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That mace is pretty bad. I'm trying to find one with at least 35 damage, over 40 if possible, and close to 50 if its slaughter.

Also, if EoD is End of Days, then what is Eve of Death?

When most people talk about EoD and schoolgirls in the same sentence, it is usually referring to End of Days.

Either a mace or Scythe with a higher damage than what you currently do or an Illithid to cover the mana your losing.
I find the lower range of damage needed to clear the schoolgirls arena to be a mace with something 550 or higher, anything lower will cause you to not be able to clear the round fast enough.

I tried DW the EoD arena, it was slower than maging with ET, but doable.

This post has been edited by trikon000: Apr 19 2012, 06:49

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I've tried Mace on EoD and I've found it quite awful, honestly. I found myself killing the Schoolgirls much slower, which meant more Regen casts / more uses of Heartseeker and more Mana being used. Being more vulnerable to their Spirit Attacks because they're alive for longer makes things even worse. A good Scythe would probably help, but consider the price of good Eth Scythes...

Going DW, IMO, is the preferred path for EoD-like arenas, though it's hardly ideal with less than 100 DW prof. Raise to past 100 to get Frenzied Blows, and try to get a better, or at least higher level Eth Club and Rapier. The big priority would be the prof though. I would imagine even those two weapons with 100 DW prof would somewhat outperform a mace on those arenas, but it's hard to say.

Also, if EoD is End of Days, then what is Eve of Death?

EoD usually refers to End of Days here; if you can't finish Eve of Death, more likely you can't finish To kill a God and would have asked that.

Anyways, your focusing too much on the ethereal part. Your weapons are all way underlevel and have crap base damage. The club is way too low lvl, low damage, crap stun chance, rapier has crap parry and damage and is also low lvl, and so is the mace, the damage is much too low.

EoD usually refers to End of Days here; if you can't finish Eve of Death, more likely you can't finish To kill a God and would have asked that.

Yeah I know, I was just wondering if Eve of Death had an abbreviation. Anyways, I finished Eve of Death with no potions so *shrugs*.

I'm gonna hit lvl 200, feather everything and voidseeker and aether my mace. Probably overkill but meh.

This post has been edited by Kaosumx: Apr 19 2012, 06:54

I think the limiting factors for mages is the mana usage, not burst damage. That's why at later levels ET>DPT sometimes, especially schoolgirl marathons.

I suppose that's true. I dunno; I ET a lot and I'm pretty happy with my 40% ET ebony so I have a hard time seeing the benefits of redwood.

to my knowledge the ET stat won't affect how much mana you steal. so unless you have the luck of being hit by a car upon leaving the house, redwood ET isn't necessary. my 36% works just fine =)

That mace is pretty bad. I'm trying to find one with at least 35 damage, over 40 if possible, and close to 50 if its slaughter.

Yeah, but finding one and then selling all your appendages to pay for it are trials themselves aren't they?

Either a mace or Scythe with a higher damage than what you currently do or an Illithid to cover the mana your losing.
I find the lower range of damage needed to clear the schoolgirls arena to be a mace with something 550 or higher, anything lower will cause you to not be able to clear the round fast enough.

Thanks, I'll look into that 550 point.
The weapon suggestions sound good, but the price is what's really keeping me from them.

I've tried Mace on EoD and I've found it quite awful, honestly. I found myself killing the Schoolgirls much slower, which meant more Regen casts / more uses of Heartseeker and more Mana being used. Being more vulnerable to their Spirit Attacks because they're alive for longer makes things even worse. A good Scythe would probably help, but consider the price of good Eth Scythes...

Going DW, IMO, is the preferred path for EoD-like arenas, though it's hardly ideal with less than 100 DW prof. Raise to past 100 to get Frenzied Blows, and try to get a better, or at least higher level Eth Club and Rapier. The big priority would be the prof though. I would imagine even those two weapons with 100 DW prof would somewhat outperform a mace on those arenas, but it's hard to say.

That's actually what I've heard (though it's possible I've just heard it from you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)), and why I thought jumping on the DW ship may be a good idea.
I'll work on the proff mainly and maybe pick up a little extra money in the mean time.
Thanks.

Anyways, your focusing too much on the ethereal part. Your weapons are all way underlevel and have crap base damage. The club is way too low lvl, low damage, crap stun chance, rapier has crap parry and damage and is also low lvl, and so is the mace, the damage is much too low.

