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post Jan 27 2012, 17:37
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Can someone explain more about the Ability Reset thing? I've read some and what I think is this:
_ Once I click it, it costs me some credits (0 for now)
_ It immediately removes all my upgrades (except these: Item Slots, Aura Slots, X-Abilities, Scroll Slots, Infusion Slots, and Focused Auras. (from ehwiki))
_ All those upgrades will be converted back to ability points for me.
_ I will be able to immediately re-use all the ability points for a different set of upgrades.

Is there anything I misunderstood? Is there any disadvantages/drawbacks in doing an ability reset? Can I accidentally mess something up that can't be reversed?

Also, here are my abilities right now:

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I'm doing ok as a mage, but is there anything crucial that I should focus on? Thanks a lot.

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post Jan 27 2012, 17:52
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Jan 27 2012, 17:37) *

Can someone explain more about the Ability Reset thing? I've read some and what I think is this:
_ Once I click it, it costs me some credits (0 for now)
_ It immediately removes all my upgrades (except these: Item Slots, Aura Slots, X-Abilities, Scroll Slots, Infusion Slots, and Focused Auras. (from ehwiki))
_ All those upgrades will be converted back to ability points for me.
_ I will be able to immediately re-use all the ability points for a different set of upgrades.

Is there anything I misunderstood? Is there any disadvantages/drawbacks in doing an ability reset? Can I accidentally mess something up that can't be reversed?

Also, here are my abilities right now:

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/n5Jua.png)

I'm doing ok as a mage, but is there anything crucial that I should focus on? Thanks a lot.


The only thing you can't undo is removing ability points from those exceptions you listed. So if you reset your abilities and spend 2 points to "buy" aura slots then next time you reset you won't get back those 2 points and you'll be "stuck" with those aura slots you bought. Other than that you can reset as many times as you like, provided you have enough credits to do so.
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post Jan 27 2012, 18:22
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Jan 27 2012, 23:37) *

Also, here are my abilities right now:

I'm doing ok as a mage, but is there anything crucial that I should focus on? Thanks a lot.


If you need more AP, train ability boost till 40~50/100. Yours should be at 9/100 right now?

Filll your HP tanks first. Bread and butter for your survival.

Don't pick elemental resistance, don't pick SP tank (yet).

Pick 1 in poison only, pick 5 in weaken, pick 5 in SV (lower priority because of evade nerf)

Pick holy against schoolgirls in ROB at lv. 75 (or you can choose to fight them at lv. 90 with holy tier 2)
Also pick scroll slots when you plan on fighting ROBs.

Remove tier 1 elemental spells if you already have tier 2.
OR Try to notice the spells you don't often use and remove them for APs to put into tanks.

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post Jan 27 2012, 18:37
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Jan 27 2012, 22:52) *

The only thing you can't undo is removing ability points from those exceptions you listed. So if you reset your abilities and spend 2 points to "buy" aura slots then next time you reset you won't get back those 2 points and you'll be "stuck" with those aura slots you bought. Other than that you can reset as many times as you like, provided you have enough credits to do so.


Thanks.

QUOTE(varst @ Jan 27 2012, 23:22) *

If you need more AP, train ability boost till 40~50/100. Yours should be at 9/100 right now?

Filll your HP tanks first. Bread and butter for your survival.

Don't pick elemental resistance, don't pick SP tank (yet).

Pick 1 in poison only, pick 5 in weaken, pick 5 in SV (lower priority because of evade nerf)

Pick holy against schoolgirls in ROB at lv. 75 (or you can choose to fight them at lv. 90 with holy tier 2)
Also pick scroll slots when you plan on fighting ROBs.

Remove tier 1 elemental spells if you already have tier 2.
OR Try to notice the spells you don't often use and remove them for APs to put into tanks.


