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post Mar 19 2012, 09:47
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 19 2012, 15:33) *

You meant to say that spell is actually usable? It uses up the ever valuable (and equally rare) Coalescent Mana it needs to connect with a physical hit (which misses easily), the success rate is not even 100%, it doesn't even regen all that much MP, and throughout the process, you've lost enough HP that your stolen mp can't even compensate for a cure

How do you make it work?

Yeah and bad joke (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Not so bad I would say (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Ether theft is an art if you use it correctly. If you use that at incorrect timing or with insufficient support, it will become a curse.

Ether theft won't be that useful for those who're under lv. 200. But for those above lv.200, ET will eventually become an integral part of your gameplay in EOD arenas/long IWs/high difficulty.
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post Mar 19 2012, 10:21
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Honestly, is it because at >200 your defenses are actually enough to enable efficient ET??

So like > 30% evade + shadow veil or something + mob not agitated?
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post Mar 19 2012, 10:53
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 19 2012, 10:21) *

Honestly, is it because at >200 your defenses are actually enough to enable efficient ET??

So like > 30% evade + shadow veil or something + mob not agitated?


Actually, ET requires certain conditions (or like varst says, an art):
1. There can only be 1~2 mobs alive to start ET'ing. In high difficulty, if they all got critical hits, a mage still dies, simply because Mage can't withstand it, even with all that Spirit Shield and Spark of Life
2. The mobs must have high MP (of course). Usually a Rare boss or a School Girl will do.
3. They will use Concussive Strike to stun them. After that, cast Sleep? Again and again.
4. That's why it's long and boring. However, because we have no other way to gain enough mana to fight that ridiculous army of monsters, we have to accept it. No matter what you say to make it sound cool and stuff, I won't buy it, varst (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Mar 19 2012, 11:14
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 19 2012, 15:53) *

Actually, ET requires certain conditions (or like varst says, an art):
1. There can only be 1~2 mobs alive to start ET'ing. In high difficulty, if they all got critical hits, a mage still dies, simply because Mage can't withstand it, even with all that Spirit Shield and Spark of Life
2. The mobs must have high MP (of course). Usually a Rare boss or a School Girl will do.
3. They will use Concussive Strike to stun them. After that, cast Sleep? Again and again.
4. That's why it's long and boring. However, because we have no other way to gain enough mana to fight that ridiculous army of monsters, we have to accept it. No matter what you say to make it sound cool and stuff, I won't buy it, varst (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Hah, never thought about casting sleep. Interesting, thanks!

So it's rinse and repeat until mana full? lol.

But hey, at least ETing makes it *as* boring as meleeing XD.
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:19
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 19 2012, 19:53) *

Actually, ET requires certain conditions (or like varst says, an art):
1. There can only be 1~2 mobs alive to start ET'ing. In high difficulty, if they all got critical hits, a mage still dies, simply because Mage can't withstand it, even with all that Spirit Shield and Spark of Life
2. The mobs must have high MP (of course). Usually a Rare boss or a School Girl will do.
3. They will use Concussive Strike to stun them. After that, cast Sleep? Again and again.
4. That's why it's long and boring. However, because we have no other way to gain enough mana to fight that ridiculous army of monsters, we have to accept it. No matter what you say to make it sound cool and stuff, I won't buy it, varst (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


This sounds like a good cause to start learning Ajax to write auto-attack script lol
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:20
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Mar 19 2012, 08:53) *

Actually, ET requires certain conditions (or like varst says, an art):
1. There can only be 1~2 mobs alive to start ET'ing. In high difficulty, if they all got critical hits, a mage still dies, simply because Mage can't withstand it, even with all that Spirit Shield and Spark of Life
2. The mobs must have high MP (of course). Usually a Rare boss or a School Girl will do.
3. They will use Concussive Strike to stun them. After that, cast Sleep? Again and again.
4. That's why it's long and boring. However, because we have no other way to gain enough mana to fight that ridiculous army of monsters, we have to accept it. No matter what you say to make it sound cool and stuff, I won't buy it, varst (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


ah what? casting sleep would eat up all your mana, using Consussive strike will use up all your overcharge that can be used to cast spells for less mana.

if you need to regain a lot of mana using ET use weaken if you have to. But even vs schoolgirls that isn't needed if you play on the lower settings.
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:22
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 19 2012, 10:19) *
This sounds like a good cause to start learning Ajax to write auto-attack script lol

That sounds like an excellent way to get banned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Mar 19 2012, 12:26
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Mar 19 2012, 21:22) *

That sounds like an excellent way to get banned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


... darn it ....
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:39
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hey tiap, nice change of avatar. For some reason, it looks like its great for summer or fall (with its colors anyway). well thats not some reason but a reason. anyway...

