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post May 30 2012, 05:45
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I somehow ended up writing this whole thing, which is longer than I thought... I might as well post it here for whoever cares to read it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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I see some people use a script to generate a chart that look like this:

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However, take note that using this style of chart as a way to estimates how good the gear is has a tendency to mislead people to think their gear sucks even though that may not be the case.

How? ... Well, most people will 'use' the chart by this process: look at certain 'useful' stats and compared, look at every stats and compares how much difference each stats of the gear are in percentage with that of chart (which the script will automatically show to you), unconsciously average all available/useful stats and compare the result to the 'maxed' stats, and finally, make a conclusion by infer how 'good' the gear is based on the difference.

This could mislead people with an exquisite gear with, say, ~70% of the 'maxed' exquisite stats shows in the chart, to think "my exquisite have stats of just 3/4 of the 'good' exquisite, therefore my exquisite is kinda meh" ... This is false; if the overall stats of the exquisite are averaged at more than 80-90% of the chart's number, then it wouldn't be 'exquisite' anymore, it would get bumped to magni or legendary instead, with even more stats.

That's why most of the Legendary drop has most, if not all of its stat, to be very close to the maxed value on the legendary scale; the very reason why it's a legendary is because it has very high stats on average from the start, otherwise it won't be 'legendary' drop.

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post May 30 2012, 06:17
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QUOTE(buktore @ May 29 2012, 23:45) *

I somehow ended up writing this whole thing, which is longer than I thought... I might as well post it here for whoever cares to read it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

.....

I see some people use a script to generate a chart that look like this:

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However, take note that using this style of chart as a way to estimates how good the gear is has a tendency to mislead people to think their gear sucks even though that may not be the case.

How? ... Well, most people will 'use' the chart by this process: look at certain 'useful' stats and compared, look at every stats and compares how much difference each stats of the gear are in percentage with that of chart (which the script will automatically show to you), unconsciously average all available/useful stats and compare the result to the 'maxed' stats, and finally, make a conclusion by infer how 'good' the gear is based on the difference.

This could mislead people with an exquisite gear with, say, ~70% of the 'maxed' exquisite stats shows in the chart, to think "my exquisite have stats of just 3/4 of the 'good' exquisite, therefore my exquisite is kinda meh" ... This is false; if the overall stats of the exquisite are averaged at more than 80-90% of the chart's number, then it wouldn't be 'exquisite' anymore, it would be a magni or legendary instead.

That's why most of the Legendary drop has most, if not all of its stat, to be very close to the maxed value on the legendary scale; the very reason why it's a legendary is because it has very high stats on average from the start, otherwise it won't be 'legendary' drop.

Got to love disillusionment of equipment drops. Legendaries are pretty good in their own right, but are not usually what people would use normally. Players want to have high expectations of the items they get. Otherwise, they usually end up in the Bazaar.
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post May 30 2012, 06:23
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All of the useful Legendary I've seen so far have amazing stats. The problem is that not all Legendary drops are the useful kind; in fact, most of them are not the useful kind...

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post May 30 2012, 06:24
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The problem is that not all drops are the useful kind; in fact, nearly all of them are not the useful kind...

FTFY

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post May 30 2012, 07:22
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That's why I would like something which just shows the max base on superior level. And stat better than that is good enough to beat 99% of the total equips.
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post May 30 2012, 10:02
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Is there a way to check my exp bonus?
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post May 30 2012, 10:15
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The only way i know of is to calculate it yourself, assuming the equation on the wiki is correct
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post May 30 2012, 13:23
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QUOTE(varst @ May 30 2012, 04:10) *

As for Trio, you should be able to finish that on normal difficulty at your level. If you can't, something has gone seriously wrong in your build.
Fox/owl build isn't that good now, so you should try collecting some good EDB phases if you want to play on high difficulty. Probably heimdall or fenrir as you're going to face EOD soon.


so... anything wrong with my build?

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any specific strategy to clear all 100 rounds of trio?


any specific strategy to kill all 4 goddesses?

like... cast sleep on all 4, then use single target fire on Yggdrasil to kill it first, before using the appropriate single target spells on the remaining 3...
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post May 30 2012, 13:41
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ May 30 2012, 19:23) *

so... anything wrong with my build?

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any specific strategy to clear all 100 rounds of trio?
any specific strategy to kill all 4 goddesses?

like... cast sleep on all 4, then use single target fire on Yggdrasil to kill it first, before using the appropriate single target spells on the remaining 3...


I don't find any particular problem in your build if you start at normal difficulty. And at normal difficulty you shouldn't require any particular strategy....what's the major problem that your facing? Insufficient MP/SP? Unable to kill trio? Or any other problems?

The first 99 rounds should be routine. At round 100 you should probably cast one weaken and imperil on trio and tree, then start spamming AOE fire on tree. Then rotate among cold/wind/elec AOE spells on trio with specific weakness. Shouldn't be that hard...

