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Mar 17 2012, 18:27
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trikon000
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level and have the AP to put into X-Nerf and X-Magic first, you really don't need cure 3. Then take on the trio, you will do better with those abilities first. Buff Spells going in: Haste S.V. S.S. SoL Regen II Arcane Focus The way I beat them was this order: Cast X-Nerf Cast Silence on all of them. Cast Poison on all of them. Spam the spell Soul Harvest until they die, cast Cure I/II when needed. [ dl.dropbox.com] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12315555/trio_001.pngI'll probably go back and get absorb for higher difficulties of the trio. This post has been edited by trikon000: Mar 17 2012, 18:37
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Mar 17 2012, 18:39
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(trikon000 @ Mar 17 2012, 23:27)  level and have the AP to put into X-Nerf and X-Magic first, you really don't need cure 3. Then take on the trio, you will do better with those abilities first. Buff Spells going in: Haste S.V. S.S. SoL Regen II Arcane Focus The way I beat them was this order: Cast X-Nerf Cast Silence on all of them. Cast Poison on all of them. Spam the spell Soul Harvest until they die, cast Cure I/II when needed. [ dl.dropbox.com] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12315555/trio_001.pngI'll probably go back and get absorb for higher difficulties of the trio. Thanks a lot, good thing I saved a bunch of AP ready to put in to those slots (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I don't currently have any soul spell though, will element rotating work? Since each one of them is weak against one element but resistant against all others. This post has been edited by LangTuTaiHoa: Mar 17 2012, 18:41
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Mar 17 2012, 18:48
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trikon000
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They all fall to Soul Harvest, they will all take damage from it once the tree dies first. You open up yourself to getting a beat down if you focus on one of them at a time with elemental spells. You only want to get the clear bonus first time around then you can try elemental the second time around and see how you do. The majority of boss monsters are weak to Soul, thats why I went the Holy/Dark route and a single Elemental for running around. These were my stats going into the trio: [ dl.dropbox.com] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12315555/stats_lvl200.pngThis post has been edited by trikon000: Mar 17 2012, 19:02
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Mar 17 2012, 19:54
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(trikon000 @ Mar 17 2012, 23:48)  They all fall to Soul Harvest, they will all take damage from it once the tree dies first. You open up yourself to getting a beat down if you focus on one of them at a time with elemental spells. You only want to get the clear bonus first time around then you can try elemental the second time around and see how you do. The majority of boss monsters are weak to Soul, thats why I went the Holy/Dark route and a single Elemental for running around. These were my stats going into the trio: [ dl.dropbox.com] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12315555/stats_lvl200.png44 14 You gain 50431 Credits! 44 13 You gain 24173 EXP! 44 12 Your HP and MP have been fully restored! 44 11 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood] 44 10 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Cotton Cap of the Spirit-ward] 44 9 You have obtained the title: Godslayer 44 8 Skuld dropped [Average Mana Potion] 44 7 Yggdrasil dropped [Sapling] 44 6 Verdandi dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 44 5 You are Victorious! Hm, element rotation actually worked, though a little slow. That tree got fallen pretty quick of my elec AoE, and same to those remaining. The last one was a little harder because of all the buffs from others, but not that bad. I actually didn't bring any soul spell in (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Mar 17 2012, 20:01
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trikon000
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you'll probably need it for higher difficulties probably.
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Mar 17 2012, 20:28
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aiwotorimodose
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QUOTE(HDMI009 @ Mar 17 2012, 19:37)  I've tier-2 elemental/holy spells already maxed. Would it be advisable to invest in the tier-1 Soul Reaper/Harvest spells at my current level.