Now back to business. I think I'd rather spend the mana pots because of the time used to ether theft constantly. But I guess if I want to level up some items through item world, ether thefting would be the only way >_>.
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post Mar 19 2012, 13:01
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Eventually you'll know how to ET efficiently.
It's like 'magic missile' -> "RRRRRRRR' -> hit with staff -> 'clickclickclick' -> 'magic missile' -> 'RRRRRRR'
Something like that. If you can press the R button fast enough it won't be a problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Mar 19 2012, 13:15
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QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 19 2012, 13:49) *

Also, just for future reference, is it okay to keep 2 spirit potions and the rest mana? Probably going to go with godly just incase for all. And I'll have the scroll of swiftness on for the double haste thing just to make sure spark doesn't go off to often. (and if its going off more times than expected, scrolls of life probably will be my new best friend).


Duh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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This has been my setup for years (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Mar 19 2012, 13:42
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 19 2012, 04:01) *

Eventually you'll know how to ET efficiently.
It's like 'magic missile' -> "RRRRRRRR' -> hit with staff -> 'clickclickclick' -> 'magic missile' -> 'RRRRRRR'
Something like that. If you can press the R button fast enough it won't be a problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Actually, if you use number hotkeys to hit with staff instead of click, R goes straight back into Magic Missile.
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post Mar 19 2012, 13:52
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Mar 19 2012, 04:15) *

Duh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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This has been my setup for years (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Thats just been my setup since i got spark. Otherwise it was all mana potions. Even as a melee. (because I just don't like the over flow that health pots gave).

And really, I meant that setup for the schoolgirls. I should be coming upon them soon enough. Just wanted to make sure that plan was still solid.

Also, you don't need hotkeys or anything. As long as magic missle was the last thing you used, you can keep pressing r after your done clicking. (or in some cases, I just hold the number button). After all, the wiki does say that r is to recast the last spell on the same target as before.

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post Mar 19 2012, 14:00
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I'm currently wielding a 2 hand fighter char (basically I-want-to-be-that-Guts, slaughtering monsters from left to right only using my sword).

What 2H weapon do you guys recommend I'd buy at my current Henjutsu Level? If you guys could redirect me to a decent one I'd be thankful. Credits are pretty much unlimited atm.
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post Mar 19 2012, 14:10
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QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 19 2012, 04:52) *
And really, I meant that setup for the schoolgirls. I should be coming upon them soon enough. Just wanted to make sure that plan was still solid.


For To Kill a God and higher? Yeah, two Godly Spirit Potions and the rest Godly Mana Potions should be fine. This is my default item setup too. Depending on how often Spark of Life triggers, you might have to make some adjustments until you get Spirit Shield. You can always ET Elementals and Celestials along the way to make up for having fewer Godly Mana Potions. Against the schoolgirls, you'll be putting either Weaken/Blind/Nerf or Silence/Nerf on the them anyway, so the amount of damage you'll take will be very minimal. Don't forget about abusing Ripened Soul as well, should you ever run out of Spirit Potions or when you don't feel like using one, although this method of SP recovery is a slow process; I think it makes ET seem fast.
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post Mar 19 2012, 14:20
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QUOTE(Fille84 @ Mar 19 2012, 05:00) *

I'm currently wielding a 2 hand fighter char (basically I-want-to-be-that-Guts, slaughtering monsters from left to right only using my sword).

What 2H weapon do you guys recommend I'd buy at my current Henjutsu Level? If you guys could redirect me to a decent one I'd be thankful. Credits are pretty much unlimited atm.

