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bringing your monster to, say, 300... I don't even know how much.

Around ~1 million credits for Humanoids (one of the easiest classes to level up).

And just for shit and giggles, I calculated the minimum number of credits required to get a Humanoid to a certain level (assuming 1 Primary Crystal = 50C and 1 Elemental Crystal = 25C):

CODE

50:        45,575C
100:      108,725C
200:      432,800C
300:    1,212,800C
400:    2,771,525C
500:    5,743,450C
600:   11,062,350C
700:   23,658,925C
800:   40,380,575C
900:   75,921,325C
1000: 139,000,825C
1100: 243,117,450C
1200: 384,726,275C
1300: 657,673,650C
1340: 801,894,350C ← Dragons

I barely get 3 Artifacts a week. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Either you're amazingly lucky, or I'm absurdly unlucky.

you must have very low training

Around ~1 million credits for Humanoids (one of the easiest classes to level up).

And just for shit and giggles, I calculated the minimum number of credits required to get a Humanoid to a certain level (assuming 1 Primary Crystal = 50C and 1 Elemental Crystal = 25C):

CODE

50:        45,575C
100:      108,725C
200:      432,800C
300:    1,212,800C
400:    2,771,525C
500:    5,743,450C
600:   11,062,350C
700:   23,658,925C
800:   40,380,575C
900:   75,921,325C
1000: 139,000,825C
1100: 243,117,450C
1200: 384,726,275C
1300: 657,673,650C
1340: 801,894,350C ← Dragons

That's too many credits to max out a Humanoid or Dragon.

you must have very low training

Mine is low too at 1 and I don't see anymore artifacts coming to me. More equipment keeps coming and Quartermaster is at 2.

So, for price of crystariumIII I could lvl humanoid to ~700, assuming supply of reasonably priced crystals from auctions? That's useful data.

all depends how many rounds you clear.

True, but on days where I finish all the Arenas, I usually get none. On days where I only complete a few arenas (usually only the first 10 + Crusade), I get 1-2. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

True, but on days where I finish all the Arenas, I usually get none. On days where I only complete a few arenas (usually only the first 10 + Crusade), I get 1-2. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

that's weird. it's probably your training then =\
i'm still getting my average 3 arties a day if i do all arenas. and ~1 every 200 rounds of grind if i do that.

37/50 Scavenger and 6/10 Archaeologist. :/

Guess my last question was ignored. Oh well.

How's FSM in ROB for 2H melee characters with 0.6.3 out? Is it easier/harder? I'm just curious as I don't want to risk the tokens in case it's much harder.

In 0.6.2 I'd just go in with godly spirit potions and superior mana potions. I just kept silence and weaken on it at all times, shield on myself at all times, and haste/regen with I get the odd channeling. Spirit attack was my bread and butter against FSM and I'd usually end up using 5-7 godly spirit pots before winning and sometimes I'd use a superior mana potion or two.

I wonder what the best strategy is now that I only have spirit mode instead of spirit attack.

that's weird. it's probably your training then =\
i'm still getting my average 3 arties a day if i do all arenas. and ~1 every 200 rounds of grind if i do that.

The percentage is too low it's like random at times from my experience...

I have had Archaeologist at 3/10 for a while now, and not long ago I went 6 days and half without getting a single artifact - and that was playing at the very least 550+ (actually more than that, but let's stay low) rounds per day.

Then I dropped like 10 in the following two days, playing the same number of rounds.

Still, according to HV Stat I get an artifact every 745 rounds, but only recently I started crysfesting.
IW, Crysfest and Grindfest should net a much higher number of artifacts, given that you face way more monsters in there than arenas...

Btw, what's your training in Scavenger + Archaeologist Cherry?

@halizorat ouch. just luck then. those are better than mine.

@handabanana was it about the stats? the url link doesn't work for me.

e: a melee would answer your question better but assuming you're macing it without infusions, i'd suggest a few divine infusions and really consider using DW for RoB. i'm very confident i can floor FSM with my shitty 70 DW and gossamer suit. i'd also go for godly's over the superiors just in case. IMO, the patch didn't hit you as hard as it hit other melees because you didn't have as many passive OC boosts. in fact the new spirit mode might be "better" than the passive OC was. but since your prior strategy appeared to rely on spirit attack, you'll have to get used to draining FSM's hp the old fashioned way.

@wr4st3r i'm 32/6 compared to halizorat's 37/6

all arenas at level 300 = 1590 rounds. at level 200 it should be ~1k rounds (no legendaries unlocked yet assumed). maybe you're doing a lot of the quick easy ones? those have really low nets of artifacts (like first blood etc)

i remember most of my artifact drops were actually situated in endgame - crusade but gosh those arenas were shitty payout otherwise.

i've gotten 3 artifacts within 300 grindfest rounds before but i've also gone 400-500 rounds without a single artifact drop. maybe my 1/200 mention was too positive? it was said by feel

This post has been edited by dcherry: Jan 13 2012, 01:17

@wr4st3r i'm 32/6 compared to halizorat's 37/6

all arenas at level 300 = 1590 rounds. at level 200 it should be ~1k rounds (no legendaries unlocked yet assumed). maybe you're doing a lot of the quick easy ones? those have really low nets of artifacts (like first blood etc)

i remember most of my artifact drops were actually situated in endgame - crusade but gosh those arenas were shitty payout otherwise.

i've gotten 3 artifacts within 300 grindfest rounds before but i've also gone 400-500 rounds without a single artifact drop. maybe my 1/200 mention was too positive? it was said by feel

I can't remember the data, did 6 levels in Archaeologist basically equal to 0.16 % drop chance (with base chance starting at 0.10)?