I'm not entirely convinced I'm focusing too much on the ethereal part.
Besides the fact that after level 200, crystal addicted giants become obnoxiously common, there's the fact that half of the school girls themselves are resistant to crushing damage (while one is neutral and one is weak to it). Then we toss in the fact that I'm a light melee and my biggest form of defense is evade. Normal mace burden would cause that to nosedive as well.


I may just decide to shard this mace tomorrow: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=13fd02e6bb
Though it is also now underleveled (I'm pretty sure I wouldn't survive 167 rounds of Exquisite IW anyway).
I also feel that just using shards would be kind of a cop out, but maybe I'll just use the clear bonus to buy some better loot and better myself that way.

You don't need an eth mace to get through, it is just a bonus that you don't have to spend a feather shard to reduce the B/I and a voidseeker if you got one. If your new 2H has a low AAB a voidsseeker will likely be needed, it would be costly in the long run if you don't have a stockpile of shards to cover the schoolgirls arenas everyday.

try a scythe of illithid? if it's your first run through you really don't know just *how* long the fight will be. so you should get enough mana to make yourself last. with nerf + spirit moded shatter (you can dispel the spirit mode right after the PA wears off) + possibly a feather shard on your scythe you should handle the girls pretty easily

e: oops i shoulda read your post on the previous page. but basically the scythe gives you the longevity in the arena while giving you damage over time (so you can hurt them even self-buffing)

regen 2 should negate most if not all the incoming damage from the schoolgirl. shatter should be enough to clear all the surrounding enemies on turn 1

This post has been edited by dcherry: Apr 19 2012, 07:39

You don't need an eth mace to get through, it is just a bonus that you don't have to spend a feather shard to reduce the B/I and a voidseeker if you got one. If your new 2H has a low AAB a voidsseeker will likely be needed, it would be costly in the long run if you don't have a stockpile of shards to cover the schoolgirls arenas everyday.

Hmm, all I can say is that once I reached level 200 I switched from my Exquisite Slaughter Mace to the Ethereal one and noticed that the monsters seemed to go down faster despite the fact that the Slaughter has almost twice as much WD as the Balance.
I agree, I'm not a huge fan of using shards because I don't think it's worth it in the long run (that's a lot of upkeep), but I definitely wasn't planning to go through the school girls everyday either...
My plan was essentially to get the clear bonus and then to do the first 50 rounds on as high a difficulty as I could for the exp bonus.
Is this not what most people do?

try a scythe of illithid? if it's your first run through you really don't know just *how* long the fight will be. so you should get enough mana to make yourself last. with nerf + spirit moded shatter (you can dispel the spirit mode right after the PA wears off) + possibly a feather shard on your scythe you should handle the girls pretty easily

Hmm I've been holding off on switching to scythe until I can get a decent heavy set, but I suppose now could be a good time trade off..
What's a good Magic Siphon base rate?
The Wiki table doesn't actually give any mins or maxes.
I've got this exceptionally mediocre Scythe:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cfa2d6ddb8
BW proc chance is quite low, but it is for max damage...

This post has been edited by Mr. Plow: Apr 19 2012, 07:42

don't got a eth 2H yet, all my 2Hs do 700+ damage. allowing me to do 100 rounds easy on normal difficulty.

I'll probably go back to DW when I can allocate enough AP into OC for FB, after I hit level 250.

This post has been edited by trikon000: Apr 19 2012, 07:43

I'm not entirely convinced I'm focusing too much on the ethereal part.
Besides the fact that after level 200, crystal addicted giants become obnoxiously common, there's the fact that half of the school girls themselves are resistant to crushing damage (while one is neutral and one is weak to it). Then we toss in the fact that I'm a light melee and my biggest form of defense is evade. Normal mace burden would cause that to nosedive as well.

They can have 50 percent crush resistance, but a strong mace will do more than twice the damage of your current mace so it all works out. I'm light melee too, and a good mace has much less burden than you would think, especially when compared to a scythe. I barely see any difference in evasion between using ethereal and normal ingame. Anyways featherweights are so common and cheap that it hardly matters anymore.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=65ed591a5d
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fac6a7d61d

This post has been edited by Kaosumx: Apr 19 2012, 07:47

Oh, I don't have any problem doing 100+ rounds on normal difficulty in other situations.
I generally play my arenas on Heroic (I can even do most on Nightmare, though I haven't tried Trio yet) and have no problem; if you're commenting on my general survivability, I'm doing fine.