They should have plenty of weapons in the wts section.

As far as weapons go, either scythe or mace depending on what you want. I've heard light armor use mace so that you can kill them before you hit them. (because of the agility bonus). And heavy for the scythe because you want to use that bleed damage.

both of slaughter is prefferable. but of balance can be good if you keep missing.
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QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 19 2012, 10:39) *

Now back to business. I think I'd rather spend the mana pots because of the time used to ether theft constantly. But I guess if I want to level up some items through item world, ether thefting would be the only way >_>.


at what point do you start using ET? after you've used 13 godly mana pots or maybe after 13 mana elixirs?

you can do the schoolgirls without ET, but when you do them on higher settings you'll need to. When I do them on hard with normal stamina I use ET but I never cast MM when I do it.
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post Mar 19 2012, 14:25
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QUOTE(varst @ Mar 19 2012, 18:01) *

Eventually you'll know how to ET efficiently.
It's like 'magic missile' -> "RRRRRRRR' -> hit with staff -> 'clickclickclick' -> 'magic missile' -> 'RRRRRRR'
Something like that. If you can press the R button fast enough it won't be a problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I'd be surprised if there's other effective way to do it for light/dark set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Fille84 @ Mar 19 2012, 19:00) *

What 2H weapon do you guys recommend I'd buy at my current Henjutsu Level? If you guys could redirect me to a decent one I'd be thankful. Credits are pretty much unlimited atm.

I guess mace with atk bonus armor or scythe with good defense armor.

QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 19 2012, 18:52) *

And really, I meant that setup for the schoolgirls. I should be coming upon them soon enough. Just wanted to make sure that plan was still solid.

setup? I set 1 godly health, 2 greater spirit, 2 greater mana, 3 sup mana and 5 godly mana for all arena run (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Mar 19 2012, 14:25
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QUOTE(n125 @ Mar 19 2012, 05:10) *

For To Kill a God and higher? Yeah, two Godly Spirit Potions and the rest Godly Mana Potions should be fine. This is my default item setup too. Depending on how often Spark of Life triggers, you might have to make some adjustments until you get Spirit Shield. You can always ET Elementals and Celestials along the way to make up for having fewer Godly Mana Potions. Against the schoolgirls, you'll be putting either Weaken/Blind/Nerf or Silence/Nerf on the them anyway, so the amount of damage you'll take will be very minimal. Don't forget about abusing Ripened Soul as well, should you ever run out of Spirit Potions or when you don't feel like using one, although this method of SP recovery is a slow process; I think it makes ET seem fast.

Thanks. And I bet that process does make et seem fast. Thats why I figure I'll have the scroll of life just incase. As in if I'm only half way done and I already used one spirit pot, probably better to start using the scrolls.

I guess if I'm desperate, could always rely on ripened soul. Another just in case.

Does anything cancel nerf? I know silence cancels weaken and blind. But I believe I've nerfed/poisened/weakened/slowed down a boss before. Just thought incase I want to add some other deprecating crap. (I use slow on fsm when he is near death to make sure he doesn't kill all my sp and force me to use any more pots before he dies)

QUOTE(4EverLost @ Mar 19 2012, 05:22) *

at what point do you start using ET? after you've used 13 godly mana pots or maybe after 13 mana elixirs?

you can do the schoolgirls without ET, but when you do them on higher settings you'll need to. When I do them on hard with normal stamina I use ET but I never cast MM when I do it.

I just do it whenever. Like if there is one critter left on the field and they have coalesced mana, I don't see any reason to not smack it. Either it dies from smacking, or I get some mana and it dies from magic missle.

Other than that, haven't really felt a need to et.

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post Mar 19 2012, 14:48
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QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 19 2012, 19:25) *

Does anything cancel nerf? I know silence cancels weaken and blind. But I believe I've nerfed/poisened/weakened/slowed down a boss before. Just thought incase I want to add some other deprecating crap. (I use slow on fsm when he is near death to make sure he doesn't kill all my sp and force me to use any more pots before he dies)

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells#Stacking
only x-nerf overwrites nerf, and both just do the same
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