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post Nov 18 2012, 10:44
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QUOTE(varst @ Nov 18 2012, 04:55) *

Don't worry, I start meleeing with ~0 proficiency at around 300. You don't even need one ethereal estoc (since there isn't that much advantage between piercing/void damage). Start with plate of protection, then gradually change to power of slaughter when you get more mitigation through proficiency.

I'll keep that in mind and check what my best protection plate is (which probably isn't very good... will probably have to make some credits and buy stuff). My shield armor is probably better, but I'd have to go check so I'll do it in the morning. My heavy prof is 170 and two-hand is 190, so not starting from scratch but not great either.


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I think it's the reason why fenrir's popular. On the other hand, heimdall's also popular because
- efficiency against FSM
- good at normal crysfest grinding
- great cure boost

I have both sets and use them in different situations.

This. Although I don't have Fenrir. With my Heimdall set cure1 will usually heal me completely, which is terrific since it's faster than cure2 and costs a whole lot less mp-wise. Blasting through FSM is also a nice perk.
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post Nov 18 2012, 10:53
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Don't forget the schoolgirls (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif).

Well, elemental is probably more efficient if you want to use T1s for some reason/need ~2 spells to kill a wave, meaning the second spell proc becoming lost is a non-issue and you can have overall greater damage than with mix-and-matching phase by mix-and-matching gossamer and phase(as the gossamer boosts 2 element). For pure killing speed, I'd wage elec beating holy due the unholy monsters. Last but not least, don't forget the price!(though that is probably a non-issue for somebody close to 300, I'm sure you have a hundred million lying around somewhere to buy a legendary set).

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post Nov 18 2012, 12:02
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QUOTE(Lement @ Nov 18 2012, 14:53) *

... Last but not least, don't forget the price!(though that is probably a non-issue for somebody close to 300, I'm sure you have a hundred million lying around somewhere to buy a legendary set).

ohoh, I must find this "somewhere" with my millions in it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Nov 18 2012, 12:24
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QUOTE(irvin123455 @ Nov 18 2012, 11:02) *

ohoh, I must find this "somewhere" with my millions in it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I have to look for my millions as well... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)



What's the best staff for a heimdall set? Katalox of Heimdall or Destruction?

And what's the best one for a fenrir set?
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post Nov 18 2012, 12:43
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Nov 18 2012, 18:24) *

I have to look for my millions as well... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
What's the best staff for a heimdall set? Katalox of Heimdall or Destruction?

And what's the best one for a fenrir set?


It depends on the task.
If you're fighting on high difficulty which requires alternative casts between holy/dark spells, then Destruction is better as it boosts both types of damage.
If you're fighting on low to medium difficulty setting, then it maybe better to use heimdall/fenrir/heaven-sent/demon-fiend staff for the extra damage boost in that particular spell type.
Whether to use EDB staff or prof. staff depends on how much EDB you have from your armor vs your proficiency.
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post Nov 18 2012, 13:04
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mantra: the destro/prof suffixes are about equal for single element with element lagging a bit behind, so it all really depends on the individual staff. Heimdall does provide you more cure while destro gives more damage to both types, though.EDIT: Oh yeah, if you get sth worth forging/IWing Destro benefits from archmage more while heimdall /fenrir bindings cost a magnitude less than destruction bindings, despite the phase needing those too.

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post Nov 18 2012, 13:12
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Okay, I want to be able to mage or melee just by changing equipment sets, what's the best way to allocate my primary attributes for this? All even? Str=Dex=Agi=End=Int=Wis? Here's what my attributes are at now:

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Can someone who does both tell me what they do?
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post Nov 18 2012, 13:35
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Nov 18 2012, 19:12) *

Okay, I want to be able to mage or melee just by changing equipment sets, what's the best way to allocate my primary attributes for this? All even? Str=Dex=Agi=End=Int=Wis? Here's what my attributes are at now:

Can someone who does both tell me what they do?


Just keep them balanced. Stat from equips will easily make the total stats unbalanced, so adjusting stats through EXP is quite....futile.
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post Nov 18 2012, 13:47
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QUOTE(omgwtflolfaggot @ Nov 17 2012, 21:19) *

Most people at level 100 don't have anywhere near max proficiencies, so it would be closer to 30/20 = 1.5 mp/turn compared to 90/80 = 1.125 mp/turn.

if you want to calculate the limit of this, the ratio would be: (cost / duration)
lim (level -> inf) { (level * 30 / 100) / (20 + level * 20 / 100) }
which just comes out to 3/2, the initial ratio considering no proficiencies at level 100.
The higher level you are, the less your proficiencies have effect.

However, stats themselves become much, much cheaper (relatively) the higher level you are. You will be able to support a much larger mana pool with just wisdom/int (not to mention equipment bonuses if you are using light/cloth), so in the end, higher levels win out based off of just stats.

Also, at higher levels it's a bit expected that you earned some Hath and bought some perks.
Rainbow Aura and IA2+ really helps with mana management.

