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post Nov 27 2017, 03:05
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 27 2017, 08:50) *

Redwood is only good for elemental, so you can choose between one of the four elements.
On the other hand given the prefix the staff will probably be worse than a correctly prefixed legendary redwood.
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post Nov 27 2017, 05:43
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Legendary Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Hallowed Katana of Slaughter
what should the ideal IW for these weapons be? In the case of the katana is the ideal IW any different if I want to use it with a waki than without?
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post Nov 27 2017, 07:07
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Nov 27 2017, 00:43) *

Legendary Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Hallowed Katana of Slaughter
what should the ideal IW for these weapons be? In the case of the katana is the ideal IW any different if I want to use it with a waki than without?

With FRD, fatality and swift strike. For niten, fatality and overpower/butcher on the katana; fatality and swift strike on the waki. It also depends on what kind of armor you are using, of course
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post Nov 27 2017, 07:27
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Nov 27 2017, 00:07) *

With FRD, fatality and swift strike. For niten, fatality and overpower/butcher on the katana; fatality and swift strike on the waki. It also depends on what kind of armor you are using, of course

are there people really using FRD? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I was planning on using heavy semi-slaughter (can't afford all pieces), mainly as something to mindlessly grind, not pfudor but nintendo or iwbth; I guess shade should be safer to play, but I feel I'll be weak af even for nintendo
I miss the old days to grind on hard (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Edit:Swift strike as first potency on both (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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post Nov 27 2017, 08:09
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Nov 27 2017, 02:27) *

are there people really using FRD?

Well, it's pretty safe, fast (trio and the tree in eight and a half minutes, for example) and cheap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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not pfudor but nintendo or iwbth; I guess shade should be safer to play, but I feel I'll be weak af even for nintendo

Then fatality and overpower are what you need.
I can easily clear all the arenas on IWBTH with light armor and no FRD. I don't know about the estoc, though
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post Nov 27 2017, 08:11
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Nov 26 2017, 21:27) *

are there people really using FRD? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I was planning on using heavy semi-slaughter (can't afford all pieces), mainly as something to mindlessly grind, not pfudor but nintendo or iwbth; I guess shade should be safer to play, but I feel I'll be weak af even for nintendo
I miss the old days to grind on hard (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


I've got some pieces of gear I need to level up to wear that I got on the cheap. I also need to someday devote money to upgrading/ IW'ing them. All for a Niten build with FRD. Mostly favoring a whole lot of speed and evade to cut down damage, and rely on "lazy" damage output from Niten to grind with. As such, it feels like Shade armor pairs the best with the idea. More evade and agility in exchange for slightly less ADB than power of slaughter. Well maybe "slightly" is subjective.

As such, for me, I'd probably favor... basically any IW, really. More speed from Swift Strikes would cut down how many agile pieces I need and let me get more savage. More Fatal/Butcher for more damage. Some amount of Overpower across the two weapons would be desirable to reduce enemies' parries. So I'm expecting rather cheap IW10 commissions when I get around to them.


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A "slow" build using power armor would rely on heavy's mitigation and parry for survival. You'd likely want to pair your katana with a Wakizashi of Nimble in that case. You'd probably still want some amount of Overpower between your two weapons, but avoid Swift Strikes and emphasize the greater damage of the build with Fatal/Butcher.

One advantage of the build due to enemies taking more turns relative to you from your slow speed is they bleed more. You won't have the counter attacks of 1h style, which is one of the main reasons 1h Heavy prefers low speed.

Any evade you manage to have in the build is strictly a benefit, unlike for 1h. Though it might be hard to actually have any. Etheral weapons and Mithril prefixes on armor might be attractive to reduce burden and make it easier for some evade to exist due to agility.

I don't really see any advantage to leaving your offhand empty. 2h style has slightly stronger Domino Strike than Niten, but as for abilities, you trade your 2h accuracy for DW accuracy; not enough of a difference between the two to consider it a downgrade. You also gain DW crit. You lose access to 2h's style-specific skills, with Rending Strike being pretty nice. You gain Niten's Skyward Sword wich I haven't played around with. But overall, Niten's regular attacks with both Offhand strikes and Domino Strikes give you tons of free damage. For a "lazy grind" build, I imagine your overcharge would go to Spirit Stance anyway.

The only reason I would consider 2h style at all is with a mace or estoc, honestly.

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post Nov 27 2017, 08:28
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hi zyh0826, welcome on this forum. I see you haven't played HV yet. It's best if you try the game yourself before asking questions.

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post Nov 27 2017, 09:14
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Are Ethereal Staffs useful and valuable? Apart from 0 burden, are there any reasons to use Ethereal Staffs?

Magnificent Ethereal Katalox Staff of Fenrir
Magnificent Ethereal Willow Staff of Focus

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post Nov 27 2017, 09:23
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Are Ethereal Staffs useful and valuable? Apart from 0 burden, are there any reasons to use Ethereal Staffs?

Magnificent Ethereal Katalox Staff of Fenrir
Magnificent Ethereal Willow Staff of Focus


They're entirely useless. Treat them exactly as if they had no prefix at all.

One of the main desireable traits of a staff is for the prefix to add EDB for your chosen element.

If you IW10 an ethereal staff, it will get a random elemental strike for the 10th potency, but it still won't gain EDB for that element.
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post Nov 27 2017, 09:33
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Nov 27 2017, 15:23) *

They're entirely useless. Treat them exactly as if they had no prefix at all.

