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Apr 15 2012, 23:14
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putadshere
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So artifacts will always give the same result(randomly selected from a list) no matter what level, so it's worth shrining them right away(or selling them), but trophies give an item based on your level, so it's better to save them until you're a higher level? That makes sense.
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Apr 15 2012, 23:18
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(putadshere @ Apr 15 2012, 21:14)  So artifacts will always give the same result(randomly selected from a list) no matter what level, so it's worth shrining them right away(or selling them), but trophies give an item based on your level, so it's better to save them until you're a higher level? That makes sense.
the items you get from trophies are within 5 levels of you are so. But you can still get a godly item at low levels, you just need to level it up later. At lower levels I think its better to sell artifacts 14k-16k and use those credits to train. After you have a few more levels of that then start using them.
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Apr 16 2012, 00:02
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Hauteur
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I just noticed my Depreciating proficiency is pretty low compared to my Cure and Support since I only use it on bosses. Is there a way effective way to train while leveling?
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Apr 16 2012, 00:06
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Slobber
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i've seen a lot of people obsess over proficiencies. it's better to look at proficiencies and think about what benefits they actually provide you. seeing as you're level 118 you'll be facing more and more manbearpigs+friends as you unlock the arenas. naturally if you need to use depreciating magic against them the proficiency will catch up to your level =)
it's very rare that depreciating/supportive proficiency affects your battle to a significant degree
edit: if you really want to train up proficiencies this is probably the most economical way to train it up
get a redwood staff of focus (44%-50% ET/2-3 turn/20%+ mana conservation) rest of the stats *do not matter* prefix *does* not matter
set difficulty to IWBTH
wear armor with 0 interference and as much wisdom as possible. other stats don't matter. (curseweaver gossamer is a decent choice here if u use blind)
start first blood or a crude IW
supportive spells : haste + shadow veil (keep these on at all times) i forget if you have regen yet or not but that'll be helpful too depreciating spells : weaken (blind helps alot too)
once they're coalesced spam weaken on them like nuts. proc ET if you need mana
This post has been edited by dcherry: Apr 16 2012, 00:18
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Apr 16 2012, 00:14
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TheGreyPanther
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QUOTE(Hauteur @ Apr 16 2012, 00:02)  I just noticed my Depreciating proficiency is pretty low compared to my Cure and Support since I only use it on bosses. Is there a way effective way to train while leveling?
I never used deprecating magic on the monsters before (with the obvious exception of bosses) but now I always use weaken and sometimes x-nerf in the IWBTH hourlies. The proficiency seems to be starting to catch up (at least faster than the other proficiencies. I your really serious about it use a Illithid weapon and a low interference armor in a IWBTH crude item world and spam weaken and whack away to regain mana. Edit: Beaten to the punch. By virtue of being a melee player I gave a melee solution. dcherry's mage solution is probably more efficient (but less cool). This post has been edited by TheGreyPanther: Apr 16 2012, 00:17
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Apr 16 2012, 00:57
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Maximum_Joe
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QUOTE(Hauteur @ Apr 15 2012, 14:02)  I just noticed my Depreciating proficiency is pretty low compared to my Cure and Support since I only use it on bosses. Is there a way effective way to train while leveling?
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice#...g_Proficiencies
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Apr 16 2012, 01:30
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(dcherry @ Apr 16 2012, 05:06)  i've seen a lot of people obsess over proficiencies. it's better to look at proficiencies and think about what benefits they actually provide you. seeing as you're level 118 you'll be facing more and more manbearpigs+friends as you unlock the arenas. naturally if you need to use depreciating magic against them the proficiency will catch up to your level =)
it's very rare that depreciating/supportive proficiency affects your battle to a significant degree
edit: if you really want to train up proficiencies this is probably the most economical way to train it up
get a redwood staff of focus (44%-50% ET/2-3 turn/20%+ mana conservation) rest of the stats *do not matter* prefix *does* not matter
set difficulty to IWBTH
wear armor with 0 interference and as much wisdom as possible. other stats don't matter. (curseweaver gossamer is a decent choice here if u use blind)
start first blood or a crude IW
supportive spells : haste + shadow veil (keep these on at all times) i forget if you have regen yet or not but that'll be helpful too depreciating spells : weaken (blind helps alot too)
once they're coalesced spam weaken on them like nuts. proc ET if you need mana
That's way too complicated IMO. Personally, this works just as well, if not better: Get a focus staff, ~20% mana conserve. The rest do not matter. Get into a flimsy/fair easy IW. Kill all and leave 1 monster alive. Use magic missle for this. Then just weaken away. This is much faster and uses less concentration. To speed things up, you can also grab a movie somewhere and watch it while you're spamming weaken.
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Apr 16 2012, 02:38
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Hauteur
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Hmm...Thanks for the suggestions.
