the legendaries or mix and match? Also, I do like 1H weapons because of DW...well, I am being confusing, but thoughts?
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post Dec 13 2012, 07:10
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QUOTE(zentetsuken @ Dec 12 2012, 20:43) *

a bit off topic, what's this Superior Phase Gloves of Heimdall worth?

i cant help to understand how each item worth is estimated, near stat n such (i ald got the Eq base value display and i still cant makes the heads n tails of it) and if possible the general knowledge or rules of proxy in market.

number wise hard to say, but in layman's terms, not much. edb, int, wis are too low to warrant +agi being considered a plus.

QUOTE(SPoison @ Dec 12 2012, 21:00) *

So I've been waiting until I reached 200 to just go to the shrine and go nuts. Question, I am going to throw it all in there but is there a specific place I should place certain trophies...I mean the bosses, legendaries, and ultimates? I am probably going to make 2H with heavy plates my main thing from now on, so of course I am not going to go for staffs, shields, or cloth...but light is questionable...heavy should I just use the legendaries or mix and match? Also, I do like 1H weapons because of DW...well, I am being confusing, but thoughts?

depends if you are looking solely for something for yourself, or something to sell etc. 2hand is recommended for bosses & shit trophies cuz least risk/reward. (2hand tier 1s are still usable as opposed to staves--redwoods everywhere).

Also after a couple batches of getting complete shit you might just feel like gambling on other categories (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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