you don't really need soul based spell for like another 150 lv (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 17 2012, 20:33)  I'm reading this article on the wiki page and I'm a little confused. . Is it true that true equipment of 2 different levels, both higher than mine, would give me the same benefits, assuming they have the same base stats? And considering that the one of higher level has higher burden and interference, the lower might actually be more beneficial. Can someone correct me? for most stat yes, you gain the same scaled point with the same base value for different level eq. burden and interference however didn't scale, higher lv eq should be have a higher burden and interference (if any). @LangTuTaiHoa It's better to use rotation than tier 1 soul spell. This post has been edited by aiwotorimodose: Mar 17 2012, 20:30
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Mar 17 2012, 20:40
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etothex
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Mar 17 2012, 07:01)  Edit: question: just noticed my curing gets much stronger when I'm using my katalox staff. One katalox cure regains me nearly the same amount of one ebony cure2, although I am not noticing much difference (if at all) in curative and supportive prof between wearing the 2 sets. How can this be?
Think they missed the edit, so I'll answer. Cure series of spells (not regen) factor in holy edb, which should be on your katalox staff. It's a (1+edb/100) bonus, so it adds more than curative proficiency, which is (1+ prof/200) bonus.
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Mar 17 2012, 23:16
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eleeinos
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Does anyone think it's a good idea to keep raising the level of these two items and upgrading them in the Forge? I was saving up all my loot for whenever I found Exquisite+ equivalents, but seeing that such drops are almost impossible to get, I'm just thinking of doing what I can with these two. Still, I'm worried that their stats aren't that good, even for Superior items.. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (L237 Breastplate has lower ADB than L198 Gauntlets..) Superior Shade Breastplate of the ShadowdancerSuperior Shade Gauntlets of the Shadowdancer
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Mar 18 2012, 00:13
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smilejb
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Hey, if you think you won't get anything better for the longest time, why not? Though I would hold out for something better. And this isn't really a question, just a statement. Thought I would say that after testing 2 staffs, I have to say that mana conservation is really worth it. my focus staff is in my sig and here is the destruction staff. Both superior. Ebony is good for my elementailist style maging. And redwood in general is never preferred. I get more 1 shots with the destruction obviously, but I end up using more mana pots in the long run. Focus is not impossible to get one shots but conditions have to be right. So yea, I encourage you grandmasters to test this. However this is only on normal/hard that i experimented. I never have a problem with my redwood on iwbth though.
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Mar 18 2012, 00:23
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Slobber
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Damage is king for me. If it means the difference between 2 spells and 4 we're talking about another spark triggering
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Mar 18 2012, 00:32
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buktore
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Mar 18 2012, 04:16)  Does anyone think it's a good idea to keep raising the level of these two items and upgrading them in the Forge?
IMO... No.
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Mar 18 2012, 01:09
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eleeinos
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QUOTE(buktore @ Mar 18 2012, 00:32)  IMO... No.
Honestly, I think so too. :\ But they're still the best Shade pieces I've had in those 251 levels and I don't seem to be able to find anything better... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) And I don't plan on buying one from the forum for dozens of thousands of credits just to gain +5 damage and get an extra +0.31% Evade... QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 18 2012, 00:13)  Hey, if you think you won't get anything better for the longest time, why not? Though I would hold out for something better.
Most likely I'll get bored of the game long before something better comes my way. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Mar 18 2012, 01:16
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smilejb
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Mar 17 2012, 16:09)  Honestly, I think so too. :\ But they're still the best Shade pieces I've had in those 251 levels and I don't seem to be able to find anything better... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) And I don't plan on buying one from the forum for dozens of thousands of credits just to gain +5 damage and get an extra +0.31% Evade... Most likely I'll get bored of the game long before something better comes my way. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Well looks like you've already decided then huh? if you just need confirmation, go for it. I plan on basically doing the same thing when I have enough materials. Basically the best things I have I'll just upgrade and level up. I'm waiting till i can level up a whole set of phazon fenrir or heimdal (not sure which yet), and either a katalox of focus or destruction. not sure which yet for those too. probably for the phazons, whichever I have more of. QUOTE(dcherry @ Mar 17 2012, 15:23)  Damage is king for me. If it means the difference between 2 spells and 4 we're talking about another spark triggering
Normally I'm the same way. But if it means I can last that much longer then I'll switch over. But like i said before, haven't really tested it for the harder difficulties. imo I think destruction is better for that. If your using scrolls or infusions, you get more effect for its duration and what not. (like the swiftness, nice to know everything will die just that much sooner, meaning you get to an extra wave or 2 before you have to use it again). And I'm sure if you had full ia, there wouldn't be much need for a focus staff. This post has been edited by smilejb: Mar 18 2012, 01:21
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Mar 18 2012, 01:51
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buktore
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Mar 18 2012, 06:09)  Honestly, I think so too. :\ But they're still the best Shade pieces I've had in those 251 levels and I don't seem to be able to find anything better... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) FYI, I don't even bother forging my armor even though its stats are better than yours, hence my opinion. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) QUOTE(eleeinos @ Mar 18 2012, 06:09)  And I don't plan on buying one from the forum for dozens of thousands of credits just to gain +5 damage and get an extra +0.31% Evade...