They can have 50 percent crush resistance, but a strong mace will do more than twice the damage of your current mace so it all works out. I'm light melee too, and a good mace has much less burden than you would think, especially when compared to a scythe. I barely see any difference in evasion between using ethereal and normal ingame. Anyways featherweights are so common and cheap that it hardly matters anymore.

Right, so my point was just that even if I'm doing the same amount of damage I'm still getting hit more because of the burden. I don't know, I noticed the difference between 14 Burden and 2, but maybe it was just a placebo effect.

This post has been edited by Mr. Plow: Apr 19 2012, 07:48

Hmm I've been holding off on switching to scythe until I can get a decent heavy set, but I suppose now could be a good time trade off..
What's a good Magic Siphon base rate?
The Wiki table doesn't actually give any mins or maxes.
I've got this exceptionally mediocre Scythe:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cfa2d6ddb8
BW proc chance is quite low, but it is for max damage...

Personally I won't suggest 2H at this moment, unless you get a very good scythe/mace.

Do you have a high-damage non-ethereal club? You may consider using a void shard on that one only. Then get 100 prof. and use frenzied blows against legends. This way you should be able to lower the equip's quality requirement.
Training DW prof. is very easy BTW: just find a crude equip, enter IWBTH IW with DW and heavy armor and start hitting things.

Right, so my point was just that even if I'm doing the same amount of damage I'm still getting hit more because of the burden. I don't know, I noticed the difference between 14 Burden and 2, but maybe it was just a placebo effect.

Sure, you'd be doing the same damage against anything that has 50 percent or more crush resistance (you'd actually probably do more with a properly lvled mace), but you'd do much more against anything that doesn't have 50 percent crush resistance.

Training DW prof. is very easy BTW: just find a crude equip, enter IWBTH IW with DW and heavy armor and start hitting things.

Boring as hell still and still slow. I could go until I run out of pots and come out to find I've gained less than 1 prof. I've just been running through all up arenas up to lvl 100 with DW each day (when I have time) and don't pay attention to it anymore, and it goes up before I know it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Boring as hell still and still slow. I could go until I run out of pots and come out to find I've gained less than 1 prof. I've just been running through all up arenas up to lvl 100 with DW each day (when I have time) and don't pay attention to it anymore, and it goes up before I know it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You should put more credits into Assimilator training, you can level your prof faster.

You should put more credits into Assimilator training, you can level your prof faster.

Can't, saving up for a good ethe 2H weapon. Have a little over a 800k credits and 31 hath now.

And I swear proficiency is trolling me. Ever since I noticed my profs sucked, they started going up slower! My light armor prof has been stuck in the 90s for the past 60 lvls.

This post has been edited by Kaosumx: Apr 19 2012, 08:05

@kao in fact i'd say light armor is probably one of the harder profs to pump up since you're *almost* as glassy as a mage but most of the time you're sporting a mace (they'll be stunned most of the time) so you avoid damage as much as possible.

@plow that scythe looks ok. the siphon is kinda low though but the damage should be the *fastest* 2h killing option you have available to you (you can't really out-damage a scythe AFAIK)

at <level 250 i think the 3 main concerns for schoolgirls are

mana (you need enough to last the long fight since you'll be consuming much more turns than a mage and you don't get the luxury of ET)

PA (maybe nerf but probably not necessary) you're at the level where phys mitigation actually starts mattering and most of the monsters you run about against will probably null more than half your actual damage

damage (you don't have the damage luxury of a mage vs the schoolgirls. you want to make each hit count esp when they're at low mitigation. shorter the fights, the less you have to worry about your mana)

hence why i often suggest illithid right off the bat. unless you ahve amazing damage, illithid will be your safest bet. 0.52 base is the highest illithid siphon i see in my scythes.

Personally I won't suggest 2H at this moment, unless you get a very good scythe/mace.

Do you have a high-damage non-ethereal club? You may consider using a void shard on that one only. Then get 100 prof. and use frenzied blows against legends. This way you should be able to lower the equip's quality requirement.
Training DW prof. is very easy BTW: just find a crude equip, enter IWBTH IW with DW and heavy armor and start hitting things.

Hahaha I actually don't.
1-Handed weapons haven't really been a priority since I do virtually everything with 2H.
That was definitely the DW prof training I had in mind though.