QUOTE(fishinsea @ Nov 17 2012, 21:58) *

Ignore the BT part for now, do them on whatever difficulty that lets you finish them using almost all your potions (which should all be mana)

Is IA1 for haste even worth it? Same mana cost/turn and cast time for haste is unnoticable... only spark looks significantly better but you don't want spark on for the first half of an arena/IW anyways.

Spark of life really benefits from being in a IA slot, since if it does it's job, you don't get it's full duration.
So the more it goes off, the more you have to recast it and cost/turn goes up.
While it's still the same cost/turn in a IA slot, no matter how often it goes off.
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:07
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When do you get access to the monster lab? I keep getting crystals for it, but when I click on it, its just a blank screen. I thought I had to get a chaos token first for it to pop up, but just now I found a chaos token and went there, and it still isn't showing anything. I'm lvl 30 at the moment.


(also, thank you guys for your previous answers, didn't want to make a post just for a thank you since by the time i saw the answers the topic had moved forward a bit)

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post Nov 18 2012, 14:14
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QUOTE(galdon @ Nov 18 2012, 04:07) *

When do you get access to the monster lab? I keep getting crystals for it, but when I click on it, its just a blank screen. I thought I had to get a chaos token first for it to pop up, but just now I found a chaos token and went there, and it still isn't showing anything. I'm lvl 30 at the moment.


Did you unlock a monster slot? The first slot costs just one Chaos Token, I think. Once you unlock a slot you'll be able to create a monster.
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:16
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QUOTE(Lement @ Nov 18 2012, 17:04) *

mantra: the destro/prof suffixes are about equal for single element with element lagging a bit behind, so it all really depends on the individual staff. Heimdall does provide you more cure while destro gives more damage to both types, though.EDIT: Oh yeah, if you get sth worth forging/IWing Destro benefits from archmage more while heimdall /fenrir bindings cost a magnitude less than destruction bindings, despite the phase needing those too.

mantra/irvin: *Critical irony detect failure detecter, er, not detected. Irony will now shut down*

*Lement uses Irony.
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:18
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QUOTE(n125 @ Nov 18 2012, 06:14) *

Did you unlock a monster slot? The first slot costs just one Chaos Token, I think. Once you unlock a slot you'll be able to create a monster.

I'm not sure where else to go to unlock the slot. I found the chaos token to buy a slot with but it just says 'used to unlock slots in the monster lab' in the description. The monster lab though is just an empty blank page.
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:30
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QUOTE(galdon @ Nov 18 2012, 14:18) *

I'm not sure where else to go to unlock the slot. I found the chaos token to buy a slot with but it just says 'used to unlock slots in the monster lab' in the description. The monster lab though is just an empty blank page.

Look for the yellow thingy in the Monster Lab page
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:39
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Yeah, it confused me because the page looks like this: [img820.imageshack.us] Screenshot

Apparently the buttons are just off the bottom of the screen. XD

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post Nov 18 2012, 14:50
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QUOTE(galdon @ Nov 18 2012, 14:39) *

Yeah, it confused me because the page looks like this: [img820.imageshack.us] Screenshot

Apparently the buttons are just off the bottom of the screen. XD

Set the custom font if that is what making you to unsee the button
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:51
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QUOTE(galdon @ Nov 18 2012, 12:39) *

Yeah, it confused me because the page looks like this: [img820.imageshack.us] Screenshot

Apparently the buttons are just off the bottom of the screen. XD


looks like you are using a bad font / size or something
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:55
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Thats the only page in the whole game that gives me that problem. I have to scroll down below the screen to see the buttons on that one, but all the other pages they fit on the page fine XD
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post Nov 18 2012, 14:58
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Nov 18 2012, 11:24) *

What's the best staff for a heimdall set? Katalox of Heimdall or Destruction?

And what's the best one for a fenrir set?

The best possibility is a Hallowed/Demonic Katalox of Fenrir/Heimdall (one that has prefix for one element and suffix for the other). You'd want one with suffix for the element you use more since the +edb can go higher from suffix than from prefix.
If you go for forging every stat up to the max (including 100% +mdb), a destruction staff might get higher damage in both elements, haven't calculated that far.

Barring that, what varst said.
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post Nov 18 2012, 15:34
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This is my Heimdall set

Exquisite Katalox Staff of Heimdall
Superior Phase Cap of Heimdall
Magnificent Phase Robe of Heimdall
Superior Phase Gloves of Heimdall
Fine Phase Pants of Heimdall
Superior Phase Shoes of Heimdall

This is my Fenrir set

Superior Katalox Staff of Destruction
Superior Phase Cap of Fenrir
Fine Phase Robe of Fenrir
Superior Phase Gloves of Fenrir
Exquisite Phase Pants of Fenrir
Superior Phase Shoes of Heimdall

These are all pieces from drops. That's why I don't have shoes of Fenrir yet.

Which pieces are crap and what should I look out for to improve? Better PAB? Better EDB?
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