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Dec 22 2017, 11:14
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Dec 22 2017, 08:14)  Can someone point me to some open, good and secure IW service?
I will probably need one in a pair of day, thanks.
I'd gladly answer if I didn't already have two perfect IW currently in my todo. I may still offer reforge though. This post has been edited by decondelite: Dec 22 2017, 11:16
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Dec 22 2017, 14:09
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friggo
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 2,134
Joined: 9-October 14

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 22 2017, 12:02)  No, why? I'm a melee and find it a nice boost. The extra regens are appreciated as well for a fan of micro-optimization like me
I suppose it's technically useful for melee, but having switched from melee to mage recently, I'm seeing a notable difference in effectiveness. On PFUDOR, the extended buff helps melee shave off maybe 5 seconds per Riddlemaster. For mages, the benefit is several times higher. But every little bit helps, I guess (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 19:26
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Maharid
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,389
Joined: 27-April 10

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@decondelite: Your service was the only one worth of it that i found at the moment, if i don't find anyone else i will probably wait (if i get the piece i plan to get J4+ on a Peerless).
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Dec 22 2017, 19:27
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 4-February 12

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QUOTE(Maharid @ Dec 22 2017, 18:26)  (if i get the piece i plan to get J4+ on a Peerless).
You nead an IW service for J4? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 19:46
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,571
Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(Maharid @ Dec 22 2017, 18:26)  @decondelite: Your service was the only one worth of it that i found at the moment, if i don't find anyone else i will probably wait (if i get the piece i plan to get J4+ on a Peerless).
Ah yeah I heard recently that several IW runners left/stopped doing their service. And frankly it's quite understandable: it's time consuming and not profitable. If I do it it's really because I still do get a few drops and tokens on the way.
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Dec 22 2017, 21:46
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,475
Joined: 31-August 13

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Is not profitable because ┐(‘~` )┌ you people are charging too little for it. I sent a lot of equipment for Kinights to IW back then, he put the results and costs on this WTS and he was charging, like, 14k per run on a Legendary if you calculate ( . .)φ__ his last runs.
I don't know your situations about clear time, but to do my own runs I take more than I do for the first 2 SG /( .□.)\ ︵╰(°益°)╯︵ /(.□. /) arenas for a profit lesser than what you get for credits + trophy and without the hassle ヽ(  ̄д ̄)ノ of dealing with customers.
I don't get why to charge 9c/PXP... Be capitalist pig, charge more, profit ヽ( ˋ(00)´ )ノ
This post has been edited by reality_marble: Dec 22 2017, 21:46
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Dec 22 2017, 21:49
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 22 2017, 20:46)  I don't get why to charge 9c/PXP... Be capitalist pig, charge more, profit
and then the market will get rid of you automatically (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 21:50
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Uncle Stu
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But someone has still to be willing to pay what you want for it. If you take too much for that service people will thing quintuply before they will take use of your service.
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Dec 22 2017, 21:57
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 31-August 13

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 22 2017, 17:49)  and then the market will get rid of you automatically (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Then it is a profit ┐( ̄∀ ̄)┌ for you. Being taken ouf of the market, that is.
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Dec 22 2017, 21:59
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qw3rty67
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IW has emotional cost, too. Feels bad if you don't work fast enough.
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Dec 22 2017, 21:59
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Uncle Stu
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But making no money means no profit. Am i missing something? Means profit something different where you life? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 22:09
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
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If you can make 10 dollars a hour shoveling snow, being kicked out of your dirt shoveling job at 8 dollars a hour isn't necessarily ┐(︶▽︶)┌ a bad thing. Cost of opportunity Uncley (o^ ^o) . Right now any of the last 3 SG arenas is more profitable time-wise due to trophy cost as long as you can clear them in a reasonable amount of time C= C= C= C=┌( `ー´)┘ so the only people that could ever think about it are the ones that will do these 3 + any more run a day but still can't profit of Fest. And I am not really sure if TTaTT wouldn't also be more worthy of the effort too in credit terms. QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Dec 22 2017, 17:59)  IW has emotional cost, too. Feels bad if you don't work fast enough. And a pissed up cost ٩(╬ʘ益ʘ╬)۶[/size] as it makes you want to ragequit when something undesirable appears a dozen runs later. This post has been edited by reality_marble: Dec 22 2017, 22:12
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Dec 22 2017, 22:15
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Maharid
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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I want to pay fopr IW for two main motive:
1) I don't have Dark Descend so is not profitable and do a thing like "try, send equip for reforge, wait, get it back, retry, repeat" will be boring.
2) I'm easily bored if i don't get what i want on first run or little more i tend to just give up.
So i can pay a fair amount of money to get the service done, i will do it myself only if i have no other options.
And no, i don't think the service need to be free or even pay only the costs, a fai gain is normal.
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Dec 22 2017, 22:15
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Uncle Stu
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But you know that we live in a world some people would even be happy to shoveling snow for 5 per hour, as long their family has food or at least something quite similiar on the table? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 22:21
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qw3rty67
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Just because a cheaper service is available doesn't mean the expensive service automatically loses. It's not all zero sum. If you'd rather wait longer for a slower service, you should pay less for it. QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 22 2017, 15:09)  And a pissed up cost ٩(╬ʘ益ʘ╬)۶[/size] as it makes you want to ragequit when something undesirable appears a dozen runs later. Got swift 5 times in a row Got butcher 3 times in a row Overpower 1 OVERPOWER 1Not worth the rerolls I'll just keep buying bindings until a legendary ethereal shows up (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 22:27
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Dec 22 2017, 18:15)  2) I'm easily bored if i don't get what i want on first run or little more i tend to just give up.
Knows .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・. and you will be doing this many times. By looking at log of IW runs sometimes they do it 70+ times until the right potency comes. It is a lot of reforge (◕‿◕)QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 22 2017, 18:15)  But you know that we live in a world some people would even be happy to shoveling snow for 5 per hour, as long their family has food or at least something quite similiar on the table? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Knows .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・.QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Dec 22 2017, 18:21)  Just because a cheaper service is available doesn't mean the expensive service automatically loses. It's not all zero sum. If you'd rather wait longer for a slower service, you should pay less for it.
Exactly, it is a matter of market. QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Dec 22 2017, 18:21)  OVERPOWER 1 \\٩(๑`^´๑)۶//This post has been edited by reality_marble: Dec 22 2017, 22:31
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Dec 22 2017, 22:39
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 4-February 12

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I just thought about something. Did anyone also mention trust? I mean at least for me, i would not actually care enough for an IW service for something that would not be wort a lot to me. So i could never sent it so someone i dont know or trust. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Dec 22 2017, 22:44
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reality_marble
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,475
Joined: 31-August 13

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It would be quite unfunny situation sending a PHOH to someone to IW and he running away ٩(ఠ益ఠ)۶ with it
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Dec 22 2017, 22:50
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chjj30
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Joined: 5-January 14

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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 23 2017, 04:44)  It would be quite unfunny situation sending a PHOH to someone to IW and he running away ٩(ఠ益ఠ)۶ with it
If you have one, you'd better do it yourself. What's more interesting is that this one takes the Staff to IW and gets banned before sending it back. Because getting banned I lost 50 Artifacts this Year. If I don't ask that Player a few days before that, I'll lost 200.
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Dec 22 2017, 22:52
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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Or he clicked salvage instead of reforge, of course total accidentally. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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