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Apr 16 2012, 03:11
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Kaosumx
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Apr 15 2012, 21:08)  After 4 hours of keeping 'R' pressed and finishing the last few episodes of Dragonball GT (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)  What was it at before?
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Apr 16 2012, 03:30
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EvertonBNU
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Monster. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I think now I need to train some divine prof, mine is ~59 and it's bad when I need cure.
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Apr 16 2012, 03:36
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Slobber
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Apr 15 2012, 17:30)  That's way too complicated IMO.
Personally, this works just as well, if not better:
Get a focus staff, ~20% mana conserve. The rest do not matter. Get into a flimsy/fair easy IW. Kill all and leave 1 monster alive. Use magic missle for this. Then just weaken away.
This is much faster and uses less concentration. To speed things up, you can also grab a movie somewhere and watch it while you're spamming weaken.
That was complicated? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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Apr 16 2012, 03:38
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Mr. Plow
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Divine prof isn't incorporated in cure. Holy EDB is though.
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Apr 16 2012, 04:53
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Coma
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QUOTE(Mr. Plow @ Apr 16 2012, 03:38)  Divine prof isn't incorporated in cure. Holy EDB is though.
Does Regen I and II still use Divine Prof for healing bonus?
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Apr 16 2012, 04:56
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Mr. Plow
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Apr 16 2012, 05:37
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kakashi524
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lvl229 Elemental Mage Noob here wondering how to successfully complete IW on a high lvl item (my equips are lvl302+). The highest I have gotten on IW has been round152 on easy and round 120 on normal (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . What kind of strategy should I follow to complete IW? I pretty much try to keep up at all times Haste, Shadow Veil, Protection, Arcane Focus, Regen II (arcane focus and Regen II I try to use when I get a free spell cast) and Absorb. Then I just go with AoE attacks starting with Fire spell, then Cold Spell, Wind Spell, Lightning spell and follow with Fire spell again IF needed, though, depending on difficulty I need 2-3 attacks per round. I don't really use Ether Theft since my attacks miss most of the time and I lose turns. Am I doing something wrong? Or at my lvl with my equipment am I doing okay? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Here are some screenshots of my character Screen, Abilities and Equipment: EDIT: Forgot to mention I have 11 Battle Item Slots with Godly Mana Potions. [attachembed=13455] [attachembed=13456][attachembed=13457][attachembed=13458] This post has been edited by kakashi524: Apr 16 2012, 06:03
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Apr 16 2012, 05:44
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 16 2012, 10:37)  lvl229 Elemental Mage Noob here wondering how to successfully complete IW on a high lvl item (my equips are lvl302+). The highest I have gotten on IW has been round152 on easy and round 120 on normal (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . What kind of strategy should I follow to complete IW? *snip* Ether Theft is a must. In addition, you only really need shadow veil, Haste and Regen 2. The rest can be used when you have a free channeling and nothing needs refreshing (like that ever happens). But you'll need good profs, for the increased in duration of the spells, so you can ET effectively. Otherwise it's impossible to go far (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You should start with at least Normal mode. The 0.5x damage from easy is not worth it. If you're stacking EDB on 1 element, 1 level 1 spell should kill almost all the mobs. The few left (shouldn't be that many) usually have Coalesced Mana on them, so you can ET them for 3-4 turns for around 80 mana. This will also give you overcharge, which means you can turn on Spirit mode for the -25% mana reduction. Use it to refresh your supportive and Regen 2.
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Apr 16 2012, 05:45
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(kakashi524 @ Apr 16 2012, 10:37)  lvl229 Elemental Mage Noob here wondering how to successfully complete IW on a high lvl item (my equips are lvl302+). The highest I have gotten on IW has been round152 on easy and round 120 on normal (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . What kind of strategy should I follow to complete IW? I pretty much try to keep up at all times Haste, Shadow Veil, Protection, Arcane Focus, Regen II (arcane focus and Regen II I try to use when I get a free spell cast) and Absorb. Then I just go with AoE attacks starting with Fire spell, then Cold Spell, Wind Spell, Lightning spell and follow with Fire spell again IF needed, though, depending on difficulty I need 2-3 attacks per round. I don't really use Ether Theft since my attacks miss most of the time and I lose turns. Am I doing something wrong? Or at my lvl with my equipment am I doing okay? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Here are some screenshots of my character Screen, Abilities and Equipment: ~ I can't see your screenshots, but one notice: you don't need that much supportive spells when on easy/normal. You may not even need arcane focus. Only turn it on if your killing is too slow. The only thing you really need is regen2. Maybe after 100-150 rounds where mobs tend to get freaky, get spark of life on if they hit too hard. And try to cast those only on channeling or mystic gem. If their turn run out when no channeling has occurred, try turning on spirit mode to reduce mana usage. Also, try using a focus staff with >= 20% mana conservation.
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