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May 28 2012, 19:21
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Coma
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QUOTE(LipLol @ May 28 2012, 18:56)  Hi,
Thank you for the people who helped me in my transition into a mage.
First, stat priority: WIS > INT > END > AGI > STR > DEX Second, you will need to get Supportive and Curative prof as high as possible, also Staff prof Get Weaken, Shadow Veil, Regen, Haste, Imperil, Spirit Shield. Blind and Silence are optional, but not required. Dont put points into Resistance, it is fairly situational Complement spells is your main damage source, via triggering Proc Explosion, i.e. cast Elec spells to trigger proc, then cast Fire spell to explode. Popular choices are: Divine/Dark, Fire/Elec, or Wind/Elec. 4 element spell chain combo is also viable, but cost too many ability points and not many monsters will survive 4 elements, even in a Nightmare Round. Dont use Soul until you get Spirit Shield and when spirit point is in red zone
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May 28 2012, 19:24
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varst
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QUOTE(LipLol @ May 29 2012, 00:56)  Hi, Thank you for the people who helped me in my transition into a mage. Here are my current stats again: Character Page[ gyazo.com] http://gyazo.com/3d1b166b51ddc72fb8faca2d50bb5104I want to convert today so I will reset my Abilities. I know that I will get Arcane focus when I get to level 130. But, what other abilities should I get to kill the gods in the Ring of Blood (namely, Real Life, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Flying Spaghetti Monster)? Abilities Page[ gyazo.com] http://gyazo.com/ed3db0237e9d91356545f79a9865ddc1HV Bestiaryhttp://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Bestiary1) I was told about complement elements. So, I should get something like fire and cold? Or, which two elements are the best in your opinion? 2) And then, I should get 'supportive spells' like Spark of Life, Cure I and Cure II. I think those three are enough for support to spend my Ability Points on, right? 3) Then, I should get 'deprecating spells'. So, which one are the necessary ones? 4) Lastly, I shouldn't spend any of my Ability Points on anything to do with Soul, right? 5) Any other advice? Thanks for all advices! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) PS. I don't get some of the abbreviations like EDB. >.< 1. You choice, but note that most people will transfer to holy/dark combo because of its damage output. There isn't that much difference on those elemental combos. 2. About abilities You don't need SP tank (yet) and OC tanks, so there's some spared AP. First, pick the spells. You probably need purge and banish (holy 1/2), then the highest elemental spell for every tier, then the complement spell tier 1. You don't need soul spell yet. You'll also need the dark spell at lv. 150. Then supportive spells. Haste, shadow veil and spark are must. You can also pick protection, but haste + shadow veil will be your priority in battles. Then deprecating spells. Imperil, silence, weaken are must. Slow will make you much better against gods, but that's it, so it's optional. Lastly, curative spells. Regen 1/2, cure 1/2. Train some AP if it's insufficient. Meanwhile, keep filling your HP/MP tanks. As for gods...you need the respective spells which they're weak against. Banish for FSM, pestilence for IPU. For RL you can use magic missile. Also use the appropriate clothes to increase the damage output: heaven-sent/heimdall for FSM, demon-fiend/fenrir for IPU, elementalist for RL (if you choose to use magic missile). Phase may be expansive, so you can get those gossamer first. You should also get a staff for this purpose. It's probably easier to get an ebony staff of destruction if you don't have a decent one: not the best choice, but you don't need to buy 3 staffs. BTW, what's the armor you plan on using normally?
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May 28 2012, 19:34
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varst
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 29 2012, 01:08)  I am a Phase Fox/Owl mage (cant afford Heimdall/Fenrir), and my record is IWBTH 28 grindfest rounds. I use Haste, Regen II, Shadow Veil, and Spirit Shield, cast Weaken, chaining Divine/Forbidden spells, and ET my mana back from the sole survivor (with Weaken and Silence).
Since I have sucky gears and I barely nearly at 30th round, I assumed mages with full Fenrir/Heimdall set should have higher record.
You should try that after lv 200. And it's ineffective if you need to spend 1-2 minutes per round just doing all those things. QUOTE(Coma @ May 29 2012, 01:21)  Second, you will need to get Supportive and Curative prof as high as possible, also Staff prof
Get Weaken, Shadow Veil, Regen, Haste, Imperil, Spirit Shield. Blind and Silence are optional, but not required. Dont put points into Resistance, it is fairly situational
you don't need to get those prof that high; 50-75% should be sufficient. (Too much time required to make it as high as possible) And staff prof isn't that important; you can train that by casting magic missile in battles. Also, he's a lv. 130 guy, so he don't have SP shield yet. He needs silence and spark (and probably slow). This post has been edited by varst: May 28 2012, 19:34
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May 28 2012, 19:49
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 28 2012, 17:07)  It does make me wonder how people are able to survive DwD on BT/IWBTH just to get the title and a special skill. So melee users have a better chance to survive on IWBTH in general compared to mages?
mages kill all the monsters in a few turns then when needed ET to regain mana on the schoolgirl. they take longer to kill and you can get more mana from them vs normal monsters. If you want to melee them you cant run out of mana. High WIS, mana regen that is higher then IA cost per turn. if each round takes 200 turns and you use 1-2 points of mana each turn there is no way you can go 100 rounds without running out.
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May 28 2012, 19:56
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rpgman1
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ May 28 2012, 13:49)  mages kill all the monsters in a few turns then when needed ET to regain mana on the schoolgirl. they take longer to kill and you can get more mana from them vs normal monsters.
