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post Apr 7 2012, 23:05
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I'd like to know how to interpret those charts

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post Apr 7 2012, 23:47
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QUOTE(Muramasa777 @ Apr 7 2012, 17:05) *

I'd like to know how to interpret those charts


What don't you get? Unless you don't understand how level scaling works...
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post Apr 8 2012, 00:00
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QUOTE(Muramasa777 @ Apr 7 2012, 23:05) *

I'd like to know how to interpret those charts



Lets say you have a Fine Dagger of the Nimble

Using derpymal's Base Stat Calculator, we see the following base stat (as if the Dagger has Item Level of 0):
Weapon Damage: 16.38
Attack Accuracy Bonus: 22.99
Attack Critical Bonus: 2.08
Parry Chance: 11.25
Burden: 2.02
Interference: 5.09
Agility: 0.57
Dexterity: 0.67

Now, compare this Dagger to the chart for the min-max Derived Base (this column is what you should use if you aint math geek) range:
Weapon Damage: 10.03~19.50(since the Dagger isnt the Slaughter, use the Other)
Attack Accuracy Bonus: 17.04~27.09(Nor it is the Balance)
Attack Critical Bonus: 1.19~4.29(Again, not the Balance)
Parry Chance: 6.09~12.80(Use the Nimble)
Burden: 2.02~5.54
Interference: 2.04~6.11
Agility: 0.13~1.49(Since the Dagger isnt of the Raccoon nor of the Cheetah, use the Other)
Dexterity: 0.13~1.49

Basically, those stats tells how good the Nimble Dagger is at 0 Item Level and whether it is worth the trip into IW. So we want both Burden and Interference to be as close to min base as possible while other primary stats (For the Nimble Dagger, it is the Weapon Damage, Parry, and Dexterity) to be as max as possible.


Is this Dagger worth a trip into IW or sell to WTS instead of as another Bazaar bait? Yes, because from there we can see that the Dagger is:
Superior in Burden
Fine in Weapon Damage, Parry Chance
Average in Attack Accuracy, Agility and Dexeterity
Fair in Attack Critical
Crude in Inference

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post Apr 8 2012, 04:11
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does any1 still have eggs from last year and stuff?
cause i technically dont want to "waste" them by not having the full crystal perk... but if they magically ruin themselves... thats no good either

also, bump

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so http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulty#Challenge_Level
says that the difference between bt and iwtbh is .5 for dmg right? or does it mean they do x3 more dmg than on bt? cause i can do bt hourlies on my phone its so easy, but if i dont have my comp and a great deal of clicking iwtbh would take like 30 minutes to do

also, if a bt hourly takes me down to 50% its cause i got multiple crits in one turn, but rarely do i not see the entire % spectrum in a iwtbh.... so whats up with the dmg differentials?

also also, is it actually better to use sp shield if youre a heavy with maxed hp tanks? cause you end up reducing dmg so much that you face death by attrition much more than the normal chances of multiple small hits that end up killing you if you were to wear cloeather



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post Apr 8 2012, 04:13
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Apr 7 2012, 14:25) *

I still have that Rainbow Egg from last year.

I wonder when it will hatch and what will come out of it. Do we have to stick it up our asses sit on it or something ?

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post Apr 8 2012, 04:23
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Say,i equiped a shield (i.e 20% block) and a set of shield armor(i.e from head to feet 6% - 11% - 5% - 7% - 4%)

Now,should i want to upgrade the block chance,which one going to give me more block in total?

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post Apr 8 2012, 04:31
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QUOTE(hippossa @ Apr 6 2012, 20:19) *

so http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulty#Challenge_Level
says that the difference between bt and iwtbh is .5 for dmg right? or does it mean they do x3 more dmg than on bt? cause i can do bt hourlies on my phone its so easy, but if i dont have my comp and a great deal of clicking iwtbh would take like 30 minutes to do


From what I could understand of your concern, the damage increment is based on the difficulty after Normal. So IWBTH means monsters will do x3 more damage than monsters do at Normal, not x3 more than BT (though some high-level players have been asking for that change)

QUOTE(hippossa @ Apr 6 2012, 20:19) *

also, if a bt hourly takes me down to 50% its cause i got multiple crits in one turn, but rarely do i not see the entire % spectrum in a iwtbh.... so whats up with the dmg differentials?


