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the other way around, actually. wiki has been modified to reflect players' opinions on the playstyles. because no matter what one may think, wiki is written by players who're trying to get a glimpse of the game (like me and you) and usually something is written only when it has been tested/discussed enough. or a reliable source has been provided.
personally i tend to trust Tenb's patch logs and sssss's data repositories, when they aren't level-dependant.
i'd like to remind you another of the suggestion i give out to everyone who brings up this topic: what we suggest are only the most tested builds.

The wiki is better than nothing. But it does often come up that a new player says, "the wiki says this (wrong thing) and it confuses me." I am not criticizing the wiki maintaining team, I am just pointing out an observation. You don't need to defend it every time this observation is necessary to the conversation.

i'm sorry for how rude i may appear here, but this is a problem of ours only until a certain extent. all over the world English is accepted as sort of an exchange language - and as per forum rules, we have to use at least that. this means that if meanwhile some other translation appears, then all the better.
but as users seeking for help in the forum or on wiki are part of a community, they should do a bit of effort and behave as such.
and btw, there are some localized versions and suggestions here and there. at times even outside of this site - this is particularly true for Chinese subcommunity.
the drawback is that hc br's WTS is sort of an extension of the Chinese thread. if i needed to read something in there for whatever reason, i'd need to call for a Chinese speaker and waiting for him/her/it to translate.
i'd like to keep such number of istances as low as possible, since it's me (and noni) who eventually have to moderate it - even if we don't know how to read it.
another problem is that if hc br went AFK, nobody would update his guides anymore. so people would continue to read potentially outdated infos. on the other hand, with a centralized, mono-language wiki we will have someone reporting mistakes, sooner or later.

I'm well aware of the problems that other languages pose to moderation. I may not be a moderator here but I have been one in several other communities over the years. None of that is to the point I was making.

Decondolite brought up an observation on the community. He listed one factor to it, and how that factor affects people's behaviors and popularity of gear. I merely suggest other factors. He isn't wrong, but there is more to it than the one factor.

The fragmentation of information caused by the language barrier is a factor. Just as it creates issues for you as a moderator, it creates issues for Chinese/etc. players who find the information they get less well maintained, less than easy to understand, and various other issues.

"They ought to learn English and join the English side of the community" is irrelevant to the topic. You may be right. You may be wrong. Doesn't matter, as there is clearly a sub-community for at least one group of people due to language. I would not be surprised if other such sub-communities exist for other languages. Regardless of what they should or shouldn't do, this is how things are, and this is an observation on one impact that situation creates. They exist, whether or not this is a good thing, and they participate with their credits in the market. They impact the popularity and sellability of things.

That is also creates an impact on efforts to moderate the overall community is irrelevant to how popular shortswords and rapiers are.

This post has been edited by Cryosite: Dec 14 2017, 01:46

Except that we don't always have the time to actually do the damn job.

Working on this kind of thing is too time consuming and people might not have enough time ヾ(`ヘ´)ﾉﾞ to fix it.

That is why I suggested that you make a separate discussion over a topic, rewrite the whole text of a section, and when it is ready, send it to the EHWiki thread. ┐(︶▽︶)┌ Then it is just a matter of whoever can edit the wiki approve, or not approve and resend the text back for new edition, and if 'OK' to copy+paste over the last version.

It also could work to bigger projects, like statistic data, whenever there is the need or demand for that...

If X section of the wiki is wrong, or someone think that it is wrong, why not create a new thread, the "friendly ヽ(∀° )人( °∀)ノ and informative wiki revision discussion" to rewrite the text?

it already exists: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=47834

The fragmentation of information caused by the language barrier is a factor. Just as it creates issues for you as a moderator, it creates issues for Chinese/etc. players who find the information they get less well maintained, less than easy to understand, and various other issues.

the fact is that we cannot grant support to other languages. as i pointed out, there's plenty of English speakers here, both native and non-native. what about the other languages? or better, what about the other translators? can we be sure they will be around for said amount of time or at least there will be a renewal on a certain subcommunity which is enough to grant a certain degree of updates?
at this point i prefer not to fragmentate translators' efforts and to keep all of them on the main wiki.

it's not laziness, arrogance or whatever else. it's simply honesty towards a certain fraction of the userbase.


and please read again what i wrote: i basically stated we cannot check the whole thing and invited users to help us. because - as decon said - many users have wiki edit rights, and after a thing has been discussed enough there's the chance that it'll be edited sooner or later.

it already exists: [url=https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=47834]https://forums.e-hentai.org

Yes, the EHWiki thread. (´• ω •`)
Would it be fine to fill its pages with discussion about Shortsword vs Rapier against RoB bosses? It might take a lot of space (          ´• ω •`          )

it already exists: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=47834
the fact is that we cannot grant support to other languages.

it's not laziness, arrogance or whatever else. it's simply honesty towards a certain fraction of the userbase.
and please read again what i wrote:

And please read what I wrote.

Nothing I said was "the wiki needs to do better." or "the wiki should do something differently." It was not a criticism of the wiki, the maintainers of the wiki, or how the wiki is updated. I am well aware it is a) volunteer work and b) a lot of work.

None of that is relevant to the topic. Nobody is saying, "the Chinese deserve better help/information" or anything like that.

Stop reading into things. No one is calling anyone arrogant or lazy.

Stop being defensive because nobody is attacking anyone.

