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So, I just fought Yuki and beat her; and it was way easier than Ryoko. XD Was surprised I was doing so much damage even with my divine proficiency being kinda down the toilet compared to my elemental proficiency.
Then after the battle i noticed in the Ring of Blood page Ryoko's round listed the highest completion as 'hard' rather than normal. XD Apparently I forgot to change my difficulty back down from where I do arenas before fighting her. (Dunno how most people do it, but I'm using Heroic for grinding, hard for arenas, and normal for ring of blood)

if you have time to grind, why don't you try increasing the difficulty in arena by one each day until you spend all your mana pot?

Dunno how most people do it, but I'm using Heroic for grinding, hard for arenas, and normal for ring of blood

If you aint using up all potions slots when you clear the round, then you are not grinding efficiently (ignoring time spend vs exp gained) Turn up the difficulty, you will level much faster, also consider IWBTH Hourlies instead of crystalfest/grindfest/IW

I dont recommend grinding RoG, the payout is not very good (Blood Token is rare to come by), except for FSM (mainly for Noodles and greater loot drop bonus)

Ring of Blood: Mages, always use Imperil. The damage can increase by a magnitude.
And I personally use shockblast+Flames of Loki to kill IWBTH FSM, with the state of my div prof/holy set it is preferable.

a question again from me
custom monster only can get 10% evade from chaos token. so, how the hell they can evade so much?

IWBTH random encounters are SO MUCH EXP. Like, just doing those instead of everything else and you'll level up more still. Also I've found Kevlar to actually be pretty decent (going back to the earlier conversation) since without very good shade evade, at lower gear/level you're less susceptible to poor rng.

If you aint using up all potions slots when you clear the round, then you are not grinding efficiently (ignoring time spend vs exp gained) Turn up the difficulty, you will level much faster, also consider IWBTH Hourlies instead of crystalfest/grindfest/IW

I dont recommend grinding RoG, the payout is not very good (Blood Token is rare to come by), except for FSM (mainly for Noodles and greater loot drop bonus)

I guess so far i've been very inefficient in doing arena then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ; well, since i tend to play at leisure difficulty where i can maintain health and mana pool through focus alone. Hell, i think i've better off being a mage, it sounds a lot faster though you can die easily.

@Lement: is it me or you just change your title to newbie? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) is that some kind of self-challenging?

Ring of Blood: Mages, always use Imperil. The damage can increase by a magnitude.
And I personally use shockblast+Flames of Loki to kill IWBTH FSM, with the state of my div prof/holy set it is preferable.

I think it's more efficient to use IWBTH FSM as an opportunity to increase your Divine proficiency. When I started IWBTH FSM runs around level 170, I had a holy set that was partially Heaven-sent and about 60 Divine proficiency, but it shot up really quickly. I use it (and one daily schoolgirl arena on Hard) as a means of maintaining my Divine proficiency since I use wind magic just about everywhere else.

@n125: That's interesting way to think about it.
@rally9981: When proficiency grinding you want to minimize damage.

IWBTH random encounters are SO MUCH EXP. Like, just doing those instead of everything else and you'll level up more still.

That is why my proficiency is so bad/underlevel (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) , to the point I leave 1 enemy in arena to press R to spam weaken and protection. Been a few day not doing any random encounter

So, I just fought Yuki and beat her; and it was way easier than Ryoko. XD Was surprised I was doing so much damage even with my divine proficiency being kinda down the toilet compared to my elemental proficiency.
Then after the battle i noticed in the Ring of Blood page Ryoko's round listed the highest completion as 'hard' rather than normal. XD Apparently I forgot to change my difficulty back down from where I do arenas before fighting her. (Dunno how most people do it, but I'm using Heroic for grinding, hard for arenas, and normal for ring of blood)

Difficulty level will go up as you level and get better gear/prof and spells (Spark, AF, and Regen II all improve your abilities significantly). Keep pushing it as you go. In 100 levels, you'll probably be doing a decent chunk of the first page arenas on IWBTH, with BT (or whatever level you can consistently two-shot 80%+ of the monsters on) for a significant chunk after that. Heroic will be easy if you aren't going well over 100 rounds.

Do IWBTH hourlies if you can (otherwise BT), you get about as much XP from clearing an IWBTH hourly with 7-10 monsters as you would from an IWBTH FSM (FSM gives more Legendary Cotton though). Immediate Haste->SV->Weaken anything with a lot of MP->Weaken EVERYTHING->Kill everything with AoEs (imperil if you need to). Pop a Godly Health (they're dirt cheap) once you take the first round of hits. It gets easier once you hit 100 and get Spark of Life. If you can't quite swing IWBTH, at least go for Battletoads.

That is why my proficiency is so bad/underlevel (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) , to the point I leave 1 enemy in arena to press R to spam weaken and protection. Been a few day not doing any random encounter

Don't grind prof at your level unless you need it for something in particular. It catches up when you stop leveling so fast sometime in the mid-100s. Especially not supportive prof, since Flame Spikes is better for grinding that anyway and you get that very soon at 110.

a question again from me
custom monster only can get 10% evade from chaos token. so, how the hell they can evade so much?

