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Mar 24 2012, 15:13
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Nguoivohinh
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Download this and install it to see the base stats of equipments https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=38143Then take a look at this page to know if your equips are good/bad http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_RangesYes. Mace can stun enemies, but in IWBTH random encounters, you wanna finish it ASAP (as soon as possible). @varst: I know you're reading this. And now I can somehow understand your feelings when you write something over and over and over again (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Edit: QUOTE(4EverLost @ Mar 24 2012, 15:12)  LOL, that is so not true. I sure have a hell of a time trying to do BT-IWBTH battles when they go into the +200 rounds as a mage, but with melee its like humm I didn't even use half of my pots.
4everlost bro, I know you can do that. But that is because your stats and your equips are all Godlike now, so with your overwhelming power, you can even do the battlecaster style at ease now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) This post has been edited by Nguoivohinh: Mar 24 2012, 15:17
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Mar 24 2012, 15:14
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 24 2012, 20:28)  ... My advice is that instead of Illithid, just take the weapon which you can deal the most damage. Because you'll use Infusion of Darkness anyway. Using Illithid weapon will just prolong the battle unnecessarily.
IPU is not that hard, bro. Just go with a thrice-blessed gear and your 2H weapon should be okay.
Basically there are 2 strategy: *cast whatever supportive spells you have*
1. Cast Poison, Silence, beat the pony unicorn to death. 2. Cast Poison, Weaken, Bewilder (full) and keep SoL on all the time. Bring 2~3 Godly Spirit Pots. IPU doesn't hit that hard!
Thanks for the advice, just too bad I dumped all my plate gear to the bazaar about a week back. I'll just have to make do with my power armor of protection/warding mix, & bring in my strongest mace (highest prof I have, > 100). BTW, will the above setup I've just mentioned also suffice for FSM (instead of Darkness, using Infusion of Divinity)?
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Mar 24 2012, 15:21
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nindel
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Question here.
Would the best way to grind levels be to Grindfest continuously, keeping Stamina always above 20, or should I wait for it to be above 80 for the 50% EXP boost, Grindfest until 80, and then wait for it to build up some more?
Also, it seems that Crysfest takes alot less Stamina than Grindfest, so for grinding levels fast would it make sense to go to Crysfest instead?
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Mar 24 2012, 15:24
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(cyberwaveIT @ Mar 24 2012, 20:14)  Thanks for the advice, just too bad I dumped all my plate gear to the bazaar about a week back. I'll just have to make do with my power armor of protection/warding mix, & bring in my strongest mace (highest prof I have, > 100).
BTW, will the above setup I've just mentioned also suffice for FSM (instead of Darkness, using Infusion of Divinity)?
Just normal plate is enough. I used to DW 2 clubs, 1 eth MH, wearing full shield plate. That was fun. 10% parry + 20% block chance is enough defense. 90% chance to hit because the MH was a balance club, 42% stun chance on hit = IPU/FSM stunned 90% of the time. When he's agitated, a godly HP pot would help. Of course, it's boring as hell doing it that way, but it's the most guaranteed win scenario IMO.
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Mar 24 2012, 15:44
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 24 2012, 13:13)  4everlost bro, I know you can do that. But that is because your stats and your equips are all Godlike now, so with your overwhelming power, you can even do the battlecaster style at ease now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) just doing T&T-BT is a pain now as a Mage, where doing it melee with normal stamina is very easy. And I don't have some godly eth scythe, I just use a none upgraded eth longsword of Balance. for melee all you need to do is use your skill every 11 rounds, and if you get hit too much all you need to do is change to a mace. oh and I don't think my Avg/Fine power armor count as goldy, and I only have 1 of Slaughter. My light isn't much better and all well below my level. What makes the difference is I have higher health and my stats are all much higher then my level making me harder to hit. I think a big part of lower level players is they try and play on difficulties higher then they should. If they were to grind more they could find more gear/credits/artifacts and then train so they can find more stuff or get more AP.
