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post Dec 11 2012, 23:14
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If you're gonna stick with light armor, ethereal and mace/club are the main goals, as burden reduces evade by a lot and your PMI isn't exactly great either. Axe is not that great especially without a rapier to proc PA.
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post Dec 12 2012, 00:03
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At this point, too many people have showed up in these parts with mythical gear from the elusive OMGWTFBBQ shop of 80k per exquisite-ness.
Obviously I severely lack WTS camping skills.

Also I'm getting owned by PAB potencies but I have neither the time nor amnesia shards to address this problem. It's OK, breathe deeply, END is good!

QUOTE(varst @ Dec 11 2012, 00:06) *
Also, I'm not 100% sure if 60% mitigation can survive post-200 battles without being badly injured. But you can always retreat to plate.


I have 64% PMI with 5% evade and 17.5% parry, and whether or not you get roasted is totally dependent on how many 1000PLs you get in any given round. In IWBTH, each big5 generally comes to a quarter of a mana pot for me. But my damage is pretty pathetic though. If I could 1shot them with spirit cleave, it would be much less of a problem.

Side question, is IA1 good enough to buy immediately? I'm a heavy melee with a gold aura mana regen bonus. I will have 50 Hath by dawn. Or should I sit on it for options and wait for the next 100 hath and go straight to IA2 because that's where it's really worth it?
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post Dec 12 2012, 00:09
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You need to buy IA1 to have IA2 anyway, and IA1 is quite useful for, say, saving casting time off Protection.
Also, 80k per ex? Those better actually be good exquisites, not ones that lose to superior.
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post Dec 12 2012, 00:10
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For plate, how many offensive power pieces should I get versus the amount of defensive pieces?
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post Dec 12 2012, 00:13
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As many offensive pieces as you can comfortably wield while still taking advantage of holding down numpad keys.

EDIT: *checks Kagoromo's equips* AIIIEEEEE! Where have you been putting your money? AIIEEEEE!

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post Dec 12 2012, 00:19
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QUOTE(loserneo @ Dec 12 2012, 00:03) *

Side question, is IA1 good enough to buy immediately? I'm a heavy melee with a gold aura mana regen bonus. I will have 50 Hath by dawn. Or should I sit on it for options and wait for the next 100 hath and go straight to IA2 because that's where it's really worth it?

If you absolutely have to take IA1 right now , I suggest Haste or Spark. IA1 gives you more time control by saving you a click/turn from applying the buff

Truth is, I like IA2, IA1 only saves you a turn from refreshing the buff, but IA2 can save 15% mana cost.

QUOTE(loserneo @ Dec 12 2012, 00:03) *

At this point, too many people have showed up in these parts with mythical gear from the elusive OMGWTFBBQ shop of 80k per exquisite-ness.
Obviously I severely lack WTS camping skills.

I got my better-than-superior exquisite just for 50k just by camping the WTS

QUOTE(HigherMakoto @ Dec 12 2012, 00:10) *

For plate, how many offensive power pieces should I get versus the amount of defensive pieces?

If you are not dying after switching out Protection for a Slaughter, keep switching

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post Dec 12 2012, 00:23
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On low-turn duration things the pause you take to refresh the buff adds up even with IA 1 enough to pay off in reasonable amount of time, as in months instead of years, so it isn't completely a waste.

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post Dec 12 2012, 00:35
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Hrm, now that I think about it I found my cuirass and gloves, paid 12k for the greaves. Don't remember where I got the boots? But I haven't really found upgrades for all these, maybe I'm too much of a cheapo? I did level pretty fast because of my aura...

The helmet was 70k for a sup and has no end but it has exquisite-level adb and maxed pmi.

I'm dying over this IA thing. I really want IA but like coma I'm not sure if IA1 is that great. I know I need IA1 for IA2, which I fully intend to get, but I have this weird mentality that I could hold on to that hath in case I need it to buy something amazing and time-limited that I couldn't afford otherwise.
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post Dec 12 2012, 00:46
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If you aren't willing to get upgrade to greaves that you paid 12k for, you aren't willing to buy things for 50 hath, probably. Hehe.

The ability to melee that much smoother is worth it even without the mana conversation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Though how long can it take you to gather 100 hath anyway? Auction's are rarely 1-day only(Edit: I'm assuming you do H@H in addition to daily battles).

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post Dec 12 2012, 00:48
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Ok, that was anticlimactic. I tried a hourly IWBTH and after killing them out of boredom bashing them over and over again i got 2 godly potions and an average cloth hahah. It can easily be done though, and the 7k exp was nice.
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post Dec 12 2012, 00:49
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For heavy it seems like it's worth it because protection's cast time and duration are pretty awful. Or you might end up like me who saved 150 hath for eventual rainbow aura only to blow it on more favourites and such. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Where did you get the estoc btw, haven't found anything worthwhile to buy in weeks.
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post Dec 12 2012, 01:02
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@Loserneo buy it. at the least, it's awesome for hourlies. And supportive prof training.

Not too great cuz of cost at just over lvl 200 for me either, but once you figure out how to use it in various difficulties/situations, it becomes essential. I have IA2 now. Having to recast buffs all the time through 130+ rounds of iwbth is a bitch, so gotta say it's worth the investment.

though now that i have ia2 i really want ia3 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). I really want to be lazy w/ my buffing

protections cast time is fine. it's just the duration that is completely lame.
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post Dec 12 2012, 01:05
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QUOTE(loserneo @ Dec 12 2012, 00:35) *

Hrm, now that I think about it I found my cuirass and gloves, paid 12k for the greaves. Don't remember where I got the boots? But I haven't really found upgrades for all these, maybe I'm too much of a cheapo? I did level pretty fast because of my aura...

