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What he said.

Daggers kick FAR more ass than Scythes do, even though Scythes have better ATK DMG by factors of almost ten-to-one compared to Daggers, and many of them have Bleed DMG values even higher than many of the best Axes out there.

Why??

Because Scythes, in general, have virtually NO Attack Accuracy.

But don't take my word for it; go buy a cheap Scythe and a cheap Dagger, take them both into battle on separate occasions, and see how far each type of weapon gets you.

I haven't scrolled back up to your last Post, buktore, but I guess that you're fairly new to HV and ATK ACC doesn't matter all that much yet and you can wipe out mobs with your bare hands at 100% Hit Rate.

That will change for you before very long, if it hasn't already.

People much smarter than you say you are wrong about the relative value of damage and accuracy.

The 5 best bleed axes I've seen. I own 4 and 5. Yes, I've offered insane amounts of credits for the top 3. Blade's axe is the only one I've seen at my level that has 4 turns, and the only one with over 88 damage.
1 25% 4T 102D
2 23% 3T 88D
3 22% 3T 80D
4 21% 3T 80D
5 20% 3T 71D

Yawn on all 5 of those. I've seen much better.

The 5 best bleed axes I've seen. I own 4 and 5. Yes, I've offered insane amounts of credits for the top 3. Blade's axe is the only one I've seen at my level that has 4 turns, and the only one with over 88 damage.
1 25% 4T 102D
2 23% 3T 88D
3 22% 3T 80D
4 21% 3T 80D
5 20% 3T 71D

I'm had a little disappointment, I have the same answer:

Yawn on all 5 of those. I've seen much better.

Mine and sayo's have already the same bleed as the number 2 can give, but less chance though, and marcho's is the best I already seen (it would give me above 200 per tick when I was about 80s levels and I only get the same with mine now with +40 levels above)

Your axe link? I'm only talking about after scaling.

Mine is this one
You can see sayo's one here:

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You can see marcho's one here:

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Edit: don't bother asking prices for them, because none of us will sell until we can have better.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 12 2010, 01:52

Your axe link? I'm only talking about after scaling.

I up scaled the first one and it came out to 360 per tick at the level of my axe. That is nice, yes, but: 1) It is low level. That means you would have to level it constantly for it to be useful at higher levels. 2) It is not that much better than things I've found. (admittedly they don't usually have the % and turns of that, but, I suspect I could find something comparable if I really cared to.)

I don't even want them. They all scale to something crappy.

I don't even want them. They all scale to something crappy.

What are you talking about? We are only taking about bleeding, and it's the only thing that matters to us, since axes are only good to use against the gods.

As in, if I saw those axes in a shop, due to scaling on the bleed I wouldn't give them a second glance.

I don't even want them. They all scale to something crappy.

Marcho's axe is by far the best I've seen. By FAR.

As in, if I saw those axes in a shop, due to scaling on the bleed I wouldn't give them a second glance.

You lying there, since mine and sayo's axe have the same bleeding tick that your number 2 have.
And marcho's one that's already answered:

Marcho's axe is by far the best I've seen. By FAR.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 12 2010, 02:06

When I look for items I only pay attention to the after scaling stats. They would be good ones if I saw them after another 70 or levels.

My axe is a pretty cool dude, eh kills legendaries and doesn't afraid of anything.

When I look for items I only pay attention to the after scaling stats. They would be good ones if I saw them after another 70 or levels.

What? Every guy does. Scaling is linear you know, if they have have the same bleeding at level 1, then at level 250 they still have the same.

Double post since no one seem to post yet

Finally I got a MBP after getting flames of loki mastered, and finally it's easy to kill that bastard (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I was losing hope since with all the ratings I have from elec, dalek is still a pain in the ass using chain lightning, I thought I had to wait until level 170 or something.

Now what should I do first:
-Get the rest of fire rating (from 3rd tier, and I don't have the 2nd tier yet)
-Get both tiers of holy with the ratings
-Get both tiers of cold with the ratings
-Get soul spell with the rating maxed? (I don't know if is more effective against the bosses)

The reason I ask about ATK damage is because it seem that people care more about proc chance or something else instead, especially rapier. then again, I forget that most people are mage...

You're aware that the off-hand gets a +50 parry bonus, while the damage multiplier is cut by half?
bdw show your badass bleeding axe please.

Edit:
Actually 2W with this main-hand Rapier and using an off-hand dagger one this 2:
Nimble dagger
Slaughter Dagger
I got a very similar result (actually I don't know which is better)

Nice rapier you got there (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

My rapier is not to shabby too! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) when this one scale to 2 turn, I might switch.

