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Sep 9 2010, 23:46
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 9 2010, 08:37)  Higher Agility
People care about agility? QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 9 2010, 08:37)  First one has significantly higher Acc. Bonus (although I'd have to have more information about your overall accuracy and equipment to judge how important this is)
I have a feeling that accuracy calculations are seriously wrong because I miss much more than the numbers say I should. I think I should miss less than 1% of the time which would translate to 1 miss per 11 rounds of IW which is much less than I seem to. QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 9 2010, 08:37)  I'd estimate your magic rating to be somewhere around 650? 669. QUOTE(Sayo Aisaka @ Sep 9 2010, 12:58)  Not if you already have non-zero proficiency. If your total prof is around 350, you're already doing 1+350/200 = 2.75 times base damage. An extra 3.5% of base damage is really only an increase of 1.27%.
I didn't say it was an effective 3.5% increase. I didn't say that because I didn't want to confuse anybody. Long story short: People seem to agree with what I thought.
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Sep 10 2010, 16:51
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HybridGuardian
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Is it worth fighting the higher arenas, if it costs me items? (The second/third time etc.) I usually only go down until Dark Skies, as this is the last one I can beat whitout items... But I was thinking if the gains could be worth investing some... and if they are what should be the max to invest in?
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Sep 10 2010, 17:11
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Conquest101
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Yes, definitely. The increased chance for equipment, and subsequently the chance for an actually GOOD piece of equipment is worth the minor investment of items. Not to mention that arena battles give you a decent amount of credits as well.
I wouldn't use elixers or any of the special items obviously. Not for subsequent runs at least. Anything below that is fair game in my opinion. Use whatever drops the most for you. Pretty much all my drops are Greater, Superior, Godly anyway, so that's what I use. Items aren't really important as you get to higher levels anyway. They're just credit fodder for me. I technically could clear all my arenas with no item use, but it's faster for me to burn a few draughts, so I do. Time > items.
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Sep 10 2010, 17:28
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 10 2010, 17:11)  I wouldn't use elixers or any of the special items obviously. Not for subsequent runs at least. Anything below that is fair game in my opinion. Use whatever drops the most for you. Pretty much all my drops are Greater, Superior, Godly anyway, so that's what I use. Items aren't really important as you get to higher levels anyway. They're just credit fodder for me. I technically could clear all my arenas with no item use, but it's faster for me to burn a few draughts, so I do. Time > items.
Yeah, I pretty much reached that level already... I never use anything below greater, except for the average mana potions which I save to throw out all at once in many 1 round cakefests to train deprecating. Thanks for anwsering my question! I'll try to fight them all down to the max arena level available then. (Twisted plots) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Sep 11 2010, 18:35
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Xsune
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What kind of build/gear would you need to be able to clear all the arenas without items? o.O
I try to clear all the arenas I can for my everyday, but the last 2-3 always require items, I just take way too much damage, and have to cast cure a lot so that by the time I reach the 2nd last level I'm pretty low on mana and have to burn a pot and sometimes an hp pot as well because the mobs hit so hard :S
Oh, I'm playing as a mage character right now.
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Sep 11 2010, 18:51
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Death Grunty
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Both melee as well as mages can do that at high levels. You just need patience cuz you won't be able to at your level.
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Sep 11 2010, 18:51
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hentai_fusion
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higher hp, higher mp, higher barrier rating and higher shield rating so that it does not hurt that much.
higher magic attack and aoe so that you can kill all of them before they even have a chance of attacking you.
the spell Shield is also pretty useful. mine is absorbing 10.2 damage per attack with a Supportive proficiency of 24.98.
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Sep 11 2010, 19:24
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Xsune
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So I need to be a higher level, alright thanks lol.
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Sep 12 2010, 06:37
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skyfoda
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Should I spend Ability points on Shield being a melee char?
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Sep 12 2010, 06:44
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QUOTE(skyfoda @ Sep 11 2010, 21:37)  Should I spend Ability points on Shield being a melee char?
