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May 21 2012, 16:10
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LangTuTaiHoa
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errr... hito also has them all, no?
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May 21 2012, 16:12
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ May 21 2012, 14:10)  errr... hito also has them all, no?
no, he did all the training
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May 21 2012, 18:06
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MidNightPass
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ May 21 2012, 22:12)  no, he did all the training
Are you still leveling equipment for other players? If so, how much do you charge?
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May 21 2012, 19:04
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(mustardpie @ May 21 2012, 23:58)  How to survive 10 mobs attacking you on IWBTH? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) haste + spark of life first. Anything else later.
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May 21 2012, 19:04
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MidNightPass
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QUOTE(mustardpie @ May 22 2012, 00:58)  How to survive 10 mobs attacking you on IWBTH? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Haste, SV, spark, protection, spirit shield, and x-nerf. This post has been edited by MidNightPass: May 21 2012, 19:13
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May 21 2012, 19:22
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Coma
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QUOTE(mustardpie @ May 21 2012, 18:58)  How to survive 10 mobs attacking you on IWBTH? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Mage: Spark, Shadow Veil, Arcane Focus, then spam highest tier spells, Cure Heavy Melee: Haste, Spirit Shield, Protection, Regen II, Heartseeker, then whacking to get OC and unleash skills, Cure Light Melee: Haste, Spark, Shadow Veil, Heartseeker, pray, then whacking to get OC and unleash skills This post has been edited by Coma: May 21 2012, 19:24
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May 21 2012, 20:11
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rpgman1
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 21 2012, 13:22)  Mage: Spark, Shadow Veil, Arcane Focus, then spam highest tier spells, Cure Heavy Melee: Haste, Spirit Shield, Protection, Regen II, Heartseeker, then whacking to get OC and unleash skills, Cure Light Melee: Haste, Spark, Shadow Veil, Heartseeker, pray, then whacking to get OC and unleash skills
Seems about right, but those 10+ mobs on IWBTH ripped through Spark twice in just 2 rounds when I'm a mage. Spamming highest tier spells makes sense anyway before they kill you. I want to know how people are able to go through 200+ rounds in IW on the higher difficulty settings. It can't be just maxed out Pack Rat though.
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May 21 2012, 20:19
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varst
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 22 2012, 02:11)  Seems about right, but those 10+ mobs on IWBTH ripped through Spark twice in just 2 rounds when I'm a mage. Spamming highest tier spells makes sense anyway before they kill you.
I want to know how people are able to go through 200+ rounds in IW on the higher difficulty settings. It can't be just maxed out Pack Rat though.
I will try haste -> spark -> SP shield -> shadow veil -> start spamming. There's no reason to use AF/HS in random encounter as it isn't cost-efficient. And utilize the time when spark is on for spells. I would probably just let spark activate the first time around, just to get that extra mitigation bonus for 5 turns. 4 highest-tier spam should be enough to kill some of the monsters, if not most. As for IW....if you're a mage, utilize your ether theft. It's difficult to go through 200+ rounds at your level though, even on normal difficulty. So don't worry if you can't do so.
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May 21 2012, 20:23
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Coma
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 21 2012, 20:11)  Seems about right, but those 10+ mobs on IWBTH ripped through Spark twice in just 2 rounds when I'm a mage. Spamming highest tier spells makes sense anyway before they kill you.
I want to know how people are able to go through 200+ rounds in IW on the higher difficulty settings. It can't be just maxed out Pack Rat though.
Haste and Shadow Veil on IA A Staff that has max 3-turn Ether Thief proc chance Keep up X-Nerf and Weaken Mages do it the traditional way: spam until run out of mana, then ET the rest way through. With Regen II and Weaken, it is not that impossible to survive 10-monster rape-fest. You can also replace few Godly Mana with Godly Spirit and keep up Spirit Shield. I heard Spirit Shield is better than Protection for mage, but I am not sure if that is true
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May 21 2012, 20:33
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varst
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 22 2012, 02:23)  Haste and Shadow Veil on IA A Staff that has max 3-turn Ether Thief proc chance Keep up X-Nerf and Weaken
Mages do it the traditional way: spam until run out of mana, then ET the rest way through.