For Off hand.. I got lots of option.. (all of them have OK parry)

of Balance = High Crit, High ACC

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cfd6a72e0e
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cf0b676194
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d8d5269fea
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=15a4103018 <<< need moar leveling.

of Slaughter = High DMG

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=353fe2bd2e
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8d8ac92aa5

of Nimble = Parry

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=bb188369e6 <<< Not that good..
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0f259cce09 <<< also need moar leveling...

For the axe, I have some decent one, nothing like those 400-500 bleed of course.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fbc51c4a95
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=72659009be
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1f840f9a59
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=87b66c97cc
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=703cacd5cf

As always, all of these came from bazaar so it must be someone else junk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Apr 12 2010, 16:16

The reason I ask about ATK damage is because it seem that people care more about proc chance or something else instead, especially rapier. then again, I forget that most people are mage...

I'm not a mage, just currently maging for my own benefit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

My rapier is not to shabby too! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) when this one scale to 2 turn, I might switch.

yep, switch all right.

For Off hand.. I got lots of option.. (all of them have OK parry)

Balance don't use, not worth it the extra crit, and the more you level up less effective the acc bonus is. (until it become useless)

of Slaughter = High DMG

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=353fe2bd2e
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8d8ac92aa5

of Nimble = Parry

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=bb188369e6 <<< Not that good..
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0f259cce09 <<< also need moar leveling...

If you want is more killing speed use the 2nd slaughter one, when you got the 2nd nimble more leveled up, use if you want more protection.

For the axe, I have some decent one, nothing like those 400-500 bleed of course.

bdw, they don't even drop anymore.

Axes only for RoB really, the only situation I could use an axe is in this situation:
High damage Axe + High damage Axe/Club
Main-Hand Axe
Off-hand Club
I have +71,7% attack damage bonus and that give me almost 1 hit-KO at all normal mobs, and because of off-strike 1/3 of time I kill in 1-shot.
But if I reset my abilities tree and swap the AP I have in offensive spells, and fill up the SP+OP I could get enough power to kill all normal mobs in one shot, and that's the most faster DW can do, until you level up a little more, fill all the SP+OP and with a Rapier of Slaughter it can be even faster by killing mini-bosses/bosses faster.

Still niten can be faster, and maging is even more faster.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 12 2010, 17:22

My axe is a pretty cool dude, eh kills legendaries and doesn't afraid of anything.

That is pretty good. I prefer mine due to the length of its bleed, but whatever.

Now what should I do first:
-Get the rest of fire rating (from 3rd tier, and I don't have the 2nd tier yet)
-Get both tiers of holy with the ratings
-Get both tiers of cold with the ratings
-Get soul spell with the rating maxed? (I don't know if is more effective against the bosses)

What spells do you currently have?
To properly mage you need:
Maxed everything in lightning.
Either tier 2 or 3 of Holy, Fire, and Ice.
That should be enough to kill every enemy you'll find until To Kill a God at 180 when you'll need to pick up wind to beat Konata.

That is pretty good. I prefer mine due to the length of its bleed, but whatever.
What spells do you currently have?
To properly mage you need:
Maxed everything in lightning.
Either tier 2 or 3 of Holy, Fire, and Ice.
That should be enough to kill every enemy you'll find until To Kill a God at 180 when you'll need to pick up wind to beat Konata.

I have tier 1 for fire/elec, tier 2 of elec all with ratings maxed.
I also have now tier 3 of fire without the rating yet.
My intension is to max all spells except dark until l170 were I have the last tier of elec, but for now since I don't access to it and tier 3 of cold I wanted to know which approach I should do for now.
Gaining new AP in the next few days it will be easy since ability boost still cost +6000C for now, and this is for the bosses mostly, and that's why I also included the soul spell since they're weak to soul damage.

Yep I have so much to do, and I even want to fill up OC later.

My intension is to max all spells except dark until l170.

That is possible, but that would take a lot of AP to do. I think I might show my Ability tree later.

and that's why I also included the soul spell since they're weak to soul damage.

They aren't weak to them. They just aren't resistant to them.

Yep I have so much to do, and I even want to fill up OC later.

I don't think thats even possible.

I don't think thats even possible.

I don't know either, but I'm not in a hurry to level up, so I won't fill up the XP tanks (saving a lot AP in there), and of course I have to get/buy lots of artifacts first.

Edit: I can already kill daleks with chain lightning already I'm such a dummy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Well I guess I start to fill 2nd tier of cold and holy for now, and leave the fire rating for later.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 12 2010, 19:32