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I have reached Level 150, which gain access to the ever useful Regen II. Should I put my AP into Nerf? I already put my AP into Pestilence since I really need to raise my Forbidden prof.

I have reached Level 150, which gain access to the ever useful Regen II. Should I put my AP into Nerf? I already put my AP into Pestilence since I really need to raise my Forbidden prof.

Nerf is useless.

Getting the first 5 levels is relatively cheap (less than a million) and can bring lots of benefits.

I've trained mine up three levels so far, won't be spending any more on it until my Scavenger/Quartermaster is up.

Should I be looking into investing Heimdall/Fenrir equipment or Heaven-sent/Demon-find equipment? They're very popular but very expensive.

I have reached Level 150, which gain access to the ever useful Regen II. Should I put my AP into Nerf? I already put my AP into Pestilence since I really need to raise my Forbidden prof.

Nerf isn't that good after it get nerfed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Should I be looking into investing Heimdall/Fenrir equipment or Heaven-sent/Demon-find equipment? They're very popular but very expensive.

Your ultimate target should always be EDB equip, though most people only have the budget to buy prof equips.

Your ultimate target should always be EDB equip, though most people only have the budget to buy prof equips.

I got plenty of Heaven-sent/Demon-find equipment from item drops, but no Heimdall/Fenrir equipment. The prices going for Heimdall and Fenrir equipment tend to be incredibly expensive while Heaven-sent and Demon-fiend are really cheap. Might as well spend my credits on training Scavenger instead.

Nerf isn't that good after it get nerfed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Good enough to keep you from getting smashed as a mage at the start of rounds with 6+ on IWBTH. I still use it for legendary arenas. Plus, stacking it with Weaken on the 3 legendary rounds of DwD means you don't have to cast Slow or MagNet at all, which slows down ether theft. So X-Nerf still has niche uses at least.

Good enough to keep you from getting smashed as a mage at the start of rounds with 6+ on IWBTH. I still use it for legendary arenas. Plus, stacking it with Weaken on the 3 legendary rounds of DwD means you don't have to cast Slow or MagNet at all, which slows down ether theft. So X-Nerf still has niche uses at least.

Yeah, X-nerf as pretty good as the only AOE deprecating spell. The problem's with single-target nerf; I can't find any proper use besides probably IWBTH legendary arenas. And for 5 AP invested at lv.150, it seems a bit....wasteful.

As for IWBTH....well, I only tried a few times with random encounter, and it can be done without any deprecating spells, so.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
But I guess X-nerf's better, since you can't expect spark to activate every round.

Not so sure about legendary arenas though. Anything but normal difficulty? So it's nerf/X-nerf + weaken + imperil + silence, then start ETing? It's a very good idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (I haven't tried BT/IWBTH DwD yet because it's too tedious)

This post has been edited by varst: May 24 2012, 06:39

Good enough to keep you from getting smashed as a mage at the start of rounds with 6+ on IWBTH. I still use it for legendary arenas. Plus, stacking it with Weaken on the 3 legendary rounds of DwD means you don't have to cast Slow or MagNet at all, which slows down ether theft. So X-Nerf still has niche uses at least.

X-Nerf, yes; Nerf, oh hell no.

For DwD, the dragons' evade and resist chance are ridiculous high, so you would need MagNet to counter them. After that, you would also need at least Silence, Weaken, and/or Blind on them, too. Why cast Nerf and waste the Curse Weaving chance here? Unless your prof is so high that casting 4 de-buffs wont fail, there is no spot for the useless Nerf

This post has been edited by Coma: May 24 2012, 06:29

The dragons are not particularly impressive, they just pack a lot of HP (and the invisible resist proc, but that's what MagNet is for).
Once you have max or neax max Deprecating prof, the chances of getting cockblocked by curse-weaving are pretty slim.

you just have to have close to 300 prof to do it, I still miss casting that crap and mine is near cap.

Yeah, X-nerf as pretty good as the only AOE deprecating spell. The problem's with single-target nerf; I can't find any proper use besides probably IWBTH legendary arenas. And for 5 AP invested at lv.150, it seems a bit....wasteful.

As for IWBTH....well, I only tried a few times with random encounter, and it can be done without any deprecating spells, so.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
But I guess X-nerf's better, since you can't expect spark to activate every round.

Not so sure about legendary arenas though. Anything but normal difficulty? So it's nerf/X-nerf + weaken + imperil + silence, then start ETing? It's a very good idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (I haven't tried BT/IWBTH DwD yet because it's too tedious)

Close, but I don't bother with Silence. Just Nerf + Weaken + Imperil and let Spirit Shield take care of the rest. If you don't like the occasional Soul Harvest regen, then take spirit pots. It's not like mana pots will get you very far on IWBTH legendary arenas, so they are unneeded. Aether + CM + Spirit Stance goes a long way too, so try to do that as much as possible so you don't have to ET as much. Keep Spark on IA and you're pretty much invincible.

