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You may want to rethink being a full-time IWBTH player.
Thanks to the beloved HP buff, the more you level up, the harder the game becomes.
At your level IWBTH is more or less like the old BT (except monsters hit a bit harder), but things are going to change fast.

^Oversoul: Erm... you might want to cast Bewilder on the Elemental mobs, since their magical attack can easily 1-hit K.O us at this level... and weakens on the rest. That's all, I think.

I meant: how do you know you are facing an elemental? Is there any way to tell except scan?

Well, the main reason why i mainly IWBH is because it is, exp-wise, the fastest mode. Besides, there's also the Stamina issue, i always tend to stick above 80 sta :3

Good to know that Tenb seem to succeed in confusing people. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

He's incredibly amazing, don't you think? To be able to create such an unbelievably sophisticated and magnificent system like this.


Ermm... this is a little off but, why hasn't anyone requested Tenboro to make a hotkey for the skills melee usually use (other than that A key) since I notice we use it pretty often (especially DW and 1-hand)


Edit:

I meant: how do you know you are facing an elemental? Is there any way to tell except scan?

Oh it's easy... just take note at the chart where it shows the entire battle. If some mob hits you with fire/cold/wind/elec damage then that's the Elemental and it's begging to die fast

This post has been edited by Nguoivohinh: Mar 9 2012, 16:36

I meant: how do you know you are facing an elemental? Is there any way to tell except scan?

uh, just scan it. trial and error is always the best (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Well, the main reason why i mainly IWBH is because it is, exp-wise, the fastest mode. Besides, there's also the Stamina issue, i always tend to stick above 80 sta :3

but you'll also getting so little drops. not that it matter if you can generate cred by other means for training.

Oh it's easy... just take note at the chart where it shows the entire battle. If some mob hits you with fire/cold/wind/elec damage then that's the Elemental and it's begging to die fast

Oh, i see, never really notice that cause i never look at it, button bashing ftw :3

uh, just scan it. trial and error is always the best (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
but you'll also getting so little drops. not that it matter if you can generate cred by other means for training.

Well, the drops i get now aren't really that much worth, so my main objective is to level fast. But it seems like i overestimated a mage's leveling speed. At this rate on IWBH, it's much slower than meelee.
Any leveling tips at my level maybe? :3


Also, do you mages actually mage use of ET? I steal ~25 mana in 2 turns (with 1 mob alive), at the same time get damaged 1k+. And my heal which costs 40 mana actually heals less than 1k. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Somehow, i get this feeling that I am doing something wrong

IMO you can choose to focus or not. There won't be a great difference at your level.
By the way, do you mean WIS instead of INT? Becuase that's where your MP comes from.

Oh, I thought I saw more mp gain from adding INT.

edit : I suppose that means there would be a greater difference at higher levels

This post has been edited by Naughty Boy: Mar 9 2012, 17:09

Any leveling tips at my level maybe? :3
Also, do you mages actually mage use of ET? I steal ~25 mana in 2 turns (with 1 mob alive), at the same time get damaged 1k+. And my heal which costs 40 mana actually heals less than 1k. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Somehow, i get this feeling that I am doing something wrong

As for ET, use that in early rounds/lower difficulty when mobs don't hit you that hard.

And utilize mages strength. If you know you can clear things much faster at lower difficulty, keep on doing that.
Think about it: if you can clear 10 rounds with 6 monsters in average on normal difficulty, that's about the same amount of EXP you will get from 1 round with 2-3 monsters on IWBTH.
If you use about the same time (1 minute?), then your EXP/min would be about the same as a melee.
While you're going to spend more MP and stamina, you're also getting more drops and credits.

Oh, I thought I saw more mp gain from adding INT.

Nah, WIS gives you 3 MP per 4 points, while INT gives you 1 MP per 4 points.

This post has been edited by varst: Mar 9 2012, 17:06

I'm trying to decide which of these two plate armors have a better overall protection against physical and magical attacks.
This one has higher outright mitigations, but lower damage type mitigations:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=82f10584d6

and this one has higher damage type mitigations, is somewhat less compromising (-2.29 burden and -2.32 interference), and has a much higher endurance bonus
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7ddd991911

Which one of these would you recommend I use in order to survive as long as possible, factoring in things like number of rounds?

@oversoul
ET also depends on your staff, I'd rather spent more pot than doing it with my 26% 2t staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
you can also try ET on last monster on a certain round, just make sure it is not a deadly one and don't left them in agitated state (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


@tentacle
I'd choose the last one, but lets just wait for melee experts

This post has been edited by aiwotorimodose: Mar 9 2012, 18:24

As a mage doing hourly IWBTH, there are a couple of things you should keep in mind:

1. SoL is a must! Get it and max it out and USE IT!
2. After SoL triggers for the first time, you *need* to use a Superior Spirit pot right away, followed by a health pot. Reason being that you'll probably have X-item, and that's 2 turns regenerating spirit for SoL.
3. Meanwhile, blast them with your strongest elemental spells. Don't forget to use explosions for even more damage.
4. You should be able to kill everything within 4 SoL procs. Mana may become an issue, but just use 1 mana pot and things will be rosy.

Suggested buffs: Spark of Life, Haste, Arcane Focus.
Optional buffs: Shadow Veil.

