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post Feb 23 2012, 13:39
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Does anyone know if there exists a list of how many crystals each Primary Stat and Elemental Defense level costs? I seem to recall seeing one on this forum somewhere, but I can't find it. I'm trying to figure out how many crystals I'll need to finish off my Daimon for the time being (this is probably not a good idea because I bet that it will be a demoralizing amount).

I know there are formulas on the wiki, but...lazy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


[docs.google.com] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...ZfaTdUTWc#gid=0
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post Feb 23 2012, 13:51
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Thanks! More than 50,000 crystals to get Elemental Defenses to where I want them to be. This will take a while. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Feb 23 2012, 14:54
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Hmm... I asked this before but it seemed to be lost. What are good places to get equips? (Other than buying from other players)

There's Shrining, but what about other methods? Finishing an arena will eventually yield some equips, but at what arena challenges do the equips get good and at what difficulty?

I also heard IW on the later rounds was good too, but do items get better at later rounds or is it just because there are more monsters, so there's a better chance something will drop? Why IW anyways opposed to Grindfest and Crysfest?

Right now, I can't even imagine facing a mob of 4 monsters on IWBTH unless I'm in a Crude equipment.
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post Feb 23 2012, 17:00
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How useful is the protection spell for cloth armour?

Do I need to keep Shadow Veil on at all times?

On many occasions when I get hit by the mobs, they take away a big chunk of my HP.
I even get KO when my health was hovering about 70%.

Any advice on how to survive longer?

Any specific type of cloth armour I should try to get? My current set is of elemental/fox mix.
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post Feb 23 2012, 18:13
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QUOTE(HDMI009 @ Feb 23 2012, 07:00) *

How useful is the protection spell for cloth armour?

Barely.

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Do I need to keep Shadow Veil on at all times?

Yes but Haste gets the higher priority.

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On many occasions when I get hit by the mobs, they take away a big chunk of my HP.
I even get KO when my health was hovering about 70%.

Any advice on how to survive longer?

Spark of Life / Scroll of Life.

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Any specific type of cloth armour I should try to get? My current set is of elemental/fox mix.

Phase.
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post Feb 23 2012, 18:40
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Feb 24 2012, 00:13) *

Spark of Life / Scroll of Life.


Thanks for answering my queries.

It's still quite a long ways for me to obtain Spark of Life, & the Scrolls of Life are not that easy to come by. Moreover, it's quite expensive to buy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Feb 23 2012, 22:11
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 23 2012, 07:54) *

Hmm... I asked this before but it seemed to be lost. What are good places to get equips? (Other than buying from other players)

There's Shrining, but what about other methods? Finishing an arena will eventually yield some equips, but at what arena challenges do the equips get good and at what difficulty?

I also heard IW on the later rounds was good too, but do items get better at later rounds or is it just because there are more monsters, so there's a better chance something will drop? Why IW anyways opposed to Grindfest and Crysfest?

Right now, I can't even imagine facing a mob of 4 monsters on IWBTH unless I'm in a Crude equipment.


The info in the wiki is said to be outdated, but I would assume it would still hold true in some way or another.

Later arenas and higher difficulties contribute to a better chance of getting good equipment, but in no way guarantees it. (Otherwise, higher leveled players wouldn't need to worry about equipment at all and could get rich absurdly easily selling OP stuff.) Just play at whatever difficulty suits you. Trying to play at a higher than usual difficulty just for a chance for better equipment will likely lead to unending amounts of frustration.

Grindfest and IW back then had the same bonus to the item quality back then, and without Stamina at the time, I can't say why one would have been preferred over the other. These days, if they still have the same bonus, I would imagine IW is preferred because it consumes less stamina. Crysfest is out of the question since apparently no equipment drops in it.
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post Feb 24 2012, 04:33
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QUOTE(HaliZorat @ Feb 23 2012, 20:11) *

Grindfest and IW back then had the same bonus to the item quality back then, and without Stamina at the time, I can't say why one would have been preferred over the other. These days, if they still have the same bonus, I would imagine IW is preferred because it consumes less stamina. Crysfest is out of the question since apparently no equipment drops in it.


Quality bonuses should still be the same across the three. Reason to play Grindfest over IW is that Grindfest gives credits, and Grindfest over Crysfest cause of equipment
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post Feb 24 2012, 04:47
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My question is who have most expensive equipment in Hentaiverse. without credit perk.

I have Superior Katalox Staff of Destruction which bazaar cost is 64,250c.

i wonder what is cost of exquisite Kata-lox or Kevlar or shade .
If anyone have then please reply .
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post Feb 24 2012, 05:16
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Hey, was thinking about doing some level grinding because I have been pretty much staying around the same area and I really want arcane focus. So my question is, why do people choose crude equips on item world to level grind?