Because every night Tenboro secretly tweaks the RNG to hate on us more. He's admitted as much. Nothing like watching a monster you know can't possibly have over 7% resist manage to resist 3/4 damage spells thrown at him and then land a skill crit for good measure. Your opponents can only possibly have 4% parry and 2% evade due to how Chaos Upgrades work at your current level (139-> max PL of 221, max of 4 upgrades to each), and that's before your anti-evade. So yeah, the RNG just hates us.

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 3 2012, 10:41

However, if you're melee, you want to stay 150-200, if mage 1X0-200 as long as possible - I personally do my REs on hard for shards.

Difficulty level will go up as you level and get better gear/prof and spells (Spark, AF, and Regen II all improve your abilities significantly). Keep pushing it as you go. In 100 levels, you'll probably be doing a decent chunk of the first page arenas on IWBTH, with BT (or whatever level you can consistently two-shot 80%+ of the monsters on) for a significant chunk after that. Heroic will be easy if you aren't going well over 100 rounds.

Do IWBTH hourlies if you can (otherwise BT), you get about as much XP from clearing an IWBTH hourly with 7-10 monsters as you would from an IWBTH FSM (FSM gives more Legendary Cotton though). Immediate Haste->SV->Weaken anything with a lot of MP->Weaken EVERYTHING->Kill everything with AoEs (imperil if you need to). Pop a Godly Health (they're dirt cheap) once you take the first round of hits. It gets easier once you hit 100 and get Spark of Life. If you can't quite swing IWBTH, at least go for Battletoads.
Don't grind prof at your level unless you need it for something in particular. It catches up when you stop leveling so fast sometime in the mid-100s. Especially not supportive prof, since Flame Spikes is better for grinding that anyway and you get that very soon at 110.

Well, somehow I want to raise supportive prof to reduce mana upkeep per turn(for now haste eating 1.18MP per turn with 43 supportive prof)

a question again from me
custom monster only can get 10% evade from chaos token. so, how the hell they can evade so much?

Monsters have similar stats like us. The same 'stat to primary attributes' applies on both players and monsters.

I think it's more efficient to use IWBTH FSM as an opportunity to increase your Divine proficiency. When I started IWBTH FSM runs around level 170, I had a holy set that was partially Heaven-sent and about 60 Divine proficiency, but it shot up really quickly. I use it (and one daily schoolgirl arena on Hard) as a means of maintaining my Divine proficiency since I use wind magic just about everywhere else.

IWBTH FSM can be used as any kind of prof grinding at our level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Put slow, magnet and silence and FSM is just something with very high HP.

However, if you're melee, you want to stay 150-200, if mage 1X0-200 as long as possible - I personally do my REs on hard for shards.

TBH I simply can't understand the logic. Lv.200 isn't that horrible as it sounds....and you're going to be much stronger passing through that barrier. So why intentionally suppress your leveling progress?

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 3 2012, 10:29

IWBTH FSM can be used as any kind of prof grinding at our level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Put slow, magnet and silence and FSM is just something with very high HP.

True; one of these days I should try Magic Missiling it to death so that my Staff proficiency can get the ~60 points it's still missing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Monsters have similar stats like us. The same 'stat to primary attributes' applies on both players and monsters.

No, AGI just gives monsters action speed. They specifically don't get avoidance from primary stats, only Chaos upgrades.

According to wiki PK is correct.
varst: The increase in resists between 110 and 190 is quite horrible in increasing time taken per round. Similarly, one wants to maximize their rewards, and such minmaxing expgain-rewards would be best with how long it takes when resist rate quintuples. Not to mention the HP, damage, evade, time taken to heal....

No, AGI just gives monsters action speed. They specifically don't get avoidance from primary stats, only Chaos upgrades.

Yea, seems you're correct after I checked notes. They have the stats, then the stats set to 0, then is increases again by chaos upgrades. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

varst: The increase in resists between 110 and 190 is quite horrible in increasing time taken per round. Similarly, one wants to maximize their rewards, and such minmaxing expgain-rewards would be best with how long it takes when resist rate quintuples. Not to mention the HP, damage, evade, time taken to heal....

I still don't understand. Yes the monsters get stronger, but at the same time you also get stronger.

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 3 2012, 11:26

Yea, seems you're correct after I checked notes. They have the stats, then the stats set to 0, then is increases again by chaos upgrades. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
I still don't understand. Yes the monsters get stronger, but at the same time you also get stronger.

Think he's trying to (among other things) milk having SS but no Eila for all it's worth. Definitely doing more IW, less arena/RE than usual for now though (need some Economizer levels on that thing).

By the way Lement, what level are you doing IWs at (and what quality of items)?

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 3 2012, 11:56

I still don't understand. Yes the monsters get stronger, but at the same time you also get stronger.

We get stronger in term of dmg and endurance, but monster parry/resist/evade/block more with stat scaling, which increase the amount of frustrate as sometimes it takes 7-8 casts to land a god dam weaken (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
And it takes quite a long time before we can facerolling like pre 200, so I can understand why (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Other than that, post 200 is awesome (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Nekokon: Dec 3 2012, 12:02

We get stronger in term of dmg and endurance, but monster parry/resist/evade/block more with stat scaling, which increase the amount of frustrate as sometimes it takes 7-8 casts to land a god dam weaken (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
And it takes quite a long time before we can facerolling like pre 200, so I can understand why (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Other than that, post 200 is awesome (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

learn when to use focus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)