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Chill dudes. Take one day break, yeah?
Anyway,

what's the cost of upgrading a phase piece halfway to full? Is paying 25-50m for a single piece justifiable? I just want to do SG arenas and not get bored due the long time it need to be cleared.

Fire mages, what's your clear time with SG3 PF? How much forge required to get there?

what's the cost of upgrading a phase piece halfway to full? Is paying 25-50m for a single piece justifiable? I just want to do SG arenas and not get bored due the long time it need to be cleared.

16M according to cost calculator (a lot was rounded up and overestimated, could be lower if you buy things cheap)
5M phazon
1.6M each for INT and WIS
1.3M for spell damage
1.3M for resist
1.5M for evade
2M for physical mitigation
1.4M for magical mitigation

Being a cheap and poor doge, I only forge my spell damage and evade to whatever materials I have. I clear DwD in around 15 min.

Fire mages, what's your clear time with SG3 PF? How much forge required to get there?

Dunno, I don't burn, I coolly f r e e z e

Chill dudes. Take one day break, yeah?
Anyway,

what's the cost of upgrading a phase piece halfway to full? Is paying 25-50m for a single piece justifiable? I just want to do SG arenas and not get bored due the long time it need to be cleared.

Fire mages, what's your clear time with SG3 PF? How much forge required to get there?

Cold: SG3 PF is 12-13min with forge EDB to 50 on all phases, plus one radiant forged to 50 on MDB as well. Justifiable? Well, if you have the credits why not?

Cold: SG3 PF is 12-13min with forge EDB to 50 on all phases, plus one radiant forged to 50 on MDB as well. Justifiable? Well, if you have the credits why not?

What is SG3?

What is SG3?

Probably DwD (third schoolgirl arena).

After what PL , it is economical to use Happy pills instead of feeding them crystals?
considering 1 happy pill cost 1k and
1 crystal pack(12k crystals) cost 35k
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It's not a matter of PL, but a matter of morale/credits.
Feel free to do the calculation.

After what PL , it is economical to use Happy pills instead of feeding them crystals?
considering 1 happy pill cost 1k and
1 crystal pack(12k crystals) cost 35k
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See this post.

Fire mages, what's your clear time with SG3 PF? How much forge required to get there?

more-clark I can say to you that a starting set, even forged to 5, did not raised my clear time from my 1h set.

2904 turns / 1h28m back then (°ㅂ°╬). I was doing nearly the same time on 1H + OFC. Disclaimer: my internet at the time was worse than what I have and I still didn't knew you could hoover a magic rotation... so this clear time is not very precise

After substituting my prof shoes to a mag charged gloves + getting 1 charged phase it dropped to ~2614 turns and time to ~45:14 (〃＾▽＾〃) but internet got better too... so this clear time is not very precise too

After getting 1 more charged phase (★ω★), turns at 2830 (lost a lot of edb%, was totally worth it so far) but clear time at 39:15, but this without focusing 100% in doing it and even taking breaks to drink water and so... not that much precise three, return of imprecise (*/ω＼)... Probably around 36m playing seriously. With phases forged to 5 and a fiery destruction staff mdb25%/edb75% forged 40/37.

Most of the time is spent bullying schoolgirls (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄) , so that is why I assume that the dark sages would be better for that.

For the context of a new player lacking the funds and gear Sickentide has access to, I'd say the "popular" choice of putting the longsword down in favor of the rapier and shield is overall the best advice.

when it comes to PF IWs and PFfest, i agree, they may be more accessible to 1H builds if you're not prepared to do some heavy optimisations. however, i'd like to note that i was able to do PF REs and arenas with a pure self-drop set of unforged mag shades, some leather and my rusty old mace of the illithid. mace isn't the fastest option, but if you can get one with good stun rate, it doesn't take a lot of forging or investment into armour to make it work

Fire mages, what's your clear time with SG3 PF? How much forge required to get there?

forge 5 at all, 2 charged phase, 1 mag charged cotton, fiery of destruction staff
phase forged to 5 except one at 4, fiery staff of destruction MDB 29%, EDB 77%, EProf 42%, Int 24%, Wis 27% forged mdb40 edb37
(∩` ﾛ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎

3000 turns, 30 minutes right now

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Dec 14 2017, 13:58

forge 5 at all, 2 charged phase, 1 mag charged cotton, fiery of destruction staff
phase forged to 5 except one at 4, fiery staff of destruction MDB 29%, EDB 77%, EProf 42%, Int 24%, Wis 27% forged mdb40 edb37
(∩` ﾛ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎

3000 turns, 30 minutes right now

slightly less on tuesdays, i suppose?

Just a quick question: has anyone ever tried to get a full mitigation build instead of a slaughter build, for power?
If you take Ruby/Cobalt/... prefixes, mitigation suffixes, and mitigation potencies (instead of juggernaut and capacitor), you could get a nice 65% specific mitigation for every element (minus one, because only 5 armor parts), 40-45% for the physical ones. And unforged.

I'm asking because that could make non-mace 2H decently playable with power armor. If any incoming damage (save for void) is reduced to nothing but a scratch, that could be better than a 1H+Power of Slaughter.

If you take Ruby/Cobalt/... prefixes

at this point, better to prioritize useful prefixes like Zircon/Ruby if possible

slightly less on tuesdays, i suppose?

wells, tyr's days means days of the gods after alls
blessing of wars and RNG is of receive ↑_(ΦwΦ)Ψ i suppos