I tried it myself and compared it to grindfest on iwbth for both. I got more exp in grindfest then item world. But of course my survivability was higher in item world. I'm thinking maybe it has to do with the stamina? I've never had it below great status though.
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post Feb 24 2012, 06:17
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QUOTE(smilejb @ Feb 23 2012, 19:16) *

So my question is, why do people choose crude equips on item world to level grind?

It's the only place left where you can crank up the difficulty without it being so punishing.
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post Feb 24 2012, 06:26
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Don't you get worse drops in Crude equipment though?
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post Feb 24 2012, 06:28
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Something like this or should I just get something from the bazaar?
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post Feb 24 2012, 06:30
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 23 2012, 20:26) *

Don't you get worse drops in Crude equipment though?

You do it for EXP, not drops. Can't get all the advantages in one place!

QUOTE(trikon000 @ Feb 23 2012, 20:28) *

Something like this or should I just get something from the bazaar?

That's fine.

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post Feb 24 2012, 08:02
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Hmm... In that case, how does the quality in differing IW compare with the quality of items in Grindfest and Arena? Would IWBTH in a Average Equipment have the same quality as IWBTH Grindfest drops and would anything above Average yield any better drops?
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post Feb 24 2012, 08:13
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I was unable to find anything relating quality bonuses to the quality of the item world, so I think it only matters how far you go in, so a crude IW would be better to farm for drops then a legendary because of the decreased damage from monsters.

This is going off of the quality formula that was proposed a long time ago that Tenboro said looked about right. The only thing that matters in GF/IW is the round number and difficulty (and a few others that you cant control).

The estimated end formula from the wiki is:
Loot_quality = Initial_quality_roll(1-1000) + (Difficulty_bonus + Round_bonus + Monster_stat_bonus + Arena_bonus) * Difficulty_factor * (1 + Luck_of_the_Draw_level * 0.01)

Though I think its a bit different then that, with difficulty bonus not being multiplied by the difficulty factor (why double dip) and that it was derived before Item World was implemented, so only how far you go actually matters! (looks like a reason to start grinding your flimsy/crude IW's for the drops instead of whatever else you were doing)

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post Feb 24 2012, 08:29
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Alright, awesome =D. I've actually been purposely gimping my own equipment so that each battle would take longer and I get more proficiency out of each battle so that my proficiency doesn't fall too far behind my level, but later, I'll try my slightly better gear (because who am I kidding? All my gears suck) and see if I can get far in IWBTH Crude.
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post Feb 24 2012, 10:12
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QUOTE(wrinty @ Feb 24 2012, 01:29) *

Alright, awesome =D. I've actually been purposely gimping my own equipment so that each battle would take longer and I get more proficiency out of each battle so that my proficiency doesn't fall too far behind my level, but later, I'll try my slightly better gear (because who am I kidding? All my gears suck) and see if I can get far in IWBTH Crude.


I would personally just suggest using your best equipment. Unless you play in the higher difficulties constantly, there will be some point where you level up at a rate slow enough that your proficiencies will mostly catch up. For instance, my DW and Light Armor prof are maxed out constantly, while my magic profs lag somewhat behind. For DW and Light Armor, I've never had to farm their proficiencies at all, despite my DW and Light Armor initially being very far behind (due to me mixing armor types and switching between 1H and DW).

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post Feb 24 2012, 10:32
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I just had a few questions that I would like to have answered.

1. Why after sifting through some posts is it that I so often see people being told to change to being a Mage?
Is it actually better? Should I change as well?

2. What armour is better Light or Heavy?

3. What is a good stat distribution for Melee? (For Mage would be nice as well for reference)

Thank you in advance.
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post Feb 24 2012, 10:46
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QUOTE(Tensinohikari @ Feb 24 2012, 16:32) *

I just had a few questions that I would like to have answered.

1. Why after sifting through some posts is it that I so often see people being told to change to being a Mage?
Is it actually better? Should I change as well?

2. What armour is better Light or Heavy?

3. What is a good stat distribution for Melee? (For Mage would be nice as well for reference)

Thank you in advance.


1. Mages did clear things faster when you're at some 250 levels, but now you'll have a hard time to start as a mage (because of monster hp buff and evade nerf)

2. You can take either of them, just make sure that you don't mix light with heavy to lose the full-suit bonus.
As a starter you can pick some kevlar or plate of protection to boost your physical defense.

3. At your level, the easiest way to do is to balance everything out.
You may keep DEX (for mages) or INT (for melees) a bit behind, but balancing everything at your level won't hurt.
Once you are more familiar with the game, you can start to decide if:
you want more physical damage (STR)
you want to have better accuracy (DEX)
you want to act faster/slower (AGI)
you want more defense and hp (END)
you want more magical damage (INT)
you want more MP (WIS)
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