Yes. Supportive Proficiency is important for everyone.
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Sep 12 2010, 07:12
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QUOTE(HybridGuardian @ Sep 10 2010, 14:51)  Is it worth fighting the higher arenas, if it costs me items? (The second/third time etc.) I usually only go down until Dark Skies, as this is the last one I can beat whitout items... But I was thinking if the gains could be worth investing some... and if they are what should be the max to invest in?
The exp mod of Twisted Plots is x1.0 and the exp mod of The Trio And the Tree is x2.0 When you start doing them on higher Difficulty levels you get great exp and its well worth the cost of the items it takes to clear them. Items are part of the game, not using any may be fun but I'd much rather burn up 13 godly items on a harder level doing it fast then not using any items at all and taking hours. It shouldn't be any problem for you to find items to do your daily arenas by doing 1-2 item words even if you sell most of them for credits. So its well worth it doing them. If you don't have much time its still worth doing the arenas on normal
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Sep 12 2010, 22:14
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Stoiki2000
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Any good X-item ?
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Sep 12 2010, 22:22
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QUOTE(Stoiki2000 @ Sep 12 2010, 13:14)  Any good X-item ?
It isn't necessary to get it immediately, but, yeah, you should probably get it eventually.
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Sep 13 2010, 18:03
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shiki666
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I'm getting read to fight Konata and the other 3 RoB bosses but at my level I want to know what you think of the equipment and items I'm bringing in. I going to use a Rapier plus Dagger Dual Hand style. I'm wearing all cloth. I have 26.7% evade and 26% parry with this gear.
I can have 7 items So I was thinking of 1 Scroll of Gods, 3 Health Elixirs and 3 Mana Elixirs. I also have a Soul Stone, Last Elixir and Bubblegum I've saved. I have Bewildered, Weaken, Shield, Regen, Poison and Cure spells. Can someone tell me what their strategy is like to fight these 4 bosses at level 75? I'm willing to spend whatever is necessary since I only have 9 tokens and I can't afford to lose a single battle.
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Sep 13 2010, 18:11
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Death Grunty
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 13 2010, 10:03)  I'm getting read to fight Konata and the other 3 RoB bosses but at my level I want to know what you think of the equipment and items I'm bringing in. I going to use a Rapier plus Dagger Dual Hand style. I'm wearing all cloth. I have 26.7% evade and 26% parry with this gear.
I can have 7 items So I was thinking of 1 Scroll of Gods, 3 Health Elixirs and 3 Mana Elixirs. I also have a Soul Stone, Last Elixir and Bubblegum I've saved. I have Bewildered, Weaken, Shield, Regen, Poison and Cure spells. Can someone tell me what their strategy is like to fight these 4 bosses at level 75? I'm willing to spend whatever is necessary since I only have 9 tokens and I can't afford to lose a single battle.
Penetrated Armor -> Holy AoE spell
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Sep 13 2010, 18:31
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QUOTE(Death Grunty @ Sep 13 2010, 18:11)  Penetrated Armor -> Holy AoE spell
What do you mean? I don't understand. I don't have Holy Spells and my Holy rating is 0. My elemental Proficiency is also only around 26. Do you mean I should do the Holy AoE just for Konata or for all 4 bosses? On the wiki their weaknesses were not Holy.