One of the main desireable traits of a staff is for the prefix to add EDB for your chosen element.

If you IW10 an ethereal staff, it will get a random elemental strike for the 10th potency, but it still won't gain EDB for that element.


Same as what I through...

Besides, I would like to know how fast is it possible to clear Lv. 225,250,300 Arena challenges at X20 hard mode? These three challenges would take me at least an hour to clear all with Fire magic strike.

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post Nov 27 2017, 11:35
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Nov 27 2017, 04:43) *

Legendary Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Hallowed Katana of Slaughter
what should the ideal IW for these weapons be? In the case of the katana is the ideal IW any different if I want to use it with a waki than without?


F5O4 or O5F4, fighting style doesn't matter. Swift strike is a no-no, even for DW and Niten. Losing the opportunity to land a hit on a monster due to the lack of 16-20% of anti-parry is really, really not worth a laughable increase of 10% in attack speed that adds up to your already existing high attack speed.

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post Nov 27 2017, 11:56
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QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Nov 27 2017, 08:33) *

Besides, I would like to know how fast is it possible to clear Lv. 225,250,300 Arena challenges at X20 hard mode? These three challenges would take me at least an hour to clear all with Fire magic strike.

A bit better than:
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So between 8 and 9 minutes for DwD, between 5 and 6 minutes for ED and ~4 minutes for EoD.
This done on sunday with a good leg/peerless hallowed oak staff of heimdall + full radiant or something like that.
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post Nov 27 2017, 12:27
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Nov 27 2017, 10:35) *

F5O4 or O5F4, fighting style doesn't matter. Swift strike is a no-no, even for DW and Niten. Losing the opportunity to land a hit on a monster due to the lack of 16-20% of anti-parry is really, really not worth a laughable increase of 10% in attack speed that adds up to your already existing high attack speed.

without even considering that BUR reduces speed bonus, so unless you're going with a Shade build (which isn't really suggested with an elemental 2H) and really, really want to try a FRD build, the benefits from Swift Strike will be eaten away: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Burden

if you want to go with Power build, just stick with Butcher/Fatality + Overpower. i'd say Butcher if you have Slaughter, Fatality if you have Balance, whatver combo if you're still building your set. O+F = 9 on your waki is quite safe of a bet.
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post Nov 27 2017, 15:07
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 27 2017, 17:56) *

A bit better than:
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So between 8 and 9 minutes for DwD, between 5 and 6 minutes for ED and ~4 minutes for EoD.
This done on sunday with a good leg/peerless hallowed oak staff of heimdall + full radiant or something like that.


How much are this kind of fully forged Holy equipment set worth?
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post Nov 27 2017, 15:10
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How much are this kind of fully forged Holy equipment set worth?

let me put it this way: i have decided to attach as much bling as humanly possible to my shade set (hell, it worked for mr. t), and the cost of that is dwarfed by what you have to spend for an endgame holy set
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post Nov 27 2017, 15:25
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let me put it this way: i have decided to attach as much bling as humanly possible to my shade set (hell, it worked for mr. t), and the cost of that is dwarfed by what you have to spend for an endgame holy set


I am just curious that how enormous it costed through, like 1000M credit for full set L Holy? And what about full set Peerless Holy, does it ever exist?
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Nov 27 2017, 14:10) *

let me put it this way: i have decided to attach as much bling as humanly possible to my shade set (hell, it worked for mr. t), and the cost of that is dwarfed by what you have to spend for an endgame holy set

possibly even for one piece only. too lazy to do the math though.

en passant, you should need something like 75M to fully forge a Radiant, 55M to forge it to lv50 and 49M to fully forge a non-Radiant (some stats already excluded). repeat it for all pieces, staffs and perks.

QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Nov 27 2017, 14:25) *

I am just curious that how enormous it costed through, like 1000M credit for full set L Holy? And what about full set Peerless Holy, does it ever exist?

oh, that is slightly easier. Peerless Holy pieces (not sure if a set exists, and even less whether a single person can afford it) should go in the 150~170 M range each. maybe a bit more for the Robe. Staff should be similar, iirc.
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possibly even for one piece only. too lazy to do the math though.

en passant, you should need something like 75M to fully forge a Radiant, 55M to forge it to lv50 and 49M to fully forge a non-Radiant (some stats already excluded). repeat it for all pieces, staffs and perks.
oh, that is slightly easier. Peerless Holy pieces (not sure if a set exists, and even less whether a single person can afford it) should go in the 150~170 M range each. maybe a bit more for the Robe. Staff should be similar, iirc.


wow dafuq, just go back and play with my fire...

What about drop chance for such L Holy set? I got my LFWD and L Charged phase cloth of Surtr by drop luck. But I have never got any L/M Radiant cloth so far, not to mention with desired EDB...

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post Nov 27 2017, 15:57
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QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Nov 27 2017, 14:48) *

What about drop chance for such L Holy set? I got my LFWD and L Charged phase cloth of Surtr by drop luck

let's put it this way: you got very lucky. useful drops are quite rare nowadays (compared to all the items that are put for sale, i mean), and selfdrops way more.
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post Nov 27 2017, 16:32
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let's put it this way: you got very lucky. useful drops are quite rare nowadays (compared to all the items that are put for sale, i mean), and selfdrops way more.


How do these experts afford such costly equipments? They are uploader/donator?
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