Arena wise, if you add up the whole first arena page all you get is 265 rounds, but no, I'm not actually doing those (aside 1-10, which I can ramp up the difficulty, and that is only 55 rounds total).

Man, I'm really behind with the trainings, 37/50 must cost a lot...

This post has been edited by wr4st3r: Jan 13 2012, 01:21

@HaliZorat

I use crysfest on easy to just farm for artifacts. I also use it to boost my proficiency to lvl cap max.

I try and keep my runs to about 40 rounds each to cap my losses and the amount of pots I end up using. Right now I am using it as a prof trainer. I get more artifacts in the evenings for whatever reason. During the morning or before Dawn of a New Day, the drop rate is low

But yea, 4-5 is easy. This took my 4 runs right this morning.

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My trainer lvl isn't even high.

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@wr4st3r i don't recall anyone confirming the actual artifact drop rate. but if it is 0.1 then yes it'll boost to 0.16 thanks to the trainer. surprisingly, you *can* feel the affects of the training once you're at 32/6 like myself. i was practically artifact droughted until i reached level 200 and then everything just blew up. exp. drops. wealth.

e: at least enough for comfort, anyway

This post has been edited by dcherry: Jan 13 2012, 02:04

Someone told me I should invest my training in AL since I won't see good equipment drops until at higher levels. Should I continue investing in AL or Scavenger at my current level?

Man, I'm really behind with the trainings, 37/50 must cost a lot...

Going to 38's gonna cost me 1.2 mil... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I plan on completing Scavenger, Archaeologist, LotD and Quartermaster up to 80%, then focusing on Hath Perks (even with my award, 1 Aura a day isn't very fast, and my Artifact drought has left me with no other way to speed up my hath-obtaining) afterward. Trying for 100% is utter madness for me to even attempt.

I have had Archaeologist at 3/10 for a while now, and not long ago I went 6 days and half without getting a single artifact - and that was playing at the very least 550+ (actually more than that, but let's stay low) rounds per day.

your training is rather low and the number of rounds you clear isn't that high to get a lot of artifacts. If you wan't to get more of them you should do more IW/grindfest. Arenas have never been the best place to get artifacts, but you can still get lucky and get a few.

Someone told me I should invest my training in AL since I won't see good equipment drops until at higher levels. Should I continue investing in AL or Scavenger at my current level?

its all a cost thing, if you train AL you can use your AP in something other then Exp Tanks. The first few levels in all those things isn't so bad, just keep them at the same cost.

This post has been edited by 4EverLost: Jan 13 2012, 02:39

I'm only 31/6 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Guess my last question was ignored. Oh well.

How's FSM in ROB for 2H melee characters with 0.6.3 out? Is it easier/harder? I'm just curious as I don't want to risk the tokens in case it's much harder.

In 0.6.2 I'd just go in with godly spirit potions and superior mana potions. I just kept silence and weaken on it at all times, shield on myself at all times, and haste/regen with I get the odd channeling. Spirit attack was my bread and butter against FSM and I'd usually end up using 5-7 godly spirit pots before winning and sometimes I'd use a superior mana potion or two.

I wonder what the best strategy is now that I only have spirit mode instead of spirit attack.

I haven't faced FSM yet, but I've kill IPU and RL. For Ring of blood you really should be DWing as it has a higher damage output against a sing opponent. Just use your old strat (very simar to the one I used on RL and IPU), but replace spirit attack with Spirit mode boosted Iris Strike (needs 110% OC), and maybe use diffident spells as IS inflicts Blind for 100 turns so using spells that can't stack with blind is kind of a waste.

This post has been edited by sigo8: Jan 13 2012, 06:38

I barely get 3 Artifacts a week. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Either you're amazingly lucky, or I'm absurdly unlucky.

My insight: sometimes it DOES matter whether you're playing arenas or other things
Arenas (especially those lower level ones) on average have fewer monsters per round than other battle modes.
And the numbers of artifacts you get is dependent on how many monsters you've defeated, not how many rounds you've cleared.

The result is that on average you would get less artifacts per round playing arenas, comparing to other battle modes, even if you play the same amount of rounds.
So if you want to get more artifacts/items, you should go and play grindfests/IWs.
(You would also get more equipments, but quality over quantity, so it seems areans' still a better place for good equipments)

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 13 2012, 20:12

Scary....
I tend to do about half of the arenas every day, basically the early ones and the late ones and skip the ones in the middle.

My training is 28/50 scavenger and 5/10 archeologist, and I'm getting about 1 artifact per week.....
It just boggles my mind to see people getting several artifacts a day.

Around ~1 million credits for Humanoids (one of the easiest classes to level up).

I've heard that said several times, but I've never understood why.

Why is a humanoid easier to level up than any other monster?
The cost for each increase is the same, there is no difference in amount of crystal needed that I can find, that would make humanoids cheaper or better in any way.

This post has been edited by Randommember: Jan 13 2012, 07:45