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Sep 13 2010, 18:37
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(Death Grunty @ Sep 13 2010, 09:11)  Penetrated Armor -> Holy AoE spell
Not against Konata. She's weak to Wind not Holy like the other 3. Also only do this if you are actually a mage or hybrid and have decent proficiency. Otherwise it's not worth the mana. The most safe route would be to Weaken/Bewilder/Poison her (at the least), cast Poison with PA in effect, but always have it in effect irregardless and just hit. You don't need Health elixers. Waste of a slot. I can't remember exactly how long it took using melee way back when I did it, but I believe she got off 2 spirit attacks against me. So bring 2 scrolls of the Gods to be safe. Rest just bring mana elixers. You can speed up the process with AOE spells after proc'ing PA if that's possible for you. Otherwise, you can be more safe and use Slow/Shadow Veil/Haste in addition to Weaken and Bewilder. You should be using Regen irregardless though. Gauge out your damage rate vs mana consumption early and adjust accordingly if you need to. It shouldn't be a problem. I think I used like 3 godly mana draughts way back when. Keep in mind Mikuru is a decent amount harder than Konata, and Ryouko and Yuki are quite a bit harder than Mikuru. This post has been edited by Conquest101: Sep 13 2010, 18:38
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Sep 13 2010, 18:37
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Death Grunty
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 13 2010, 10:31)  What do you mean? I don't understand. I don't have Holy Spells and my Holy rating is 0. My elemental Proficiency is also only around 26. Do you mean I should do the Holy AoE just for Konata or for all 4 bosses? On the wiki their weaknesses were not Holy.
You're level 75. Check your Abilities. Tier 5 (Unlocked at level 40) Condemn and Purge. You should max it. Condemn, Purge & Redemption (11 AP) Penetrated Armor -> Holy AoE (in your case Purge) makes them so much easier. Conquest is right though, this is only good for the 3 legendaries (Mikuru, Ryokou and Yuki). (But you don't need high proficiency.) This post has been edited by Death Grunty: Sep 13 2010, 18:44
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Sep 13 2010, 19:02
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Make sure that you could proc PA almost all the time, you badly need it for doing damage. Use 2 Rapier VS Mikuru. She weaks against Piercing Damage. If you really want to win on first try, bring a lot of Mana Elixirs and have some way to survive Spirit attack (Scroll of god/avater or mit gear), you SHOULD win no matter how you fight them. Though I don't think this strategy will work on low LV char like you, but at the moment, I found out that the best way to meleeing the harder legendary (Ryoko, Yuki) is to abuse Infusion of divinity, it give you ~3x damage output. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 33 2 Your offhand hits Yuki Nagato for 125 slashing damage. 33 1 You hit Yuki Nagato for 305 piercing damage. 44 2 Your offhand hits Yuki Nagato for 434 holy damage. 44 1 You hit Yuki Nagato for 987 holy damage. 43 3 You evade the attack from Yuki Nagato. 43 2 You gain the effect Infused Divinity. 43 1 You use Infusion of Divinity. This post has been edited by buktore: Sep 13 2010, 19:07
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Sep 13 2010, 21:20
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shiki666
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Thanks for the advice everyone! I won against all the bosses except that bitch Mikuru! She caught me with my pants down just when my Scroll of Gods expired and I was just a turn away from using my second scroll!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) My strategy was mostly what you guys suggested, I used all Mana Elixirs and saved 2 Scroll of Gods as a reserve. I used the 1st scroll when their SP was about 50-60% and kept my HP up to the max most of the time. I used my spirit attack when the enemy health bar was all black and that finished the job. Konata was pretty easy as long as HP is maxed and all the deprecating/support spells were cast. For the other 3 I used some Holy Purge to chip away life faster and it wasn't that effective since sometimes they resisted the spell but it did do the job a little quicker before my Scroll of Gods expired. I didn't use that effectively against Mikuru which is why I learned a painful lesson from that loss. For the last boss Yuki Nagato I saved a Last Elixir and a Bubblegum which was spectacular. I timed the Bubblegum to a PA proc and just did Holy for 6-7 turns and it was like 3-4K damage each turn which was more than my SP attack! I found it worked wonders for me to use the Special Potions as a trump card against the toughest boss. Can someone tell me which battle area has the highest chance to drop a RoB token? Is it fighting in Arena, Grindfest or Item World? What difficulty should I try for? Does that increase the token drop chances? Is there some training I can do to get more tokens? I just need 1 more Blood token to finish the job and get my revenge on Mikuru! I really wish I could buy that one token right now!
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