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Mar 24 2012, 15:44
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 24 2012, 21:24)  Just normal plate is enough. I used to DW 2 clubs, 1 eth MH, wearing full shield plate. That was fun. 10% parry + 20% block chance is enough defense. 90% chance to hit because the MH was a balance club, 42% stun chance on hit = IPU/FSM stunned 90% of the time. When he's agitated, a godly HP pot would help.
Of course, it's boring as hell doing it that way, but it's the most guaranteed win scenario IMO.
Thanks. I 'll try out with both 2H Mace & DW on IWTBH in the arenas/GF first. I need to get this right the first time, as I've only just enough ToB (for now). (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Mar 24 2012, 15:45
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eqwer
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@Nguoivohinh
92 11 You gain 347 Credits! 92 10 You gain 112875 EXP! 92 9 Kohryu dropped [3x Crystal of Finesse] 92 8 Mutant Peacock dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 92 7 Fire Fox dropped [Average Mace of Balance] 92 6 Ougon No Sika dropped [3x Crystal of Frost] 92 5 Aozora dropped [3x Crystal of Vigor] 92 4 Donvasyl dropped [Superior Wakizashi of the Raccoon] 92 3 You are Victorious! 92 2 Kohryu has been defeated. 92 1 You crit Kohryu for 2492 slashing damage. 91 3 You gain the effect Protection. 91 2 You cast Protection. 91 1 You gain 0.02 points of supportive magic proficiency.
i took your advice, filled some overcharge tank,
i survived this time, but i feel it is more about luck
scythe is good at the battle finishing phase, but at the begining-middle phase, is was very scary, mob just keep hitting me, that make me feel i can die anytime
======================= @4EverLost I think a big part of lower level players is they try and play on difficulties higher then they should. If they were to grind more they could find more gear/credits/artifacts and then train so they can find more stuff or get more AP. ----------------------------------------------------- this site was named "hentai", and i feel that is very true, the highest difficulty setting force people to think, to use their brain to find a way to survive, that is really a challenge, at lowest difficulty setting, people can just holding key 1, the game will keep going, that is boring and no fun at all
This post has been edited by eqwer: Mar 24 2012, 15:57
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Mar 24 2012, 15:53
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Hoheneim
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 24 2012, 12:11)  Oh c'monnnnn... Take a chill pill, bro. You like poking "brutish humour" at people, but you don't like taking one? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I'd say there's difference between poking fun and saying that I shouldn't force Etothex to do as I say... Expecially sisnce Etothex wasn't the subject of the little exchange between ChosenUno and me. QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 24 2012, 12:11)  I'd love to see your set then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) the Equipment Ranges would decide either my set is too crappy, or you're just too humble towards your Shade gear. And may I also ask what difficulty do you usually play? That'd also greatly affect your equipmentss choice. I think etothex doesn't play any difficulty lower than Heroic/Nightmare because I remember him saying that somewhere. I usually play Nintendo, because that way I don't use too many potions. But I also play IWBTH just for kicks, I just hate squandering my reserves. My shade gear is this: Superior Shade Helmet of the ArcanistSuperior Shade Breastplate of NegationSuperior Shade Gauntlets of NegationSuperior Shade Leggings of NegationFine Shade Boots of the FleetThe helmet is the most recent addition, the boots I honestly don't remember but they're just a "new" version of what I already had. The rest I've been wearing since before level 100 and it's Negation, which automatically makes it "meh" in anyone's book. Burden is 7.6(*), Resistance is 45%, Evade 24%. Good, but not outstanding. Anyone with some patience (and some savings) can put together a set with similar stats. (*) yes, most of it is "old" shade. I honestly don't think one needs elite gear to make Full Shade viable. It helps, of course, but it's far from being the only option.
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Mar 24 2012, 15:59
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Nguoivohinh
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QUOTE(cyberwaveIT @ Mar 24 2012, 15:14)  Thanks for the advice, just too bad I dumped all my plate gear to the bazaar about a week back. I'll just have to make do with my power armor of protection/warding mix, & bring in my strongest mace (highest prof I have, > 100).