I'm at 12/100 ability boost and still training up.
Are spells like haste, protection, shadow veil,... useful? Should I max them or just 1 point each? Thanks.
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post Jan 27 2012, 20:01
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Is Arcanist a better alternative to Shadowdancer now that Shade has no Burden?
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post Jan 27 2012, 20:20
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Jan 27 2012, 23:37) *

Thanks.
I'm at 12/100 ability boost and still training up.
Are spells like haste, protection, shadow veil,... useful? Should I max them or just 1 point each? Thanks.

haste and sv is good, max them for doubled duration.
protection isn't giving a great bonus with low def/no def armor. pick only for heavy armor.
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post Jan 27 2012, 20:35
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Jan 28 2012, 00:37) *

Thanks.
I'm at 12/100 ability boost and still training up.
Are spells like haste, protection, shadow veil,... useful? Should I max them or just 1 point each? Thanks.


(I probably will be ninja'ed)

Meh, I added up your APs and deduct them from your current level shown in the left panel, so errors are bound to occur (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

If you want to take any spells, you should always max them to increase the duration.
Maxing out offensive AOR spells also decrease its casting cost and increase its power.
The lone exception is poison because of its rediculously long duration. You should max it only when you're fighting gods.

I eventually need to do that, so I better give my brief idea now.
Please give me rebuttals if you have different opinion.

(It's just so long, I put that in some other place again)
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post Jan 27 2012, 22:39
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 27 2012, 11:35) *

Shadow Veil

Gives you 20% increment in evade.

Since it depends on your CURRENT evade (which in turn depends on your burden), extra burden means SY is more inefficient


I believe its SV
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Spkies
I believe is supposed to be spikes.

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post Jan 28 2012, 14:03
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ Jan 27 2012, 16:37) *

Can someone explain more about the Ability Reset thing? I've read some and what I think is this:
_ Once I click it, it costs me some credits (0 for now)
_ It immediately removes all my upgrades (except these: Item Slots, Aura Slots, X-Abilities, Scroll Slots, Infusion Slots, and Focused Auras. (from ehwiki))
_ All those upgrades will be converted back to ability points for me.
_ I will be able to immediately re-use all the ability points for a different set of upgrades.

Is there anything I misunderstood? Is there any disadvantages/drawbacks in doing an ability reset? Can I accidentally mess something up that can't be reversed?

nope, you got it right.
The only thing you can mess up is by putting too many points into infusions and scroll slots.
Item slots you need because they only refill once you are out of battle, but infusion and scroll slots refill immediately, so you only need more 1 of those slot, if you are planning on bringing more than one type of infusion/scroll.
And since infusions/scrolls aren't used all that much, I've settled for just one slot for each, and I've barely even used those.
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post Jan 28 2012, 14:47
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Say, I have 2 weapons, 1 Superior/1 Exquisite, with identical damage bonus at the same level.

Question: Do I get the same amount of dmg bonus per upgrade for both or the Exquisite may get more (~5%?) ...?
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post Jan 28 2012, 15:06
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You should get the same bonus, since they have the same base.
The forge modifies the base value only; there's no other factors which affect this modification.

Exquisite already get its bonus when it base is rolled.
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post Jan 28 2012, 15:17
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I hope so...

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post Jan 28 2012, 15:26
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 28 2012, 14:47) *

Say, I have 2 weapons, 1 Superior/1 Exquisite, with identical damage bonus at the same level.

Question: Do I get the same amount of dmg bonus per upgrade for both or the Exquisite may get more (~5%?) ...?



How much less does it cost to upgrade the superior one?
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post Jan 28 2012, 15:32
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Jan 28 2012, 21:26) *

How much less does it cost to upgrade the superior one?


Not 100% verified version, but you can refer to ballistic9's table here

If you're serious enough to ask what that means by quality, here's my guess
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post Jan 28 2012, 15:46
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 28 2012, 15:32) *

Not 100% verified version, but you can refer to ballistic9's table here

If you're serious enough to ask what that means by quality, here's my guess


I was more interested in the specific case at hand, but thanks for the references.

I asked because if buktore was unsure between the two, maybe the difference in cost wasn't really much.

And one should consider that the exquisite arms have less burden/interference and usually higher secondary stats (at least in my experience).
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post Jan 28 2012, 18:04
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I was worried more about the stats (i.e. - will my lower quality but good stats become as good as exquisite+ when upgrade?), doesn't really care about the cost that much. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 28 2012, 18:20
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How should my play style change after lv130 with arcane meditation?
Then, I won't need my ebony staff of focus.