It is just your bad luck that you got many crits in one-turn, consult to the RNG Goddess for it. Were it happened in IWBTH, chance is you will be dead before the turn end.


QUOTE(hippossa @ Apr 6 2012, 20:19) *

also also, is it actually better to use sp shield if youre a heavy with maxed hp tanks? cause you end up reducing dmg so much that you face death by attrition much more than the normal chances of multiple small hits that end up killing you if you were to wear cloeather

Depend on the situation, SP Shield is commonly used in the Hourlies and RoB, where Spirit Stance isnt being used as often. In fact, SP Shield is used more often by mages than by melee. With Regen II + Protection, Heavy armor users can simply laugh off the damage dealt. If you are worried about death, use Spark of Life.


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post Apr 8 2012, 04:33
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QUOTE(reinz springfield @ Apr 8 2012, 04:23) *

Say,i equiped a shield (i.e 20% block) and a set of shield armor(i.e from head to feet 6% - 11% - 5% - 7% - 4%)

Now,should i want to upgrade the block chance,which one going to give me more block in total?


Depend on your equipment's base block chance, but most likely your shield will have more than 20% base. From what I read in the wiki, the Forge adds 1% into the stat, so the upgraded shield will be 22%.

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post Apr 8 2012, 04:40
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QUOTE(Coma @ Apr 8 2012, 11:33) *

Depend on your equipment's base block chance, but most likely your shield will have more than 20% base. From what I read in the wiki, the Forge adds 1% into the stat, so the upgraded shield will be 22%.



Its 1% of base stat. so what u gain is if base is 10% u gain 0.1% block base

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post Apr 8 2012, 04:53
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QUOTE(Coma @ Apr 8 2012, 02:33) *

Depend on your equipment's base block chance, but most likely your shield will have more than 20% base. From what I read in the wiki, the Forge adds 1% into the stat, so the upgraded shield will be 22%.


QUOTE(ExTe @ Apr 8 2012, 02:40) *

Its 1% of base stat. so what u gain is if base is 10% u gain 0.1% block base


Hmm,im talking which upgraded piece would give more significant increase at the total block on character page.Or is it the piece with highest block?
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post Apr 8 2012, 04:57
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QUOTE(reinz springfield @ Apr 7 2012, 22:53) *

Hmm,im talking which upgraded piece would give more significant increase at the total block on character page.Or is it the piece with highest block?


Upgrading pieces with higher block (your shield) will increase your overall block more. However, it is hard to upgrade it too much. Your best off upgrading the piece that is furthest from the max block given in the equipment ranges page on the wiki.
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post Apr 8 2012, 04:57
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QUOTE(reinz springfield @ Apr 8 2012, 04:53) *

Or is it the piece with highest block?


In more technical term, it is the piece with highest base block.

If you dont know which has the highest base block, you can post your equipment here. We can help you find out.
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post Apr 8 2012, 05:01
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QUOTE(Coma @ Apr 7 2012, 22:57) *

In more technical term, it is the piece with highest base block.

If you dont know which has the highest base block, you can post your equipment here. We can help you find out.


It's going to be the shield (if that shield isn't an absolute pos) that always has the highest base block, and he's not talking about the forge, but buying better gear.
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post Apr 8 2012, 05:14
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If you shield have only 20% block, there's great room for improvement.
It depends on what types of shield you'll like to use though.

In fact, you're going to get the most block chance improvement from the one which has the greatest block differential with your current equip.
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post Apr 8 2012, 05:23
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QUOTE(Kaosumx @ Apr 8 2012, 02:57) *

Upgrading pieces with higher block (your shield) will increase your overall block more. However, it is hard to upgrade it too much. Your best off upgrading the piece that is furthest from the max block given in the equipment ranges page on the wiki.


QUOTE(Coma @ Apr 8 2012, 02:57) *

In more technical term, it is the piece with highest base block.
If you dont know which has the highest base block, you can post your equipment here. We can help you find out.