BTW, will the above setup I've just mentioned also suffice for FSM (instead of Darkness, using Infusion of Divinity)?
Yes you can also kill FSM that way. Just that it'll take a little longer... QUOTE(nindel @ Mar 24 2012, 15:21)  Question here. Would the best way to grind levels be to Grindfest continuously, keeping Stamina always above 20, or should I wait for it to be above 80 for the 50% EXP boost, Grindfest until 80, and then wait for it to build up some more? Also, it seems that Crysfest takes alot less Stamina than Grindfest, so for grinding levels fast would it make sense to go to Crysfest instead?
1.The best way to grind level without losing much stamina, is IWBTH -> Crystfest. Oh and IWBTH Random Encounter too... 2. I usually play in Great Stamina QUOTE(4EverLost @ Mar 24 2012, 15:44)  just doing T&T-BT is a pain now as a Mage, where doing it melee with normal stamina is very easy. And I don't have some godly eth scythe, I just use a none upgraded eth longsword of Balance. for melee all you need to do is use your skill every 11 rounds, and if you get hit too much all you need to do is change to a mace. oh and I don't think my Avg/Fine power armor count as goldy, and I only have 1 of Slaughter. My light isn't much better and all well below my level. What makes the difference is I have higher health and my stats are all much higher then my level making me harder to hit. I think a big part of lower level players is they try and play on difficulties higher then they should. If they were to grind more they could find more gear/credits/artifacts and then train so they can find more stuff or get more AP.
Your level is so high now, that your strategy is almost completely dissimilar to us. With the AP tree completely filled (and I've seen your proficiencies, too), your style of playing is dramatically different than us now. And no, me and the guys I've been giving advices aren't 300+ level, you know (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) QUOTE(eqwer @ Mar 24 2012, 15:45)  i survived this time, but i feel it is more about luck scythe is good at the battle finishing phase, but at the begining-middle phase, is was very scary, mob just keep hitting me, that make me feel i can die anytime
Well, you can certainly do it if you bring 4~5 Godly Health Pots, then even without luck, them mobs can't do shit to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) This post has been edited by Nguoivohinh: Mar 24 2012, 16:04
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Mar 24 2012, 15:59
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 24 2012, 20:53)  I'd say there's difference between poking fun and saying that I shouldn't force Etothex to do as I say... Expecially sisnce Etothex wasn't the subject of the little exchange between ChosenUno and me. I usually play Nintendo, because that way I don't use too many potions. But I also play IWBTH just for kicks, I just hate squandering my reserves. My shade gear is this: Superior Shade Helmet of the ArcanistSuperior Shade Breastplate of NegationSuperior Shade Gauntlets of NegationSuperior Shade Leggings of NegationFine Shade Boots of the FleetThe helmet is the most recent addition, the boots I honestly don't remember but they're just a "new" version of what I already had. The rest I've been wearing since before level 100 and it's Negation, which automatically makes it "meh" in anyone's book. Burden is 7.6(*), Resistance is 45%, Evade 24%. Good, but not outstanding. Anyone with some patience (and some savings) can put together a set with similar stats. (*) yes, most of it is "old" shade. I honestly don't think one needs elite gear to make Full Shade viable. It helps, of course, but it's far from being the only option. Damn, that means my gear must suck. I can barely do Heroic arenas. So freaking stressful (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Mar 24 2012, 16:07
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eqwer
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Well, you can certainly do it if you bring 4~5 Godly Health Pots, then even without luck, them mobs can't do shit to you --------------------------
ehhhh, godly can only restore 30% health per turn, that will not save my ass when i in danger.......
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Mar 24 2012, 16:10
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(eqwer @ Mar 24 2012, 21:07)  Well, you can certainly do it if you bring 4~5 Godly Health Pots, then even without luck, them mobs can't do shit to you --------------------------
ehhhh, godly can only restore 30% health per turn, that will not save my ass when i in danger.......