Then, how should I change up my equipments? Would I still use my elementalist set and use lightning-fire aoes in battle? Or would I change my equipment to get divine/dark prof and use those two in battle?

Is there one generic path that all mage follow or are there some choices that I could make?

I know I should change up my equipment to phase to restore my evade, but I want to know which suffix to get so I get the phases with the right profs.
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post Jan 28 2012, 18:30
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QUOTE(king zeal @ Jan 28 2012, 20:20) *

How should my play style change after lv130 with arcane meditation?
Then, I won't need my ebony staff of focus.

Then, how should I change up my equipments? Would I still use my elementalist set and use lightning-fire aoes in battle? Or would I change my equipment to get divine/dark prof and use those two in battle?

Is there one generic path that all mage follow or are there some choices that I could make?

I know I should change up my equipment to phase to restore my evade, but I want to know which suffix to get so I get the phases with the right profs.

I'm not a mage, but I'll advise you to get a good Destruction staff (at least Redwood, preferrably Ebony, or even Katalox). But other questions I'll leave to mages.
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post Jan 28 2012, 19:06
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QUOTE(king zeal @ Jan 29 2012, 00:20) *

How should my play style change after lv130 with arcane meditation?
Then, I won't need my ebony staff of focus.

Then, how should I change up my equipments? Would I still use my elementalist set and use lightning-fire aoes in battle? Or would I change my equipment to get divine/dark prof and use those two in battle?

Is there one generic path that all mage follow or are there some choices that I could make?

I know I should change up my equipment to phase to restore my evade, but I want to know which suffix to get so I get the phases with the right profs.


1. Take a destruction staff with high MDB (32 or above).
If you want to use elemental spells, pick ebony. If you want to use holy/dark spells, wait till lv.150 and pick katalox.
Redwood would be your last resort, and I don't recommend that.

2. You should change your clothes to EDB phases. Choose to focus on one elements to achieve max power.
Elementals -> cost less mana, but more resistance from monsters.
Holy/dark -> cost more mana, but you only need to rotate among two elements.

I'm not sure if wearing demon-fiend/heaven-sent still works, since you'll lose some evade.
But they're good and cheap alternatives when you can't find EDB holy/dark suits.(because they can be quite expansive)

3. Basically you just choose between elemental and holy/dark, though most high-level mages expertize in both of them.

4. Suffix? Anything besides fox/owl. Just remember to focus on 1 elements.

(Well, if you have to ask, there's a third method that I would call 'x25 BBQ', which uses EDB phases with different suffixed and max EDB to play in x25 GF/CFs for leveling.
But you also need scrolls/mana potions/SP shield/spark to help you survive)

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post Jan 28 2012, 20:02
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 28 2012, 19:06) *

1. Take a destruction staff with high MDB (32 or above).
If you want to use elemental spells, pick ebony. If you want to use holy/dark spells, wait till lv.150 and pick katalox.
Redwood would be your last resort, and I don't recommend that.

2. You should change your clothes to EDB phases. Choose to focus on one elements to achieve max power.
Elementals -> cost less mana, but more resistance from monsters.
Holy/dark -> cost more mana, but you only need to rotate among two elements.

I'm not sure if wearing demon-fiend/heaven-sent still works, since you'll lose some evade.
But they're good and cheap alternatives when you can't find EDB holy/dark suits.(because they can be quite expansive)

3. Basically you just choose between elemental and holy/dark, though most high-level mages expertize in both of them.

4. Suffix? Anything besides fox/owl. Just remember to focus on 1 elements.

(Well, if you have to ask, there's a third method that I would call 'x25 BBQ', which uses EDB phases with different suffixed and max EDB to play in x25 GF/CFs for leveling.
But you also need scrolls/mana potions/SP shield/spark to help you survive)


So I'm guessing edb gives much more damage boost than prof.

I'm confused about MDB. Doesn't it stand for magic damage boost like ones from staves?
(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/eSAS.png)
right now it's scaled down to 139.5 for me. so how's 32 mdb high? Am I missing something? Am I looking at the wrong MDB?

btw how much do these edb phases cost? Would it be okay for me to just look around wts and buy the edb phases I need? Or would I end up buying overpriced phases?

Thanks for the help. I tried karma+ing you, but I need to karma+ others before doing so. :/
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