My shield have the highest base block.
I see,so the points are
-Dont bother with the armor
-Upgrade on the shield (which have highest base block)gives more overall block

QUOTE(Kaosumx @ Apr 8 2012, 03:01) *

It's going to be the shield (if that shield isn't an absolute pos) that always has the highest base block, and he's not talking about the forge, but buying better gear.


Hmm,i do talk about forging.Sorry for being not clear.

QUOTE(varst @ Apr 8 2012, 03:14) *

If you shield have only 20% block, there's great room for improvement.
It depends on what types of shield you'll like to use though.

In fact, you're going to get the most block chance improvement from the one which has the greatest block differential with your current equip.


Nah,it just an example.I'll keep the bolded one in mind.
Thanks everyone for the answer and advice.


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post Apr 8 2012, 05:30
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QUOTE(reinz springfield @ Apr 7 2012, 23:23) *

Hmm,i do talk about forging.Sorry for being not clear.


Gah >.>

Well yes, upgrading equipment with the highest base for anything is the best because its a 1 percent increase from your base.

Which means that it also won't do much unless your planning to do lots of upgrades.
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post Apr 8 2012, 05:34
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But then I won't suggest upgrading the shield. The limited use on shield means that you're going to waste your binging of barrier on it.
Better to go and upgrade that with 11% base block, because it has re-sale value.
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post Apr 8 2012, 06:37
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To farm credits, do you guys usually choose the Arena or Grindfest?
I feel like this is a really basic (and perhaps broad) question, but as I'm trying to boost my Rainbow Aura fund I'd like to make sure I'm being as efficient as possible.

Currently, I can do most, if not all, of my Arenas on Heroic. I haven't really measured how far into GF I can get on each difficulty, but during the feather hunt, I think I came close to 100 on normal (so presumably 60-80 on Heroic).

The most obvious answer seems to just do all my arenas and then do GF until I get into the stamina danger zone, but I'm kind of uneasy about the number of pots (outside of battle) doing all of my arenas would take.
Do you guys with the longer arena lists (preferably longer then mine) tend to just blow through your arenas or just pick the ones with the exp multiplier and move onto GF?
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post Apr 8 2012, 06:47
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QUOTE(Mr. Plow @ Apr 8 2012, 06:37) *

To farm credits, do you guys usually choose the Arena or Grindfest?
I feel like this is a really basic (and perhaps broad) question, but as I'm trying to boost my Rainbow Aura fund I'd like to make sure I'm being as efficient as possible.

Currently, I can do most, if not all, of my Arenas on Heroic. I haven't really measured how far into GF I can get on each difficulty, but during the feather hunt, I think I came close to 100 on normal (so presumably 60-80 on Heroic).

The most obvious answer seems to just do all my arenas and then do GF until I get into the stamina danger zone, but I'm kind of uneasy about the number of pots (outside of battle) doing all of my arenas would take.
Do you guys with the longer arena lists (preferably longer then mine) tend to just blow through your arenas or just pick the ones with the exp multiplier and move onto GF?


If credit is what you seek, then Heroic Arena and Heroic Crystalfest (sell crystals in WTS at 25/50c each). The method for Crystalfest is simple: try to go to the highest round you can and get killed, wait for the recover, then repeat.

Even though I dont have longer arena list than yours, I do the first 10 arena in IWBTH, the next 5 in Hard/Heroic, and the rest in Normal. If you can do Heroic on that level 200 arena, chance is, you can do IWBTH on the first 15 arena.

I never do the Grindfest, because it is most-inefficient for stamina (you will need the Great Stamina status for the damage and exp bonus in Heroic Arena)

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post Apr 8 2012, 07:53
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I just do trio & trees then seal power -> To Kill A God(as difficult as u can go for the credits gain) for the thropies and sell the lesser ones can make arnd 60-70k if u do them on hell mode.

then i do the first 10 arena on iwtbh. If theres still time left i will set to normal mode and blow thru the lesser arena's for easy 1000c without HV stat on(freaking slow).

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