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May 17 2012, 17:28
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Coma
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Unbelieveable, you expect to become a mage with only 1 point of prof? Theoretically, you still can be a mage even with such low prof, but you will have very difficult time due to curse weaving and low spell duration
You will need a Focus staff to conserve mana, go to Crude IW IWBTH and grind
These are the spells that cost the least mana per cast Supportive: Protection (or Spike if you have one) Deprecating: Weaken Elemental: use any Tier 1 elemental spells Divine/Forbidden: Use the lowest tier spells
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May 17 2012, 17:32
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☆Loli Police☆
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 17 2012, 08:28)  Unbelieveable, you expect to become a mage with only 1 point of prof? Theoretically, you still can be a mage even with such low prof, but you will have very difficult time due to curse weaving and low spell duration
You will need a Focus staff to conserve mana, go to Crude IW IWBTH and grind
These are the spells that cost the least mana per cast Supportive: Protection (or Spike if you have one) Deprecating: Weaken Elemental: use any Tier 1 elemental spells Divine/Forbidden: Use the lowest tier spells
I'm not looking to become a mage, I just want some magic that will be able to help me in battle.
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May 17 2012, 17:38
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Coma
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QUOTE(ShatteredWings @ May 17 2012, 17:32)  I'm not looking to become a mage, I just want some magic that will be able to help me in battle.
Even as melee, you still need Curative, Supportive, and Deprecating prof as high as possible. Like I said, you will have very difficult time due to curse weaving and low spell duration.
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May 17 2012, 17:42
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 17 2012, 08:38)  Even as melee, you still need Curative, Supportive, and Deprecating prof as high as possible.
Like I said, you will have very difficult time due to curse weaving and low spell duration.
Only my curative is high at 110.96 points. I guess I need to work on the others.
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May 17 2012, 18:00
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You should train some prof in supportive and deprecating then.
And I have said many times before, if you want to grind offensive prof (from weapons), you should go to crude IW in IWBTH difficulty. But if you want to grind defensive (from armors and non-offensive spells), you should go to crude IW in easy difficulty.
Summarize: Train weapon prof.: heavy armor(++protection) + specified weapon + crude IWBTH IW Train armor prof: specified armor + any weapon + crude easy IW Train supportive prof: cloth armor + staff (with mana conservation) + crude easy IW
Offensive magic prof: You don't really need to train that. I'm serious.
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May 17 2012, 18:02
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QUOTE(varst @ May 17 2012, 09:00)  You should train some prof in supportive and deprecating then.
And I have said many times before, if you want to grind offensive prof (from weapons), you should go to crude IW in IWBTH difficulty. But if you want to grind defensive (from armors and non-offensive spells), you should go to crude IW in easy difficulty.
Summarize: Train weapon prof.: heavy armor(++protection) + specified weapon + crude IWBTH IW Train armor prof: specified armor + any weapon + crude easy IW Train supportive prof: cloth armor + staff (with mana conservation) + crude easy IW
Offensive magic prof: You don't really need to train that. I'm serious.
Will do, thanks a lot! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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May 17 2012, 18:07
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QUOTE(varst @ May 17 2012, 18:00)  And I have said many times before, if you want to grind offensive prof (from weapons), you should go to crude IW in IWBTH difficulty. But if you want to grind defensive (from armors and non-offensive spells), you should go to crude IW in easy difficulty.
Can I train supportive prof and curative prof in easy Cryfest? Cuz it decreases 50% mana cost (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by Fuu: May 17 2012, 18:11
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May 17 2012, 18:39
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QUOTE(Fuu @ May 17 2012, 11:07)  Can I train supportive prof and curative prof in easy Cryfest? Cuz it decreases 50% mana cost (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Crysfest uses 50% stamina, not mana. Which is irrelevant if you never proceed beyond round 1.
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May 17 2012, 23:18
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May 17 2012, 23:44
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QUOTE(rainbowmagnum @ May 17 2012, 23:18)  Medicore stats, perhaps you could scam extra credits out of suckers who havent installed HV Equipment Base. I am still waiting for suckers to buy thisThis post has been edited by Coma: May 17 2012, 23:46
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May 18 2012, 00:17
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QUOTE(Coma @ May 18 2012, 07:44)  Medicore stats, perhaps you could scam extra credits out of suckers who havent installed HV Equipment Base.
