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Dec 26 2011, 19:17
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Valheran
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So how do mid-lvl mages kill them?
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Dec 26 2011, 19:41
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pbVeteran
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QUOTE(varst @ Dec 26 2011, 17:37)  ... Unfortunately silence doesn't work for mages. For FSM you can wear heaven-sent suit, use scroll of divinity and scroll of gods to spam it until death. For RL, demon-fiend suit with soul harvest should work, though you can also use magic missile with poison to kill RL (slower but you can use your mana on buffs/debuffs. Use soul harvest when you get hit by SP attack, and bring spare SP potions.) For IPU,since you don't have dark spells till lv.150, magic missile with poison is the only method you can use.
Remember to use haste scrolls/SV scrolls.
I used haste and protect on autocast slots [take 2 MP per turn that way, must try how much mana per turn it will cost with spark of life and haste] With one mana elixir and 5 god mana potions I should have enough mana to kill RL using Soul Harvest [800-1100 dmg with gaia scroll] didnt tryed magic missile damage on it but I think it will be much lower. For FSM I think it will be actually easier than RL case unless it have twice as HP as RL than it will go down much faster thx to its weakness to divinity. Edit: Just tested it it cost 2 MP per turn [1 MP as I have 1 MP per turn regen]. So I will use spark of life/haste combo next time I will go into ring of blood that will save me tons of mana and prevent ocassional ohk Edit2: can be absorb autocasted ? If yes that would be insane sustain spell for pure mage. This post has been edited by pbVeteran: Dec 26 2011, 20:13
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Dec 26 2011, 20:20
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varst
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QUOTE(pbVeteran @ Dec 27 2011, 01:41)  I used haste and protect on autocast slots [take 2 MP per turn that way, must try how much mana per turn it will cost with spark of life and haste] With one mana elixir and 5 god mana potions I should have enough mana to kill RL using Soul Harvest [800-1100 dmg with gaia scroll] didnt tryed magic missile damage on it but I think it will be much lower.
For FSM I think it will be actually easier than RL case unless it have twice as HP as RL than it will go down much faster thx to its weakness to divinity.
Edit: Just tested it it cost 2 MP per turn [1 MP as I have 1 MP per turn regen]. So I will use spark of life/haste combo next time I will go into ring of blood that will save me tons of mana and prevent ocassional ohk Edit2: can be absorb autocasted ? If yes that would be insane sustain spell for pure mage.
Unfortunately FSM should have 5 times as HP as RL, so plan accordingly. And don't put protection in autocast, put shadow veil instead. Mages' clothes have low mitigation, so protection is pretty useless. RL isn't difficult to kill, hope you can succeed. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Absorb can't be autocasted. Even if it can, it only have 75% chance to work, and doesn't work if the incoming attack isn't magical/is a crit hit. It makes spark for more useful in most cases. And there're only 5 spells which can be autocasted: haste, SV, protection, spark, SP shield
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Dec 27 2011, 02:49
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DSpooky
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Well I am re-certing to be a mage, luckily I had the forethought to equally cert all my attributes, except intelligence to a lesser degree. I take points away from my dex to increase my intel should allow me a decent chance at being a mage. I put all my points into health and mana, holy and 2 tier lightning. Not too sure about any of the debuffs at my current level so I suppose I will keep my 10 points free for now.
Any other advice for a player who is moving from fighter to mage?
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Dec 27 2011, 03:08
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smilejb
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Just when I thought I figured out everything, a patch comes along.
Everything is looking good so far. I feel like I get more use out of spirit mode than spirit attack.
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Dec 27 2011, 04:10
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~Nanodesuyo
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Killed 6 arenas in battletoads, they take so long...x_x
trying to finish some arenas at nightmare, and trying to grind like that, but take soo much time to kill a wave, and never drops anything that worth xD
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Dec 27 2011, 06:38
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hello, I would like to review my optimization ( or my mess ? ) with this : [ i42.servimg.com] Character[ i42.servimg.com] Abilities ( I suck on the spells yeah ) [ i42.servimg.com] TrainerI do not know if I want to continue to be a melee or become mage I have enough [ i42.servimg.com] trophy for change equipment easily Besides, I do not know how to insert [ i42.servimg.com] my equipment on the forum. I am open to suggestions, change optimization or specialization.