No, you spam the godlies when your HP is low. Saves mana.
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Mar 24 2012, 16:23
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Nguoivohinh
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@Hoheneim: Oh that set is prettttty outstanding for our levels (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) no less than 700k in total, I assume? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Edit: typo >.< I mean 200k... *yawn* oh I think I'll leave the advising to you guys now... I'm off to sleep (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 24 2012, 15:59)  Damn, that means my gear must suck. I can barely do Heroic arenas. So freaking stressful (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Crap! Me, too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif). QUOTE(eqwer @ Mar 24 2012, 16:07)  Well, you can certainly do it if you bring 4~5 Godly Health Pots, then even without luck, them mobs can't do shit to you --------------------------
ehhhh, godly can only restore 30% health per turn, that will not save my ass when i in danger.......
When you're in danger, just use another Godly Pot that will overlap the existing one! Problems solved! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) This post has been edited by Nguoivohinh: Mar 24 2012, 16:26
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Mar 24 2012, 17:35
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TheGreyPanther
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 24 2012, 14:13)  Download this and install it to see the base stats of equipments https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=38143Then take a look at this page to know if your equips are good/bad http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_RangesYes. Mace can stun enemies, but in IWBTH random encounters, you wanna finish it ASAP (as soon as possible). @varst: I know you're reading this. And now I can somehow understand your feelings when you write something over and over and over again (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Edit: 4everlost bro, I know you can do that. But that is because your stats and your equips are all Godlike now, so with your overwhelming power, you can even do the battlecaster style at ease now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I use: Hentaiverse Equipment Comparison 0.3.7.6 to show base stats and compare stats for equipment. But I don't know who made it or where I found it. It works great but I'm not sure if it's updated to the latest patch? HV HUD - Equipment Stat Display 0.9.2 that you are linking to I haven't heard of. Does it only calculate base stats? I seems to have lesser functionally. It removes the scaling of overleveled equipment stats and it is not colour coded like Hentaiverse Equipment Comparison 0.3.7.6 is.
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Mar 24 2012, 17:50
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varst
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I like to use the equipment stat display (which is updated).
It's the max stat of equipment which is important, not the one you're using. And once you know which stats are important, you can easily click on an equipment to compare its stat with those max values.
And more importantly, I can see the equip's original stat. Which can be a real trouble when most of my equips are underleveled.
This post has been edited by varst: Mar 24 2012, 17:52
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Mar 24 2012, 18:43
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TheGreyPanther
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 24 2012, 16:50)  I like to use the equipment stat display (which is updated).
It's the max stat of equipment which is important, not the one you're using. And once you know which stats are important, you can easily click on an equipment to compare its stat with those max values.
And more importantly, I can see the equip's original stat. Which can be a real trouble when most of my equips are underleveled.
Generally the equipment I'm looking to buy is overleveled so I don't have the same problem as you. I compare the equipment I have to the one I'm looking to buy and not with some equipment that theoretically exist and might be better if I level them (which I don't) and I can't afford for that matter either. With Equipment Comparison: pressing q compare the stats of a piece of equipment to the one your currently using.  pressing w show basic stats just Equipment Stat Display compared below seems they show the same values. pressing e compare the basic stats of a piece of equipment to the one your currently using.  Equipment Stat Display is always on so you can't read the stats scaled to your level. Equipment Comparison ability to compare equipment without having to open a second window for you current gear comes in handy and the colour coding makes it easy to se which stats are better or worse. A pitty I don't know who to thank for it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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Mar 24 2012, 19:12
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Apocalypse Horsemen
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Thanks guys for all the advice rendered. Finally took on IPU. Next Target - FSM. 208 10 You gain 100075 Credits! 208 9 You gain 14897 EXP! 208 8 Your HP and MP have been fully restored! 208 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Healing]208 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Leather Helmet of the Wind-waker]208 5 Invisible Pink Unicorn dropped [Unicorn Horn]208 4 You are Victorious! Used 4x Godly Mana, 1x Scroll of Gaia, 1x Infusion of Darkness. Kept up Silence/Poison/SV/Regen/Haste. Forgot to activate Darkness until only 1/2 way thru'. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Used a 2H Mace, along with a mix set of Power Armor - Protection/Warding/Balance - Helmet / Body / Gauntlets / Leggings / Boots.