Those upgrade would cost you (in terms of material's market value) pretty much the same amount of money anyway, if not more! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by buktore: Mar 18 2012, 01:53
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Mar 18 2012, 02:14
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eleeinos
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QUOTE(buktore @ Mar 18 2012, 01:51)  FYI, I don't even bother forging my armor even though its stats are better than yours, hence my opinion. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Those upgrade would cost you (in terms of material's market value) pretty much the same amount of money anyway, if not more! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Nah, they wouldn't cost me anything, I'm only saving up stuff my "monsters" bring me, I don't buy loot from other players. I only bought a few Negation/Raccoon Bindings from the Bazaar a few weeks ago and that was it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And I haven't seen your gear but I get your point. I guess I can wait another 10 levels or so, and if Superior Shade is all I still have by then, I'll just upgrade it with whatever loot I have and be done with that. I suppose it won't hurt to waste that loot now. If I ever get a Magnificent Shade I'll definitely be level 400+, which means I'll have stocked up a lot more loot by then. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by eleeinos: Mar 18 2012, 02:16
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Mar 18 2012, 02:33
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skillchip
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QUOTE(smilejb @ Mar 17 2012, 23:16)  Well looks like you've already decided then huh? if you just need confirmation, go for it.
I plan on basically doing the same thing when I have enough materials. Basically the best things I have I'll just upgrade and level up. I'm waiting till i can level up a whole set of phazon fenrir or heimdal (not sure which yet), and either a katalox of focus or destruction. not sure which yet for those too. probably for the phazons, whichever I have more of. Normally I'm the same way. But if it means I can last that much longer then I'll switch over. But like i said before, haven't really tested it for the harder difficulties. imo I think destruction is better for that. If your using scrolls or infusions, you get more effect for its duration and what not. (like the swiftness, nice to know everything will die just that much sooner, meaning you get to an extra wave or 2 before you have to use it again). And I'm sure if you had full ia, there wouldn't be much need for a focus staff.
I still wonder if he is going to put mana conservation on all staffs (make it stronger for focus), non-staffs, or possibly cloth, and add a binding for it
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Mar 18 2012, 02:45
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smilejb
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I wish he would add a binding for mana conservation. But because of that, we probably won't get one >_>.
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Mar 18 2012, 03:20
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Mar 18 2012, 07:33)  I still wonder if he is going to put mana conservation on all staffs (make it stronger for focus), non-staffs, or possibly cloth, and add a binding for it
We already have it in the form of 0 interference, no?
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Mar 18 2012, 03:22
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holy_demon
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What would be a good elemental combination for beginner mage? I'm currently playing Fire + Lightning, but Ligthning + Wind seems pretty awesome to me. At least I wouldn't be squirming in fear whenever a blue slime appears (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 18 2012, 03:22
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Mar 18 2012, 03:26
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smilejb
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those are the 2 combinations I would suggest. lightning first to decrease their evasion then fire for the splosion. or wind so they can miss more often (plus giants and dragons are weak against it I believe), and then lightning for the splosion.
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