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Dec 27 2011, 06:46
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(~Nanodesuyo @ Dec 27 2011, 02:10)  Killed 6 arenas in battletoads, they take so long...x_x
trying to finish some arenas at nightmare, and trying to grind like that, but take soo much time to kill a wave, and never drops anything that worth xD
I only do most of my arenas on Hard, I'm lazy and want to do them as fast as I can. I seem to see a lot of posts about people that don't like absorb very much, using spirit shield all the time and blind vs bewilder. I use absorb almost all the time. I also like to use weaken/bewilder way more then blind. And I almost never seem to use spirit shield. I find that odd since it seems so many others use it all the time.
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Dec 27 2011, 07:37
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Zero Angel
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Dec 27 2011, 12:46)  I seem to see a lot of posts about people that don't like absorb very much, using spirit shield all the time and blind vs bewilder.
I use absorb almost all the time. I also like to use weaken/bewilder way more then blind. And I almost never seem to use spirit shield. I find that odd since it seems so many others use it all the time.
Absorb lost a lot of its value when custom monsters came out. I only use it on Schoolgirl Marathons since that's the only time that any monster gets to cast their spells. I don't use Spirit Shield nowadays either. Even when I went for the Dovahkiin title, I just relied on Spark for survival.
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Dec 27 2011, 08:10
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varst
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My not-so-intelligent guess is that you guys have more hp than other players, so SP shield activates less frequently. SP shield isn't that useful when you're playing in lower difficulties (normal, hard, even heroic). I tried that countless times in IWs; after 150 rounds it's spark doing more work than SP shield. Sometimes I don't even see it activating once in 200 rounds. And so I guess when you progress in levels, there will be a point which even skill attacks in higher difficulties won't deal more than 25% damage to activate SP shield, which will make it completely useless at that level. If it's wrong, feel free to give any corrections. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by varst: Dec 27 2011, 08:12
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Dec 27 2011, 08:29
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Slobber
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I'm guessing bewilder + absorb = gets rid of one drawback of absorb and possibly allowing it to be more useful than spirit shield
Esp vs schoolgirls
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Dec 27 2011, 09:00
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Razorflame
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I'm going to beginning to do the arenas with all the schoolgirls in them. End of Days is the first one that I will unlock.
Other than maybe getting a different staff for holy damage, maybe a different set of phase with emphasis on holy damage, what else should I do?
Thanks! Also, please PM to me your reply to my questions because I probably won't see it in this forum anyways since I hardly visit this thread.
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Dec 27 2011, 09:03
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☆Loli Police☆
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What class would you guys recommend? I'm currently using A two-handed weapon with crushing damage. And my armor is all heavy. I tend to die a lot too, any tips?
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Dec 27 2011, 09:39
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Colman
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Hello! I have just start playing this game around 3 weeks ago. This game is fun, and the free credits give me meaning to play the game. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) After the newly patch (0.6.3), I am a bit lost in choosing melee style/equipments. As a beginner, I pick 1H club + shield + light armor aiming as a defensive fighter. I use club as weapon because its attacking power is on pair with 2H weapon. My shield provide 29% blocking rate at my level. I give up on heavy armor because the slow speed and high interference making me use more MP for recovering. Also, the price for good cloth armors are too high for me. In 0.6.2, my attack power is barely enough to handle hard difficulty, with 140% OC. After the patch, I find the new 1H skill is powerful, only when facing a single boss class monster, which is very rare. When I play arena/grindfest/crysfest/item world, I find it very hard to survive until rounds 35 even in normal difficult. Then I switch to 2H weapon yesterdays to see any different. With the new 2H skill that give free kill every few rounds, I could survive more rounds with a common 2H mace and 0% in 2H prof. Now, I would like to ask the experienced players about the usefulness of 1H style. I would like to know is there any way to keep 1H style as strong as 2H style? Sorry for my poor English. This post has been edited by Colman: Dec 27 2011, 09:53
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Dec 27 2011, 11:32
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Dec 27 2011, 05:37)  Absorb lost a lot of its value when custom monsters came out. I only use it on Schoolgirl Marathons since that's the only time that any monster gets to cast their spells.
