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post Mar 23 2012, 12:31
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 23 2012, 17:26) *

Don't bother trying it even after you burst through the 100 DW prof. By the time you're able to unleash Frenzied Blows in a random encounter the fight will be over, one way or the other.
And about the recent Gods' chit-chat, will you all ever learn to STHU? It's almost like you don't know what happens when people keep going on and on sayng such things. Heal tokens, anyone?


Meh. I used to be pissed at heal token changes, but now it's just meh.

After a certain amount of training, you don't even care how many pots you use.

Infusions and scrolls though, that's a different matter. I find their drop rates "lacking". I haven't used a single scroll in a long, long time. Too rare to use them inefficiently like that.
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post Mar 23 2012, 13:19
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 23 2012, 18:26) *

And about the recent Gods' chit-chat, will you all ever learn to STHU? It's almost like you don't know what happens when people keep going on and on sayng such things. Heal tokens, anyone?


I hope you can state clearly what you mean.
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post Mar 23 2012, 13:30
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Maybe he's worried that Big T might re-buff the Gods back.
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post Mar 23 2012, 13:37
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DW is rather terrible at random encounter compared to 2H ... Frenzied need more OC to use than Shatter (175 vs 100), Need a lengthy setup (and putting yourself at risk of death when battle at such high monster count & difficulty), Terrible dmg at low OC, Not safe after being use (unlike shatter), Doesn't proc anything (it just do damage), and most people are more familiar with 2H.

@cyberwaveIT

Judging from the fact that requesting for new, stronger boss hasn't been fulfill yet and the current Gods are getting weaker with every patch, he won't.

Then you have people being let down by how easy them Gods have become today. No wonder the 'How do I beat the legendary' thread is dying. It had been for more than a year now...

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post Mar 23 2012, 13:53
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Does wearing a proficiency set slow my proficiency gain rate, since proficiency rate is inversely proportional to proficiency?
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post Mar 23 2012, 13:56
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It still requires appropriate strategy/equips against gods, so it won't be OP.

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Does wearing a proficiency set slow my proficiency gain rate, since proficiency rate is inversely proportional to proficiency?


No, prof. from equipment is added independently.
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post Mar 23 2012, 14:01
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QUOTE(buktore @ Mar 23 2012, 19:37) *

@cyberwaveIT

Judging from the fact that requesting for new, stronger boss hasn't been fulfill yet and the current Gods are getting weaker with every patch, he won't.

Then you have people being let down by how easy them Gods have become today. No wonder the 'How do I beat the legendary' thread is dying. It had been for more than a year now...

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@cyberwaveIT
It still requires appropriate strategy/equips against gods, so it won't be OP.


Noted. I'm currently pleased with things are right now actually, but that's me.
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post Mar 23 2012, 14:19
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Is random encounter an hourly event (as its nickname hourlies suggests) or purely random one? Sometimes I can go by days before rolling a random encounter
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post Mar 23 2012, 14:24
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 23 2012, 12:19) *

I hope you can state clearly what you mean.


I thought that was pretty self-explanatory. cyberwaveIT pointed out part of it...

QUOTE(cyberwaveIT @ Mar 23 2012, 12:30) *

Maybe he's worried that Big T might re-buff the Gods back.


... the worrisome part, though, is Tenboro not buffing the gods back but weakening the players to achieve the same effect: "See? Now the Gods are a challenge again!"

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Feb 3 2012, 08:41) *

you might not like the fix...


I take those words to heart.

You can flex your virtual biceps in a million other ways, let sleeping gods lie.
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post Mar 23 2012, 14:51
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Calm down, you worried so much on this. I forgot to say that gods are just too OP back when I have to fight them.
Back then melees need a thousand rounds to beat FSM (with bleeding and poison), and mages can't even beat FSM without reaching lv.150 and having a good set of heimdall.
It isn't like you can just go in RoB at lv. 100 at kill all three gods without any preparation, so that should be fine.

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post Mar 23 2012, 15:03
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Yea. It still requires a lot of preparation and luck to kill a God, especially when you're around 100.

Tenb's new direction seems to be for everyone to play less rounds, but at a higher difficulty. Personally I like that.

Now if only he'd fix IW to be the same way>"<. So darn difficult to level up your equips, unless you have almost godly gear.
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post Mar 23 2012, 15:21
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 23 2012, 13:51) *

Calm down, you worried so much on this.


