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I would guess the formula is just not up to date.

That's what I initially assumed, but then checking with other equips, for those others the numbers match.

ThisSup Axe is the only one which gives ne different result. In fact, it seems the Forge calculates it as if it were an Exquisite !

Does the fact that it is a 3 PABs Sup. influence the calculation in some way ?

If so, it should be mentioned in the wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Is it a bug ? In the formula, or in the Forge, or in my reasonong

The old (pre 0.82) equipment seems to have weird values for the quality coefficient, possibly based on pxp.
For a new superior at 52% I need 5 scraps to repair (pxp=234).

Pre 0.82 superior
51% pxp=299 11 scraps
56% pxp=294 8 scraps
78% pxp=295 4 scraps
83% pxp=309 6 scraps

This post has been edited by jantch: Dec 23 2017, 22:25

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Considering what has been said so far, yes the formula is slightly off.
It's the equipment's numerical condition that should be used in the formula, not the equip's condition percentage.

So my conclusion: yet another wiki article that needs correction... We're doing that quite a lot recently, it's exhausting.
We'll check that with the other wiki contributors when we have a bit of time.

Considering what has been said so far, yes the formula is slightly off.
It's the equipment's numerical condition that should be used in the formula, not the equip's condition percentage.

I think jantch implies that is the potency to get involved, noy the condition (numerical or percentage).

That makes some sense to me, if I look at others equip for comparison ... but I cannot find a fix for the formula that works for all cases (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

In a certain sense, it is proper that this Sup costs like a Exq to repair, since it's almost better then most Exq I've seen, but still ... I bought it cheap from Bazaar and thought "3 PABs and good ADB and my level, plus Shoking that goes well with me, I like Elec everywhere, AND JUST 6 SCRAPS TO FULL CONDITION ..." ......

then BANG, the surprise (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

We know why people quit IW, but what if you're a cheap bitch (me) who doesn't use EDs? Still worth it in the long run? 25 scav 4 archaeologist no trap perks.

Imo the use of EDs only makes sense on a regular basis when you have the Long Gone Before Daylight Perk and at least Archaeologist 6.

We know why people quit IW, but what if you're a cheap bitch (me) who doesn't use EDs? Still worth it in the long run? 25 scav 4 archaeologist no trap perks.

No. Short run and long run, IW is not profitable for anyone. I have all the fancy perks, all trainings not far from maxed and it's still far from being profitable for me, even if I count the credits I charge for that service. If I do it it's only because I can finish a 100 rounds IW without too much trouble, but I can't go past 500 rounds of PFFest.

Insert in your head that IW is designed to be a challenge which only goal is to enhance equipment, not to net some sort of profit out of it.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Dec 24 2017, 02:42

Insert in your head that IW is designed to be a challenge which only goal is to enhance equipment, not to net some sort of profit out of it.

^

in case you guys forgot it, IW has bad multipliers for, uh... pretty much everything.

It would be quite unfunny situation sending a PHOH to someone to IW and he running away ٩(ఠ益ఠ)۶ with it

You can trust me with a PHOH any day of the week.

I'll have that perfect IW for you by the first week of January.





in the year 2026.

We know why people quit IW, but what if you're a cheap bitch (me) who doesn't use EDs? Still worth it in the long run? 25 scav 4 archaeologist no trap perks.

Super didn't quit IW because his service wasn't profitable.
People quit IW service mainly because doing services is bothersome (let's say that you don't really want to play a week, now you realize you have a queue of 3 IW and you feel bad not playing so you are forced to that regardless, this fucking sucks and it's the main reason I've never ever considered doing IW services myself).
You can just check Super income manager screenshots, add 9c/pxp from IW service cost and you get that PFUDOR IW income per turn and round is higher than IWBTHFest (possibly not for PFUDORFest, but PFUDORFest is way more difficult).

Anyway, if your idea is not to use ED stay away from IW, just do arenas and IW only your equipments.

@Scremaz: doesn't IW have a good EXP multiplier? If the formula Non-IW_EXP * (PXP0 - 100) * 0.004 is correct a peerless Arcanist should have >1.2 EXP, which is definitely not bad.