With Regen II and Weaken, it is not that impossible to survive 10-monster rape-fest. You can also replace few Godly Mana with Godly Spirit and keep up Spirit Shield. I heard Spirit Shield is better than Protection for mage, but I am not sure if that is true
Probably no for any deprecating spells if you're a mage. You won't survive when you're casting that 10 weakens. And why do you need a ET staff on random encounter? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) As for SP shield....should be better than protection if you're talking about IWBTH/BT. The more 'traditional' way to IW is to ET in the first 50~100 rounds, then start spamming spells when the monster left for ET is too strong. This post has been edited by varst: May 21 2012, 20:34
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May 21 2012, 20:44
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rpgman1
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QUOTE(varst @ May 21 2012, 14:33)  Probably no for any deprecating spells if you're a mage. You won't survive when you're casting that 10 weakens. And why do you need a ET staff on random encounter? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) As for SP shield....should be better than protection if you're talking about IWBTH/BT. The more 'traditional' way to IW is to ET in the first 50~100 rounds, then start spamming spells when the monster left for ET is too strong. Dang, still a long way to go to get SP Shield. I can survive BT with what I got, but IWBTH takes a little more effort. I'll keep that in mind for random encounters. Doesn't IA help you with casting other spells? I have 2 IA slots opened and put on Haste and Shadow Veil. Should I replace SV with Spark instead for random encounters? ET in IW for the 1st 100 rounds sounds reasonable unless you can't solve puzzles or didn't get much.
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May 21 2012, 20:45
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(rpgman1 @ May 22 2012, 01:44)  Should I replace SV with Spark instead for random encounters?
Definitely.
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May 21 2012, 20:49
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coffeecoffee
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I have a simple question... regarding HV.... what are the pentalties for dying????
Coffee~
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May 21 2012, 20:50
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hzqr
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I usually cast Spirit Shield > Spark > Regen > Protection (in that order) at the beginning of the first round, then wait for some Channeling to cast Arcane Focus and Regen II. After that it's always Ragnarok > Purge/Banish > Ragnarok > rinse and repeat.
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May 21 2012, 20:55
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skillchip
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QUOTE(coffeecoffee @ May 21 2012, 18:49)  I have a simple question... regarding HV.... what are the pentalties for dying???? Coffee~
Nothing. Unless you are doing an arena, at which case you have to wait till the next dawn to start it again. It is actually beneficial for you to die for other players mobs that you are facing in a given round.
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May 21 2012, 20:58
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coffeecoffee
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QUOTE(skillchip @ May 21 2012, 20:55)  Nothing. Unless you are doing an arena, at which case you have to wait till the next dawn to start it again.
It is actually beneficial for you to die for other players mobs that you are facing in a given round.
Thanks for the quick reply =) Btw, if you don't mind explaining.... what are the benefits of creating a mob and having it getting player kills??? How does it benefit the mob owner? Coffee~ PS: Sorry for the newb questions.. just started... 13 hours ago This post has been edited by coffeecoffee: May 21 2012, 20:58
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May 21 2012, 20:58
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rpgman1
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QUOTE(Tiap @ May 21 2012, 14:50)  I usually cast Spirit Shield > Spark > Regen > Protection (in that order) at the beginning of the first round, then wait for some Channeling to cast Arcane Focus and Regen II. After that it's always Ragnarok > Purge/Banish > Ragnarok > rinse and repeat.
No need for Haste? SP Shield and Spark seem to be useful for random encounters. Arcane Focus helped me kill mobs faster. Guess my spell prof. are still low (~60 except for Forbidden and Deprecating).
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May 21 2012, 21:06
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hzqr
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I have Haste and SV on IA
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May 21 2012, 21:09
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varst
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QUOTE(Tiap @ May 22 2012, 02:50)  I usually cast Spirit Shield > Spark > Regen > Protection (in that order) at the beginning of the first round, then wait for some Channeling to cast Arcane Focus and Regen II. After that it's always Ragnarok > Purge/Banish > Ragnarok > rinse and repeat.
I just tried IWBTH random encounter again, this time with haste + SV in IA slots and spark +SP shield at the start of rounds. The result looks promising: I deliberately let spark activate by casting ragnarok/banish, then cure, then start spamming ragnarok/banish again. It took we 7 rounds to beat that, which should provide the better efficiency. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE(coffeecoffee @ May 22 2012, 02:58)  Btw, if you don't mind explaining.... what are the benefits of creating a mob and having it getting player kills??? How does it benefit the mob owner?
The overall process is like 1. Create monster with chaos token 2. Raise monster's PL so it will become stronger. 3. Let the monsters beat other players. They will then have a chance to bring back some presents, which you can use to upgrade your equips. At your level, those monsters won't bring that much benefits to you. You may try spending those crystals from drops on monsters, but buying them means you have less resource for your character. It's better to focus on your character first and raise a monster when you have enough resource to do so. This post has been edited by varst: May 21 2012, 21:10
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