I'm afraid we don't get tongue-in-cheek remarks, here. You know, stuff like jokes, sarcasm, irony..

«No, no. We don't get that here. We haven't had any irony here since about '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being stared at.»
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post Mar 23 2012, 15:44
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I can't understand why you guys have that much trouble with IWBTH Random Encounters? Our levels are relatively equal too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif). For me usually it goes like this: Haste -> Shadow Veil -> Arcane Focus -> SoL -> Offensive Spells -> 2-3 Godly Health Pots with SoL procs 1-2 times. Mobs die in 8 turns (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


QUOTE(etothex @ Mar 23 2012, 10:55) *

I do fine on IWBTH hourlies as 2h-melee. It certainly takes longer though. 10 is gut-wrenchingly difficult, but less than that not so bad. Basically, weaken everything, bewilder mages or silence them, poison ones you will target last, and then build up spirit and finish off with spirit stance boosted shatter strike. 1 mana potion and a couple heal potions. Won't try dw til i get my prof up to 100.

I stopped though as frankly too much xp, and had too many runs w/ bad drops to want to bother.

Yeah! If you are completely devoted to training your proficiencies, then the random encounters aren't a good idea. In my case, I still do them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

QUOTE(eqwer @ Mar 23 2012, 11:00) *

turns out, FSM was easy to beat,


Congratulations! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


@Hoheneim: And... I still don't get your jokes... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) people can be mistaking it for an offensive statement if you don't use it properly, you know.

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post Mar 23 2012, 16:00
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 23 2012, 20:44) *

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I can't understand why you guys have that much trouble with IWBTH Random Encounters? Our levels are relatively equal too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif). For me usually it goes like this: Haste -> Shadow Veil -> Arcane Focus -> SoL -> Offensive Spells -> 2-3 Godly Health Pots with SoL procs 1-2 times. Mobs die in 8 turns (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Yeah! If you are completely devoted to training your proficiencies, then the random encounters aren't a good idea. In my case, I still do them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
Congratulations! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
@Hoheneim: And... I still don't get your jokes... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) people can be mistaking it for an offensive statement if you don't use it properly, you know.


I'm not having trouble with RE. Some people are, that's all.
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post Mar 23 2012, 16:02
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 23 2012, 14:44) *

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I can't understand why you guys have that much trouble with IWBTH Random Encounters? Our levels are relatively equal too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif). For me usually it goes like this: Haste -> Shadow Veil -> Arcane Focus -> SoL -> Offensive Spells -> 2-3 Godly Health Pots with SoL procs 1-2 times. Mobs die in 8 turns (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


We were talking about melee IWBTH hourlies, and it's not really a matter of having problems with it, it's more how much of an hassle they can be, as I explained.

QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 23 2012, 14:44) *

@Hoheneim: And... I still don't get your jokes... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) people can be mistaking it for an offensive statement if you don't use it properly, you know.


Brutish humor, you see...
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post Mar 23 2012, 17:52
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What difficulty should a lvl 30 be training at? Currently I'm trying Nightmare, which is quite tough without spirit. Normal difficulty seems like it takes too long though.
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post Mar 23 2012, 18:15
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QUOTE(Trolljain @ Mar 23 2012, 22:52) *

What difficulty should a lvl 30 be training at? Currently I'm trying Nightmare, which is quite tough without spirit. Normal difficulty seems like it takes too long though.


If you can, train in IWBTH / battletoads. Just clear 1 round is enough. Weaken everything and bash away. Use health potions when you need to.
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post Mar 23 2012, 18:21
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 23 2012, 18:15) *

If you can, train in IWBTH / battletoads. Just clear 1 round is enough. Weaken everything and bash away. Use health potions when you need to.


Just tried both, IWBTH completely destroys me first round, battletoads seems to give me less exp than nightmare overall cause I die sooner.
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post Mar 23 2012, 18:50
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QUOTE(Trolljain @ Mar 23 2012, 23:21) *

Just tried both, IWBTH completely destroys me first round, battletoads seems to give me less exp than nightmare overall cause I die sooner.


For me, train at the highest difficulty that you still can manage to clear at least 10 rounds (with maximum efforts of course)
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post Mar 23 2012, 18:53
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Do you have to level up your monster each time you gain an item? I ask because it seems to never bring me another item unless i spend some crystals on it.
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