As far as I've noticed, IW XP slightly better than arenas, but only because the average amount of monsters per round is greater.

And yeah, it's frustrating to have IW orders queuing up and being unable to satisfy all of them. When you can't do IW runs everyday, it's already taking more than 1-2 weeks for a perfect IW.

IW is designed to be a challenge

HV is challenging? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
You only lose 75% c and gain 20% exp according to la wikia. The rest is the same on hell and above, and it doesn't require donating massive amounts of time like arenas just to get an average turd at the end. How are you losing money on it? Profitable does not mean making less money than something else.

add 9c/pxp from IW service cost and you get that PFUDOR IW income per turn and round is higher than IWBTHFest (possibly not for PFUDORFest, but PFUDORFest is way more difficult).

Anyway, if your idea is not to use ED stay away from IW, just do arenas and IW only your equipments.

If pay scheme is the problem, that can be meddled with. If ED is required then I'll have to quit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

In one weeks time, this thread will be closed. It will be replaced by the Ask The Expert 2018 thread.

- this thread isn't searchable anymore
- Most of this thread, except the last hundreds of pages, were about previous versions of HV
- A yearly thread will be shorter so you can use Search effectively

As a service both threads will be open the following 7 days (more if needed). But feel free to use the Ask The Experts 2018 thread now!

In one weeks time, this thread will be closed. It will be replaced by the Ask The Expert 2018 thread.

- this thread isn't searchable anymore
- Most of this thread, except the last hundreds of pages, were about previous versions of HV
- A yearly thread will be shorter so you can use Search effectively

As a service both threads will be open the following 7 days (more if needed). But feel free to use the Ask The Experts 2018 thread now!

CHANGE IS SCARY.

This thread isn't being deleted, just closed right? We can still search it if we want?

This thread isn't being deleted, just closed right? We can still search it if we want?

yes indeed! We value our history. This thread will serve a a Museum of Past Expertise. Feel free to wander through sheer countless posts of wisdom, wit and whatnot. Reminisce the old days of HV versions with exotic low version numbers. Find memorabilia of old HV friends long gone since.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Dec 24 2017, 11:03

HV is challenging? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
You only lose 75% c and gain 20% exp according to la wikia. The rest is the same on hell and above, and it doesn't require donating massive amounts of time like arenas just to get an average turd at the end. How are you losing money on it? Profitable does not mean making less money than something else.
If pay scheme is the problem, that can be meddled with. If ED is required then I'll have to quit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

*cough* *cough*
You sure haven't done a lot of IW. So let me get this straight. IW earns next to nothing in terms of credits. The final round of an IW doesn't have increased drop chances, unlike arenas or random encounters. It doesn't have any end of IW bonus equipment nor token. It eats away your stamina and your time. It's more difficult than arena, with monsters hitting up to 300% as hard as normal in round 100 (and already 200% in round 50). And to finish it: you don't get any crystal drop bonus either, unlike Grindfest.

And of course, the last but not the least: if you are looking for a certain setup in the potencies, you will have to use amnesia shards and to play at a lower difficulty in the 1-2 first runs, which will cripple your equipment drops aswell and force you to play Item World even longer. If we consider the price of amnesia shards that you have bought, then you're spending more money in the amnesia shards than what the IW nets you.

Anything that IW might drop for you, Grindfest will do it better.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Dec 24 2017, 11:24

CHANGE IS SCARY.

But necessary. Let's say we heard the whines of those who claimed it wasn't possible to perform a query here anymore and this was the best (rather, the only) option we had.

What are the best stats for forge for mage? I have been focusing on only spell damage, evade and resist chance. The rest look like insignificant change to me.

What are the best stats for forge for mage? I have been focusing on only spell damage, evade and resist chance. The rest look like insignificant change to me.

Don't forget INT and WIS! AGI too. And PMI as well. Might throw in some MMI if you really want.


Unrelated by the way: I had some fun with the title of this thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Dec 24 2017, 12:16