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Is there any point in doing IWTBH Ring of Blood arena? I thought the rewards are the same, except for an unimpressive increase in exp.

I heard that RoB Gods drop very nice Clear Bonus on IWBTH.


Just a rumor, that is all.

Once every blue moon, sure.
Best thing I got from IWBTH FSM was a couple of Magnifishit.

Once every blue moon, sure.
Best thing I got from IWBTH FSM was a couple of Magnifishit.

Well, at my level, a level 300+ Magnifishit is way better than what I am wearing now

IMO any essential prof. below 50% of your current level is dangerously low.
It indicate you're leveling too fast or you're lazy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot with Deprecating & Supportive that low.

So me being at 4.79 deprecating proficiency at my level is bad then?

So me being at 4.79 deprecating proficiency at my level is bad then?

Yes, yes it is. Mine was almost as bad at that level and when I accidentally faced FSM on nightmare, the deciding factor turned out to be the crap durations on my debuffs.

IWBTH Crude IW seems to be the accepted method to grind heavy melee proficiency, but I find myself having an easier and more efficient time grinding proficiency on Easy Crude IW, especially once I get to rounds with the full mobs.

With IWBTH Crude IW, I either escape by the 10th round, or I have to burn mana pots to stay alive.

With Easy Crude IW, I can last 100+ rounds, or more (not sure, don't have level 200+ Crude equips), gaining about 1~2 proficiency points for both 2H and Heavy Armour. An added advantage in Easy is that I gain EXP very slowly, so it's easier to bring my proficiency closer to my level.

Am I doing something wrong? My stats are as below. I'm using Power armour (to improve my accuracy, mostly) and a Longsword, with 0% evade and block.



And, yes, my deprecating proficiency is way, way too low (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

This post has been edited by radioactive28: Apr 14 2012, 08:37

IWBTH Crude IW seems to be the accepted method to grind heavy melee proficiency, but I find myself having an easier and more efficient time grinding proficiency on Easy Crude IW, especially once I get to rounds with the full mobs.

With IWBTH Crude IW, I either escape by the 10th round, or I have to burn mana pots to stay alive.

With Easy Crude IW, I can last 100+ rounds, or more (not sure, don't have level 200+ Crude equips), gaining about 1~2 proficiency points for both 2H and Heavy Armour.

Am I doing something wrong? My stats are as below. I'm using Power armour (to improve my accuracy, mostly) and a Longsword, with 0% evade and block.

That is why I suggested mace + preservation gear. You'll last *much* longer if you maximize preservation gear (mace stun and block from shield armor or evade from phase armor). When I grinded melee proficiencies I didn't use *any* mana potions. Illithid suffix on the mace helped out. High wis + evade phase armor helped too. Shield armor will drain your mana some but you can develop your heavy prof at the same time if you use it instead.

Doing crude is stamina inefficient but is a semi-viable method (if i remember right, easy difficulty has same damage as normal, just half the life?). Which means you'll eventually run up against 9 monster rounds where they actually hurt you. Which is the other reason I like IWBTH, because you stay on 1-3 monster rounds (you'll only do 1-2 rounds before escaping unless you pot up).

In fact, since giants are so rampant and full of life. The mace shines brilliantly by taking forever to kill the giant. Allowing you to farm up plenty of prof from an iwbth crude giant

Meh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Do you grind curative??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Here's mine. Very depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


Equipment proficiency
One-handed
38.72
Two-handed
75.74
Dual wielding
39.44
Staff
97.48
Cloth armor
104.12
Light armor
35.89
Heavy armor
69.25
Magic proficiency
Elemental
162.51
Divine
74.02
Forbidden
42.83
Spiritual
58.43
Deprecating
70.98
Supportive
112.13
Curative
98.07

That is why I suggested mace + preservation gear. You'll last *much* longer if you maximize preservation gear (mace stun and block from shield armor or evade from phase armor). When I grinded melee proficiencies I didn't use *any* mana potions. Illithid suffix on the mace helped out. High wis + evade phase armor helped too. Shield armor will drain your mana some but you can develop your heavy prof at the same time if you use it instead.

Doing crude is stamina inefficient but is a semi-viable method (if i remember right, easy difficulty has same damage as normal, just half the life?). Which means you'll eventually run up against 9 monster rounds where they actually hurt you. Which is the other reason I like IWBTH, because you stay on 1-3 monster rounds (you'll only do 1-2 rounds before escaping unless you pot up).

In fact, since giants are so rampant and full of life. The mace shines brilliantly by taking forever to kill the giant. Allowing you to farm up plenty of prof from an iwbth crude giant

Why phase? Why not shade?

shade is fine as well. as long as you emphasize the evade. i just don't see much use for it unless you plan on farming light armor prof. it's basically as useful as the shield armor in terms of farming ability. i'd still say phase is king though because of the 0 interference and +wis

Why phase? Why not shade?

More mana regen from wisdom bonus, less interference so you can keep your buff on more, and do less damage so you get more hits in per round, which is good since when grinding proficiencies, you want less rounds, less exp, and less stamina used.

Yes, yes it is. Mine was almost as bad at that level and when I accidentally faced FSM on nightmare, the deciding factor turned out to be the crap durations on my debuffs.

deprecating is the easiest one to grind though (compared to curative and supportive)

use high wis equips and high mana con focus staff, do easy crude/flimsy IW kill enemies except 1 then cast weaken repeatedly on it.
high CM chance helps a lot
use pot if you're not so cheap

This post has been edited by aiwotorimodose: Apr 14 2012, 10:08

Do you grind curative??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Here's mine. Very depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Equipment proficiency
One-handed
38.72
Two-handed
75.74
Dual wielding
39.44
Staff
97.48
Cloth armor
104.12
Light armor
35.89
Heavy armor
69.25
Magic proficiency
Elemental
162.51
Divine
74.02
Forbidden
42.83
Spiritual
58.43
Deprecating
70.98
Supportive
112.13
Curative
98.07

I feel shame for being a mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
My staff and cloth proficiency even lower than you

Staff:65.87
Cloth:102.10

deprecating is the easiest one to grind though (compared to curative and supportive)

Well, curative and supportive go up without much effort as you progress.

Let me rephrase this: you won't progress much without them going up.

Well, curative and supportive go up without much effort as you progress.

Let me rephrase this: you won't progress much without them going up.

Nah, you'll just use more mana. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Do you grind curative??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Here's mine. Very depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
~blah

While grinding melee (mostly 2H) profs, curative also gets grinded, since I just used mostly cure and rarely anything else, maybe regen2 when a spare channeling occur (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I feel shame for being a mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
My staff and cloth proficiency even lower than you

Staff:65.87
Cloth:102.10

Mine is the lowest:
Staff 35.67
Cloth armor 98.32

I won (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) ... or... lost? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Mine is the lowest:
Staff 35.67
Cloth armor 98.32

I won (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) ... or... lost? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

You can't beat me. :3

Staff 1.28
Cloth armor 58.96

You can't beat me. :3

Staff 1.28
Cloth armor 58.96

You aint a mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Nah, you'll just use more mana. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Which implies you're casting more curative and supportive spells, which in turn leads to grinding those profs more... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You aint a mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yeah, but till level 60 I was dumb enough to wear Silk of Protection set though... :< I still have a part of this old set in my inventory:

Fine Silk Cap of Protection
Fine Silk Pants of Protection
Superior Silk Shoes of Protection