If you want to melee them you cant run out of mana. High WIS, mana regen that is higher then IA cost per turn. if each round takes 200 turns and you use 1-2 points of mana each turn there is no way you can go 100 rounds without running out.
I see. Looks like I need to figure out how to ET effectively to get more mana out of my round. Seems I've wasted too much mana early on.
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May 28 2012, 20:41
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 28 2012, 17:56)  I see. Looks like I need to figure out how to ET effectively to get more mana out of my round. Seems I've wasted too much mana early on.
well the easiest thing to do is cast a tier 1 spell first to get CM then cast your 2nd spell on that monster for half the cost. when I was doing elemental spells I would start with cyclone then cast chain or WoT. casting 2 low cost spells vs casting a tier 3 and then something to finish things off.
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May 28 2012, 20:47
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buktore
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Silly mages and their 680 different battle routines.
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May 28 2012, 20:50
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varst
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Same to those silly melees and their 860 different battle suits (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 28 2012, 20:55
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MidNightPass
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May 28 2012, 21:03
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rpgman1
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ May 28 2012, 14:41)  well the easiest thing to do is cast a tier 1 spell first to get CM then cast your 2nd spell on that monster for half the cost.
when I was doing elemental spells I would start with cyclone then cast chain or WoT. casting 2 low cost spells vs casting a tier 3 and then something to finish things off.
That would explain the investment of AP into training then. Guess I need to invest some training into AP. The right equipment for the right type of battle. "Dress for success".
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May 28 2012, 21:16
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Kaosumx
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QUOTE(varst @ May 28 2012, 14:50)  Same to those silly melees and their 860 different battle suits (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(MidNightPass @ May 28 2012, 14:55)  QUOTE(4EverLost @ May 28 2012, 14:59)  i wouldn't mind having 10 more level of Set Collector oh and maybe 10 more for mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 28 2012, 15:03)  That would explain the investment of AP into training then. Guess I need to invest some training into AP.
The right equipment for the right type of battle. "Dress for success".
I only use 1 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 28 2012, 21:18
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LipLol
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 28 2012, 13:21)  Complement spells is your main damage source, via triggering Proc Explosion, i.e. cast Elec spells to trigger proc, then cast Fire spell to explode. Popular choices are: Divine/Dark, Fire/Elec, or Wind/Elec. 4 element spell chain combo is also viable, but cost too many ability points and not many monsters will survive 4 elements, even in a Nightmare Round. Dont use Soul until you get Spirit Shield and when spirit point is in red zone
Thanks! But, aw, how about Fire/Cold combo? I checked: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage_Types"Searing Skin: The skin of the target has been ignited, causing damage over time. Cold resistance is lowered."Is there an 'explosion' if I proc Searing Skin then use a Cold Spell? (I can't find where to read about 'explosions') QUOTE(varst @ May 28 2012, 13:24)  BTW, what's the armor you plan on using normally?
This is all I got: [ gyazo.com] http://gyazo.com/f1f83c5e1cd12138f690db27b9c52fc7Oh I also have a 'Superior Ebony Staff of Freyr' but it has lower Magic Accuracy Bonus like half the Magic Accuracy Bonus of my 'Fine Katalox Staff of Focus'. Using that equipment set, my Statistics became like this: [ gyazo.com] http://gyazo.com/235a17b44fb0f963333f06246589302cI can get more clothes and staff from offering trophies to the Shrine. But I think that my current Mage equipment set is good enough for my level. Thanks again to both! ^^
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May 28 2012, 21:25
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Kaosumx
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QUOTE(LipLol @ May 28 2012, 15:18)  Is there an 'explosion' if I proc Searing Skin then use a Cold Spell? (I can't find where to read about 'explosions')
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells#Status_EffectsQUOTE I can get more clothes and staff from offering trophies to the Shrine. But I think that my current Mage equipment set is good enough for my level.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Somebody get this kid some new clothes.
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May 28 2012, 21:29
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(LipLol @ May 28 2012, 23:18)  This is all I got: [ gyazo.com] http://gyazo.com/f1f83c5e1cd12138f690db27b9c52fc7Oh I also have a 'Superior Ebony Staff of Freyr' but it has lower Magic Accuracy Bonus like half the Magic Accuracy Bonus of my 'Fine Katalox Staff of Focus'. Using that equipment set, my Statistics became like this: [ gyazo.com] http://gyazo.com/235a17b44fb0f963333f06246589302cI can get more clothes and staff from offering trophies to the Shrine. But I think that my current Mage equipment set is good enough for my level. Thanks again to both! ^^ Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you something. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 28 2012, 21:30
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rpgman1
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QUOTE(Kaosumx @ May 28 2012, 15:25)  Doubtful for me since I'm wearing crummy mage equipment as well. My staff is the only good thing I have right now. The rest is either average or below my level.
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May 28 2012, 21:32
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MidNightPass
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May 28 2012, 21:33
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Kaosumx
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 28 2012, 15:30)  Doubtful for me since I'm wearing crummy mage equipment as well. My staff is the only good thing I have right now. The rest is either average or below my level.
QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ May 28 2012, 15:29)  Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you something. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 28 2012, 21:42
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(LipLol @ May 28 2012, 23:36)  Wow. thank you! I'm using it right now. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'll choose fire/cold combo now. ^^ Guys, somebody give him some decent shoes. I gave him gloves already, but I'm out of shoes. This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: May 28 2012, 21:42
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