Meh i'll just vendor it QUOTE(Coma @ May 18 2012, 07:44)  I am still waiting for suckers to buy thisI has one of those (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 18 2012, 01:21
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O hai. I'm in need of a bit of assistance with my caster. Currently my stats are: STR 60/3/0 DEX 0/0/0 AGI 60/0/0 END 100/0/1 INT 125/111/0 WIS 106/71/1 And my proficiencies are: Staff (in case it actually matters) 31.38 Elemental 91.93 Deprecating 7.69 Supportive 8.01 Curative 60.62 I am using the rank 3 blue, indigo and violet auras. I have maxed every health and mana tank as well as the Haste and Spark of Life effects. I have picked up the second tier of lightning based spells and maxed them. I have also taken every healing ability (Cure 1, Cure 2 and Regen) and every possible permanent ability (the entire penultimate column and both scroll and infusion slots). The rest of my ability tree is barren. My gear: StaffHeadRobeGlovesPantsFeetMy questions are: 1. Is there a more efficient way than spamming (de)buffs on easy difficulty in an item world to advance in proficiencies? 2. Would "of the Elementalist" or "of the ELEMENT OF CHOICE" gear be superior to "of the Fox" gear? In either case, is there a sort of "rule of thumb" to adhere to (as in X int = Y elec damage bonus)? 3. Does it matter at all which element I use for spells? Or is the number of mobs that are weak to the school of magic the predominant factor in making this decision? 4. Aside from the terrible supportive and deprecating proficiencies and any mistakes I've made gearing and picking up abilities, have I made any other mistakes? 5. I can go through 130-140 rounds on normal, 50-70 rounds on hard difficulty and with dilligent healing I can survive roughly 30 levels of Nintendo (last I checked was at 90 or so). Should I be lasting longer? Thanks for any information in advance.
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May 18 2012, 01:45
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Coma
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QUOTE(ekvator @ May 18 2012, 01:21)  O hai. I'm in need of a bit of assistance with my caster.
Generic tips: Stat priority: Wis > End > Int > Str > Agi > Dex. Yes, you need put some points into Dex. As for aura, it is better for you to unlock other auras at level 1 first, to maximize the exp bonus, before focusing on the key aura. You need to train up your Supportive and Deprecating prof more, since both curse weaving and spell duration are dependent on it. As for ability points, get Shadow Veil and Weaken, plan to get Imperil and Spark of Life. You will need more Spirit Tank just for the Spark and Spirit Shield (since monsters have much higher chance of one-shoting you with magical attacks or critical attacks). Also consider a complimentary spell to go along with Lightning (perhaps Wind or Fire) While there is nothing wrong with equipments, you should upgrade them as soon as possible, since all of them are way behind your level and thus may hinder your potential damage output/survival. Answers to your questions: 1. No, the only way to raise prof is spamming, though having a Focus staff (mana conservation) with high Ether Thief proc can help alot 2. Yes, both suffixes can be superior to Fox gear, especially at higher level. In general, use Elementalist if your prof is very low; otherwise, use the Mjolnir. 1 int = 2 magical damage 3. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Colored_ChartNot really, just find another complimentary spells like Wind or Fire to trigger explosion. However, Holy/Dark will have much easier time due to fewer monsters resistant to both spells, albeit the spell cost. 4. see Generic Advice 5. You are doing fine for your level, just upgrade the equipment and follow the Generic Advice This post has been edited by Coma: May 18 2012, 01:47
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May 18 2012, 02:05
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ekvator
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As I had leftover ability points, I was able to take Shadow Veil, Weaken and Imperil. All that's left is fire spells. The rest is just a matter of time.
Thanks for the speedy replies and the staff from rainbowmagnum!
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May 18 2012, 02:07
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QUOTE(ekvator @ May 18 2012, 10:05)  As I had leftover ability points, I was able to take Shadow Veil, Weaken and Imperil. All that's left is fire spells. The rest is just a matter of time.
Thanks for the speedy replies and the staff from rainbowmagnum!
I hope it proves useful. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 18 2012, 05:47
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varst
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QUOTE(rainbowmagnum @ May 18 2012, 05:18)  IMO it's more useful than 60-70% of other shades. Yes it don't have max ADB and evade, but those stat are still good enough for others to use. QUOTE(ekvator @ May 18 2012, 07:21)  O hai. I'm in need of a bit of assistance with my caster.
Thanks for any information in advance.
1. I would say the generic advice is WIS = INT > END = AGI > STR = DEX. Don't underestimate AGI; you don't get much defense from END/armor, so the speed is very important: if you can act faster than the monsters, you can get the second spell before some of them moves. It simply means less damage dealt to you. 2. For auras: it's the WORST idea to get one tanks for each aura first without considering other conditions. The reason behind is that you need to train refined aura to open more aura slots. It's unwise to pay 75k/100k credits for the last two slots if you can put those credits into adept learner for the same effect. Nowadays I usually use an approximation: assuming the EXP bonus from auras are (approximately) 2 times more effective than EXP from adept learner: then if adept learner's training cost * 2 * 7 > refined aura's training cost, it will be the time to train next aura slot. 3. Haste is very important for mages. Even more than shadow veil. Just remember to use haste before shadow veil (the best choice is to keep both of them on) 4. It really doesn't matter the monster's magical resistance at your level. First of all, you'll see tons of different monsters per round, so it's practically impossible to scan all of them for their weakness. Second, even if you have time to scan them, when you progress in levels there will be monsters with different PL. That simply means all your scanning done is useless. Just cast spells on monsters and hope for the best. If you're using complementing spells besides elec, there should be no real problem. Other than that, you can follow Coma's idea. This post has been edited by varst: May 18 2012, 05:50
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May 18 2012, 05:55
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Why don't you need to train offensive magic prof?
I'm at level 130 and was thinking of switching to mage(from 2h melee). Will it be okay to switch over without any elemental/holy/dark prof? My curative is at 98, my supportive is at 50, and deprecating is at 12.
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May 18 2012, 05:56
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You should get those yellow auras, Evade is one of the most important stats for a mage.
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