I don't use Spirit Shield nowadays either. Even when I went for the Dovahkiin title, I just relied on Spark for survival.
ya, If the arenas were longer and monsters still hit harder the deeper you go, I think I'd use it more. QUOTE My not-so-intelligent guess is that you guys have more hp than other players, so SP shield activates less frequently. I'm sure that is part of it. I'm at 10,300 health & 1850 SP. I think weaken also helps a lot. Normal attacks only do a few thousand damage and Reg II heals ~950 a turn so most attacks don't need to be healed. When I do take a lot of damage Cure I can restore my full hp. I have been messing around with blind from time to time on the Dragons or FSM. I still haven't made up my mind if I like more then bewilder again. (I use to use blind all the time at lower levels) EDIT: Was just looking at avg damage taken per hit. normal attacks ~1007 crit attacks ~1490 This post has been edited by 4EverLost: Dec 27 2011, 14:29
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Dec 27 2011, 14:00
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n125
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Dec 27 2011, 01:32)  I'm sure that is part of it. I'm at 10,300 health & 1850 SP. I think weaken also helps a lot. Normal attacks only do a few thousand damage and Reg II heals ~950 a turn so most attacks don't need to be healed. When I do take a lot of damage Cure I can restore my full hp.
Wow, how much do you need to raise your attributes to get your vitals that high? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) My vitals go up by such small amounts whenever I raise my attributes that I can't really imagine seeing over 10,000 HP and nearly 2,000 SP.
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Dec 27 2011, 14:24
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(n125 @ Dec 27 2011, 12:00)  Wow, how much do you need to raise your attributes to get your vitals that high? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) My vitals go up by such small amounts whenever I raise my attributes that I can't really imagine seeing over 10,000 HP and nearly 2,000 SP. click on the pic@325A new one will be added @330 where str/dex/end will be 340-345. Much of your spirit points comes from how much power/karma you have if I'm not mistaken. You can look it up but its something like post count, time as a member, HV level, stars/awards/auras, power tank... all effect it. Oh and spirit tanks I'd love to know what Tenseigamoon has for spirit points. His old spirit attacks must have been just sick.
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Dec 27 2011, 15:01
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n125
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Dec 27 2011, 04:24)  click on the pic@325A new one will be added @330 where str/dex/end will be 340-345. Much of your spirit points comes from how much power/karma you have if I'm not mistaken. You can look it up but its something like post count, time as a member, HV level, stars/awards/auras, power tank... all effect it. Oh and spirit tanks I'd love to know what Tenseigamoon has for spirit points. His old spirit attacks must have been just sick. Ahh, I completely forgot about Power's effects on SP--every 7 points of Power increases base SP by 1, and a whole host of things increases Power. Looks like Power Tank, Karma level, and (special) Auras are holding me back, specifically. Thanks. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Dec 27 2011, 15:40
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~Nanodesuyo
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Dec 27 2011, 02:46)  I only do most of my arenas on Hard, I'm lazy and want to do them as fast as I can.
I seem to see a lot of posts about people that don't like absorb very much, using spirit shield all the time and blind vs bewilder.
I use absorb almost all the time. I also like to use weaken/bewilder way more then blind. And I almost never seem to use spirit shield. I find that odd since it seems so many others use it all the time.
I see, looks like i got too used to finish arenas on normal / hard xD what i really need at moment is better equipment, any tips on how getting it ? better difficult or itemworld / gryndfest like crazy ? or trophies
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Dec 27 2011, 16:05
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(~Nanodesuyo @ Dec 27 2011, 13:40)  I see, looks like i got too used to finish arenas on normal / hard xD
what i really need at moment is better equipment, any tips on how getting it ? better difficult or itemworld / gryndfest like crazy ? or trophies
fastest way is to just buy something from another player (shop/auction) you can often get good gear for credits, hath, crystals or artifacts. It doesn't need to be the top end, just good for your level and price. clearing all your arenas each day, save blood tokens for FSM, and if you can train things so you get more drops. When you are able to play oh harder levels.
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