X-Nerf, yes; Nerf, oh hell no.

For DwD, the dragons' evade and resist chance are ridiculous high, so you would need MagNet to counter them. After that, you would also need at least Silence, Weaken, and/or Blind on them, too. Why cast Nerf and waste the Curse Weaving chance here? Unless your prof is so high that casting 4 de-buffs wont fail, there is no spot for the useless Nerf

The dragons are the only place in the game you should need MagNet, and only to counter their resists, not to slow them down.


And I almost never get curse-weave failure with 3 spells. MagNet, Weaken, and Imperil are good enough for DwD dragons.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: May 24 2012, 07:15

Contrary to people's belief, higher-level players won't get additional benefits from curse-weaving. That's because the chance is calculated relative to your current level.

(depre.prof/current level) - (active depre spells - 2) * 15%

Current level is a good approximation of monster level, as monster level will never be less than (your current level - 5).

So...if you feel you have problems with curse-weaving, two possible reasons:
1. You're a melee, and those special procs is counted as a deprecating effect now.
2. You don't have sufficient deprecating prof relative to your current level.

Close, but I don't bother with Silence. Just Nerf + Weaken + Imperil and let Spirit Shield take care of the rest. If you don't like the occasional Soul Harvest regen, then take spirit pots. It's not like mana pots will get you very far on IWBTH legendary arenas, so they are unneeded. Aether + CM + Spirit Stance goes a long way too, so try to do that as much as possible so you don't have to ET as much. Keep Spark on IA and you're pretty much invincible.

Thanks. I should probably start with non-legendary arenas to get the 'feeling' first.
Sounds like I need to see how much damage I'll receive from normal monsters, and the appropriate MP/SP pot composition. The composition can then be adjusted (fewer MP pots) to accommodate extra SP drain from legends.

Or I can be lazy and just finish DwD on BT difficulty. There isn't any reward anyway

Thanks. I should probably start with non-legendary arenas to get the 'feeling' first.
Sounds like I need to see how much damage I'll receive from normal monsters, and the appropriate MP/SP pot composition. The composition can then be adjusted (fewer MP pots) to accommodate extra SP drain from legends.

Or I can be lazy and just finish DwD on BT difficulty. There isn't any reward anyway

They hit pretty hard. Not sure that strategy would work very well on non-legendary arenas since I've just been spamming to get rid of the normals. You might have trouble if you have to resort to ET on longer ones since it would come down to chance (# of mobs with high resist on round-by-round basis.)

BT is about 3 times as fast as IWBTH on legendary arenas in my experience, though I haven't done any on BT since Imperil was added. IWBTH DwD took me about 3 hours, but with a couple of not so great heimdall pieces, so it could be faster. I also don't know how others like to handle Konata either since I'm sure just about everyone except me takes a Katalox for these arenas. That could add time depending your overall approach.

In order to train depreciating proficiency, this is setup correct?

Focus staff, full set of curse weaver gossamer. When mana is low, hit the mobs with the staff to get ET...?

In order to train depreciating proficiency, this is setup correct?

Focus staff, full set of curse weaver gossamer. When mana is low, hit the mobs with the staff to get ET...?

If you have nothing else to train, then this setup's okay. Just set the difficulty to easy and enter a crude IW.
It's better (and easier) to use phase/gossamer of owl though. You don't need to wear the corresponding prof armor when you're spamming spells.
Also, save some time by not using ET. Just leave and re-enter with new mana pots.

Cake difficulty > Focus staff > Owl gear (it doesn't really matter) > 13 Superior/Godly pots
Start Grind/Crysfest > kill all enemies but one > cast Weaken > hold R > use pots when needed > flee when you're out

Edit: eh, ninja'd.

This post has been edited by Tiap: May 24 2012, 08:10

Focus staff + Owl phase.

With 1 enemy left:

- Cast Slow, Magnet
- Cast Weaken
- RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
- Heal when needed
- RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
- Grab mana pot and chuck it down
- RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Meh... double ninja'd

This post has been edited by buktore: May 24 2012, 08:12

Cheers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Proficiency:
Deprecating - 208.19
Supportive - 286.55
Curative - 270.79

Another question with IW. Here is my current set:

Weapon: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fa86afe87a

Helmet: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6e9d19be92

Body: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=138149a83b

Hands: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6d43a22dbf

Legs: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9047ead168

Boots: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2a80775309

They are all old SDs except for the leggings, I still like them because of the lower interference.

The boots are good enough for now. So the focus is mainly on helmet, body, gauntlets and leggings. Besides the mace, which pieces are worth leveling?

This post has been edited by MidNightPass: May 24 2012, 08:23