The helmet was 70k for a sup and has no end but it has exquisite-level adb and maxed pmi.

I'm dying over this IA thing. I really want IA but like coma I'm not sure if IA1 is that great. I know I need IA1 for IA2, which I fully intend to get, but I have this weird mentality that I could hold on to that hath in case I need it to buy something amazing and time-limited that I couldn't afford otherwise.

I lifted mine from a certain store that sold it for 20k, too bad about AD and PMI. It pays to camp WTS, though you might want to keep blacklist on the stores that overcharge for underpowered equipments.

Anyway, like I said, IA1 only give you more control in time/turn management, but sometimes 1-turn reapplying means the difference between defeat and victory when Eila double-tap you again while you rebuffing. On the other hand, having IA1 means if fight takes too long, it hurts your mana more at the wrong moment (i.e. auto-Spark at the first round)

Atm, 50 hath is not going to buy any game-changing perks, might as well as spend it on IA or save for Crystalium

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post Dec 12 2012, 01:07
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First, I would like to reiterate that this thread is amazing. This is basically the only game forum I've ever been part of where there isn't flaming in every other post. Still not used to it. Lots of <3 to all of you.

QUOTE(Lement @ Dec 11 2012, 16:46) *
If you aren't willing to get upgrade to greaves that you paid 12k for, you aren't willing to buy things for 50 hath, probably. Hehe.

The ability to melee that much smoother is worth it even without the mana conversation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Though how long can it take you to gather 100 hath anyway? Auction's are rarely 1-day only(Edit: I'm assuming you do H@H in addition to daily battles).


No, I do not run H@H. I'd love to, but can't. The hath is from my gold aura only (and I bought 20 when there was a pretty good buyout price on the hath exchange). Which is why I'm so reluctant to spend it. I am totally willing to upgrade the greaves that I paid 12k for but I haven't played this game that long guys! I joined earlier this year but I really only started a month ago. My bazaar-scouring tells me good and affordable heavy armor is not that common. Lots of souped-up auctions and fraudulent prices out there.


QUOTE(fishinsea @ Dec 11 2012, 16:49) *

For heavy it seems like it's worth it because protection's cast time and duration are pretty awful. Or you might end up like me who saved 150 hath for eventual rainbow aura only to blow it on more favourites and such. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Where did you get the estoc btw, haven't found anything worthwhile to buy in weeks.


Now here's a reason I can dig for getting IA1 early. Protection's duration is awful, making it a terrible option for even channeling. Favorites and tag flagging would be nice but I'm not close to using up my 500 yet, and I have a strong stomach. As for the estoc, someone asked about how much they should price it for IN THIS VERY THREAD and I PM'd them for the sale. Getting owned on the potencies though.

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QUOTE(Coma @ Dec 11 2012, 17:05) *

I lifted mine from a certain store that sold it for 20k, too bad about AD and PMI. It pays to camp WTS, though you might want to keep blacklist on the stores that overcharge for underpowered equipments.

Anyway, like I said, IA1 only give you more control in time/turn management, but sometimes 1-turn reapplying means the difference between defeat and victory when Eila double-tap you again while you rebuffing. On the other hand, having IA1 means if fight takes too long, it hurts your mana more at the wrong moment (i.e. auto-Spark at the first round)

Atm, 50 hath is not going to buy any game-changing perks, might as well as spend it on IA or save for Crystalium


Well if you use your comparison script, you'll see that your exquisite gauntlets are actually not massively better than mine. They are definitely better but rather than pay 20k for the upgrade I'd rather suck it up and buy something much better.

I'm not expecting 50 hath to change my game, and crystarium is waaaaaay far away for me to save for it right now. I've set my sights on IA2 for sure, probably IA3 as well. I need a rainbow less badly because I have a gold. Again, I have no amazing reason to hang on to it like lement said, so I've more or less decided to do the IA1 and stick protection on it.

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post Dec 12 2012, 01:18
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QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 12 2012, 00:02) *
though now that i have ia2 i really want ia3 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). I really want to be lazy w/ my buffing

I can assure you, having haste/prot and ss on IA slot is great as far as laziness goes, I definitely do not regret getting IA3. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

About putting SoL in your first slot... as a heavy melee, meh. Unless doing long -fests or legendary IWs on IWBTH I'd say SS is better
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post Dec 12 2012, 02:12
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I'm not expecting 50 hath to change my game, and crystarium is waaaaaay far away for me to save for it right now.


Are you sure you want to be doing 500+ rounds of crysfest? Because if not then crystarium isn't actually worth it; it'll take a long time before the crystals you get from arena/item world to pay off the 4 mil. With that money you can buy 16000* every crystal (around 4 pl 400?)

I've been waiting since I started for a good ethereal club of slaughter, still got nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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protection <- IA takes lots of advantage
haste <- this is actually very overrated in IA imo but it's still very good
sv <- good for IA only when you have too many IA slots and want the buff
SoL <- IA takes lots of advantage
s shield <- good for IA only when you have too many IA slots and want the buff

I mentioned the reasoning for SoL a while ago but cbf to find the post again. it's very logical (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Dec 12 2012, 03:08
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I always use SoL in IA when playing in higher difficulties. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 12 2012, 03:22
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I still don't have an IA slot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . Meh, I seem to get by without it I guess. I just don't have a good way to earn hath (besides spending every credit I earn on it).
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post Dec 12 2012, 03:29
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Dec 12 2012, 02:22) *

I still don't have an IA slot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . Meh, I seem to get by without it I guess. I just don't have a good way to earn hath (besides spending every credit I earn on it).

What about the artifacts?
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