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Mar 24 2012, 19:56
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trikon000
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I'll have to wait to do what you did, almost out of freaking blood tokens. [ dl.dropbox.com] My IWBTH ROB done so far. How much overcharge do you get using the soul stone. I only got 1 and I don't want to use it just to find out; I want to use it on at least 1 of the last 3 ledgendaries in ROB. In the wiki, it says "lasts until the end of the battle series." In arenas, does that mean it ends when your done with the arena? Same with ROB? This post has been edited by trikon000: Mar 24 2012, 20:02
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Mar 24 2012, 20:19
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etothex
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QUOTE(eqwer @ Mar 24 2012, 05:41) 
are you weakening everything right after buffing? You can also poison the ones that you aren't in your domino radius. Bewilder the casters as well, if taking too many magic specials. QUOTE(TheGreyPanther @ Mar 24 2012, 09:43)  Generally the equipment I'm looking to buy is overleveled so I don't have the same problem as you. I compare the equipment I have to the one I'm looking to buy and not with some equipment that theoretically exist and might be better if I level them (which I don't) and I can't afford for that matter either. With Equipment Comparison: pressing q compare the stats of a piece of equipment to the one your currently using. pressing w show basic stats just Equipment Stat Display compared below seems they show the same values. pressing e compare the basic stats of a piece of equipment to the one your currently using. Equipment Stat Display is always on so you can't read the stats scaled to your level. Equipment Comparison ability to compare equipment without having to open a second window for you current gear comes in handy and the colour coding makes it easy to se which stats are better or worse. A pitty I don't know who to thank for it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) whoa didn't know about that. I'm always having to turn the extension off to view normalized stats; I'll have to try the one you use. QUOTE(cyberwaveIT @ Mar 24 2012, 10:12)  Thanks guys for all the advice rendered. Finally took on IPU. Next Target - FSM. 208 10 You gain 100075 Credits! 208 9 You gain 14897 EXP! 208 8 Your HP and MP have been fully restored! 208 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Healing]208 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Leather Helmet of the Wind-waker]208 5 Invisible Pink Unicorn dropped [Unicorn Horn]208 4 You are Victorious! Used 4x Godly Mana, 1x Scroll of Gaia, 1x Infusion of Darkness. Kept up Silence/Poison/SV/Regen/Haste. Forgot to activate Darkness until only 1/2 way thru'. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Used a 2H Mace, along with a mix set of Power Armor - Protection/Warding/Balance - Helmet / Body / Gauntlets / Leggings / Boots. Congrats. I have thrice and spirit plate in the shop if you need. Just my pref, 1h is easiest. club + infusion + shield bash = a lot of stuns + good damage. I waited til i had 50 prof so i had the vital strike combo too. Only took 2 potions. Used some scrolls of shadow/speed occasionally to help w/ mana. Bah i slept last night, so belated addition to shade talks. Here's a heroic hourly i just did. DWing eths, and full shade (4 fleet/1 SD) = 28.9% evade, + 31.4% parry +20%SV 1: Haste, 2: SV, 3: w/e. And then . . .  Even w/ all that avoidance, nearly 50% health gone in 1 turn. Regen and the rest of the battle was attack 2x, heal, Spirit when enough OC. Not pretty. When it got to 4 guys, it was easy. Sheer # of attacks from 10 guys is just too much for my level of evade. Remember one thing too, shade = no piercing mitigaton = die to piercing specials more often (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Not too high arenas are fine, since you start w/ only a few foes. But continuously fighting 7+ guys in an IW for instance, I definitely wouldn't choose full shade. I think this will go a bit better when I get regen2 (like varst suggested), so will try again then.
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