If you still can't finish that, you should probably use a full suit of EDB phases of a single element. Fire/cold/wind/elec are cheaper but less powerful, while holy/dark are more expanisve but has great power output.
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post May 30 2012, 14:49
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How does the ability x-item and x-attack work? I mean the description confuses me because it says "our skills at using items are boosted, decreasing usage time by 25%" so our health pot/any kind of pot only stays recovering hp/etc for 7.5/8 turns instead of 10 turns? Isn't that worse? How is that beneficial in anyway or am I misunderstanding something here? I don't understand x-attack either, each attack takes 1 turn so how do you have 25% less of a turn to have .75 of a turn...
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post May 30 2012, 14:52
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haven't tried trios yet... just wanted to gather as much intel as possible before attempting it...


last time, i remember reading something about Yggdrasil healing the other 3 when it dies, while the other 3 will cast different buffs on the rest when they die.

anyone remember where is it? i don't think it is in the wiki...
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post May 30 2012, 14:54
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QUOTE(hehsy5sy5 @ May 30 2012, 20:49) *

How does the ability x-item and x-attack work? I mean the description confuses me because it says "our skills at using items are boosted, decreasing usage time by 25%" so our health pot/any kind of pot only stays recovering hp/etc for 7.5/8 turns instead of 10 turns? Isn't that worse? How is that beneficial in anyway or am I misunderstanding something here? I don't understand x-attack either, each attack takes 1 turn so how do you have 25% less of a turn to have .75 of a turn...


x-item and x-attack increases your action speed...

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Action_Speed
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post May 30 2012, 14:56
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ May 30 2012, 20:52) *

haven't tried trios yet... just wanted to gather as much intel as possible before attempting it...
last time, i remember reading something about Yggdrasil healing the other 3 when it dies, while the other 3 will cast different buffs on the rest when they die.


If you're playing on Normal, don't bother.
They all die within 2-3 spells.

Edit: If you're Mage, kill Yggdrasil first to remove the shield that it casts on the others.

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How does the ability x-item and x-attack work? I mean the description confuses me because it says "our skills at using items are boosted, decreasing usage time by 25%" so our health pot/any kind of pot only stays recovering hp/etc for 7.5/8 turns instead of 10 turns? Isn't that worse? How is that beneficial in anyway or am I misunderstanding something here? I don't understand x-attack either, each attack takes 1 turn so how do you have 25% less of a turn to have .75 of a turn...


You move faster, enemies get less turns than you = less damage taken.

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post May 30 2012, 15:05
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ May 30 2012, 20:52) *

haven't tried trios yet... just wanted to gather as much intel as possible before attempting it...
last time, i remember reading something about Yggdrasil healing the other 3 when it dies, while the other 3 will cast different buffs on the rest when they die.

anyone remember where is it? i don't think it is in the wiki...


Good to know you haven't tried that yet. It's almost impossible to lose against trio on normal difficulty...

And yeah, Yggdrasil's skill is healing Trio, so you should kill it first

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post May 30 2012, 15:16
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Thanks for the info on x-item/x-attack, they seem to be useful after all o.o

What level is preferable to do the ring of bloods? If I fight them, which boss(es) do I fight? And at what difficulty?

As a sample size to my strength atm, I'm lvl 80, can clear most lower level(lvl1-8) arenas on iwbth/battle toads, the mid-tier(lvl 10-40) arenas on nintendo/hell/nightmare, and the higher level arenas(lvl 50/60/70/80) on normal(with ease)/hard because I don't want to spend lots of effort and time going through 20-40 rounds of higher difficulty for each arena when I can 1 hit them on normal/hard and only have to pot every 10 rounds and finish it fast. Even if I took the time and effort though, I can probably only do heroic(maybe nightmare) at most on the higher level arenas anyways imo.

And I should add that I'm using up most or all of my pots(8 slots) for higher difficulty (mid-tier) arenas, only time I don't use up all my pots are when I'm on normal/hard/sometimes heroic mode. Using a 2h scythe with bleed with all heavy armor.

Thanks beforehand.

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post May 30 2012, 17:12
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how much damage does Orbital Friendship Cannon do?
Is it worth getting it?
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post May 30 2012, 18:10
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how much damage does Orbital Friendship Cannon do?
Is it worth getting it?


Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Naga Viper for 361850 void damage.
Mithra has been defeated.
Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Mithra for 345944 void damage.
You use Orbital Friendship Cannon.

Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Ouzai for 493674 void damage.
Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Maid Guy for 508053 void damage.
Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Boa Marigorudo for 577086 void damage.
Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Need0214 for 615558 void damage.
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post May 30 2012, 19:11
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1 10 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Wretched Egg for 8712 void damage.
1 9 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Boa Marigorudo for 11047 void damage.
1 8 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Noihara Himari for 15939 void damage.
1 7 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Cbx2006 for 9747 void damage.
1 6 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Plue for 17158 void damage.
1 5 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Prince Levistus for 18897 void damage.
1 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Holy Bell for 16287 void damage.
1 3 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Miyako for 16249 void damage.
1 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Janna for 22594 void damage.

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QUOTE(Tiap @ May 30 2012, 17:11) *

1 10 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Wretched Egg for 8712 void damage.
1 9 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Boa Marigorudo for 11047 void damage.
1 8 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Noihara Himari for 15939 void damage.
1 7 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Cbx2006 for 9747 void damage.
1 6 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Plue for 17158 void damage.
1 5 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Prince Levistus for 18897 void damage.
1 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Holy Bell for 16287 void damage.
1 3 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Miyako for 16249 void damage.
1 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Janna for 22594 void damage.

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mine was with melee & 280 OC. I don't think I had any spells on them. I'll see what I do with mage gear.
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post May 30 2012, 19:28
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At what level should I be starting to play in IWBTH. Because I'm only able to make it to round 9 or so in IWBTH.
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