As for doing IW IWBTH, just weaken everything and blast away. Use regen + cure or use health pots. You'll have too many of those anyway.

As for ET, use that in early rounds/lower difficulty when mobs don't hit you that hard.

And utilize mages strength. If you know you can clear things much faster at lower difficulty, keep on doing that.
Think about it: if you can clear 10 rounds with 6 monsters in average on normal difficulty, that's about the same amount of EXP you will get from 1 round with 2-3 monsters on IWBTH.
If you use about the same time (1 minute?), then your EXP/min would be about the same as a melee.
While you're going to spend more MP and stamina, you're also getting more drops and credits.
Nah, WIS gives you 3 MP per 4 points, while INT gives you 1 MP per 4 points.

This might be true for mage (normal) vs mage (IWBH). But certainly not mage (IWBH) vs meelee (IWBH) at my level.
I just tried 10mob rounds, get 1-1.5k exp. (i would need 1k rounds to level up). As meelee, i needed ~10seconds seconds button bashing with 2-3 mobs to gain 20k exp(80+sta), use 1 greater health pot/2 rounds.

@oversoul
ET also depends on your staff, I'd rather spent more pot than doing it with my 26% 2t staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
you can also try ET on last monster on a certain round, just make sure it is not a deadly one and don't left them in agitated state (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
@tentacle
I'd choose the last one, but lets just wait for melee experts

However i say it myself, my Staff is quite sexy
Oh well, the mana's not the problem, the health is :3

This might be true for mage (normal) vs mage (IWBH). But certainly not mage (IWBH) vs meelee (IWBH) at my level.
I just tried 10mob rounds, get 1-1.5k exp. (i would need 1k rounds to level up). As meelee, i needed ~10seconds seconds button bashing with 2-3 mobs to gain 20k exp(80+sta), use 1 greater health pot/2 rounds.

Well then...how about you level up as melee and play mages sparingly?

This might be true for mage (normal) vs mage (IWBH). But certainly not mage (IWBH) vs meelee (IWBH) at my level.
I just tried 10mob rounds, get 1-1.5k exp. (i would need 1k rounds to level up). As meelee, i needed ~10seconds seconds button bashing with 2-3 mobs to gain 20k exp(80+sta), use 1 greater health pot/2 rounds.

What patch was this under? I feel like when people try to judge how they used to be it's really hard to make a fair comparison since the patches change a whole lot and now with the HP buff there are plenty of altercations that happen with level too.

I think I read here that proc duration can change with level, did I make that up or is it true?
I found this http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a49c87d897 in the bazaar, and though leveling it will be a pain it may be worth it until I can get a good ethereal.

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im melee , what shall i do
shall i spent ability for some AOE spell? does one hit KO all mob on normal?
does my equip suck? its all new shade of arcanist
in arena i use niten , in rob i use duel wield
any suggest please ... teach me master

^I guess it's true what you say. Not that i can say anything about it since i just started HV. I feel as if i should choose whether to mage or meelee based on what i want to do. As they serve for totally different purposes. They're more like 2 different professions, rather than 2 classes. That being said, this is only my personal observation at my level range.
Either way, mage is more fun and has more variety :3

^I guess it's true what you say. Not that i can say anything about it since i just started HV. I feel as if i should choose whether to mage or meelee based on what i want to do. As they serve for totally different purposes. They're more like 2 different professions, rather than 2 classes. That being said, this is only my personal observation at my level range.
Either way, mage is more fun and has more variety :3

If you're in it strictly for the good XP to time to stamina ratio. Play Crystalfest at IWBTH — monsters start at half strength and gain one percent of it back per lvl, just restart after completing ten or so. Of course, say goodbye to credits and drops.

But why I'm here is: what is the Loot Quality mod for beating a Boss-class at IWBTH in the Ring of Blood? And what is the Normal mod for beating Flying Spaghetti Monster? Also, around which level should a IWBTH clear of Spaghetti Monster should be attempted and what's the mod on that? ( Just trying to figure out best way to get high quality stuff).

I think I read here that proc duration can change with level, did I make that up or is it true?
I found this http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a49c87d897 in the bazaar, and though leveling it will be a pain it may be worth it until I can get a good ethereal.

Refer here, doesn't apply to mace/club though.
And I think you can get better maces from WTS.

im melee , what shall i do
shall i spent ability for some AOE spell? does one hit KO all mob on normal?
does my equip suck? its all new shade of arcanist
in arena i use niten , in rob i use duel wield
any suggest please ... teach me master

Mages may kill with one hit, but it requires some better equips and at higher level you can no longer do so.
Can't say much on equips unless I can see them.
You should use weaken/silence. They're good against bosses and above.
Also, I'm not sure if you need that many SP tanks. You may invest those in excess into overcharge.

This post has been edited by varst: Mar 9 2012, 20:29

Ahh thanks, I'll check that out.
This is actually what I'm using now
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=caa4aedbc5
and at the time it was the best I could do outside of auction (where I still get outbid pretty quickly). I suppose I'll have another look around, though I gotta say my first priority is to get rid of these
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cdd04d0758 XD
All the shade I've gotten from drops have had a lower evade then these somehow..

This post has been edited by Mr. Plow: Mar 9 2012, 20:50

For mace strategy is better Power or Shield armor?