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post Nov 24 2017, 16:03
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Nov 24 2017, 05:44) *

am not that rich ppl .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・.
to forg just edb to 50 of the 4 clothes would take almost half year by todays earning speed. +1 month for low%edb chargeds or +2-3moth for chargeds with nice% in edb

only options that can afford fast would be basic dark + forge to 5 (which means same as hav now just changing the elemen) (∩` ロ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎 but if would not drop my SG spanking time then not worthy to spend the money and best start to charge

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noice stuff is expendings ヾ( ̄◇ ̄)ノ〃 calculated with katalox. wil-short staff would need more 1 month of arenamoneys


Playing mage isn't cheap. It is expensive to get it working. There is no actually cheap version of it. Because forging everything is ridiculously costly, even after cheaply buying gear from auctions. It is all that high-grade cloth and wood, phazons, and throwing away all the monies.

Welcome to the end-game economy bias.
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post Nov 24 2017, 16:08
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Nov 24 2017, 12:03) *
Welcome to the end-game economy bias.

if that ~30% differents in elemental mitigation that a dark set has over elemen set against iscoolgirl ฅ(•ㅅ•❀)ฅ make nice advantage it would be better options
for me to change for it.

my fire to same % darkset would be only option that can be completed before 2018

but, yup, any optnions i make now will have me to stick with it for a couple months to make work. sadly internets isn't that good in t/s to aim for fast clear like the ppl with DW said they hav (=①ω①=)

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post Nov 25 2017, 00:59
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Is 1% of physical mitigation effectively the same as +1 to crushing,+1 slashing,+1 piercing?

I'm trying to evaluate if it's worth trading 3% p.mit on helmet for +3/3/10 specific physical mitigations on a new one.
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post Nov 25 2017, 02:03
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QUOTE(Nayas @ Nov 24 2017, 23:59) *

Is 1% of physical mitigation effectively the same as +1 to crushing,+1 slashing,+1 piercing?

I'm trying to evaluate if it's worth trading 3% p.mit on helmet for +3/3/10 specific physical mitigations on a new one.


No. Not at all. These are different mitigation layers:
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage

Let's say you have 90% PMit (yes I know it's not possible, it's just to illustrate) and 30% for each individual physical (crushing/slashing/piercing), the buff in the global reduction will be much greater if you go from 90 to 91 PMit than if you went from 20 to 21 for each all the three individual.

Furthermore, you got to know that the general physical mitigation affects all physical attacks, which includes the void physical attacks, and of course the specific mitigations cannot. But for each of the three specific types, you got to calculate the overall mitigation to know what solution is more effective.
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post Nov 25 2017, 05:30
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my stamina dropped too fast,
is there someone telling me all the pony?I'm always wrong.
I mean all the pictures what I need to answer.
and the energy drink is too expensive


sorry, English isn't my first language,so if there is something I didn't express clearly.Please tell me.

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post Nov 25 2017, 05:44
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Nov 25 2017, 03:03) *

No. Not at all. These are different mitigation layers:
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage


Oh thanks, for some reason I thought multiplicative bonus of +1 would be equal, but it's not the case unless p.mit and special mit. are at very close values. In that example at 90%p.mit and 20% specific mit., +1 p.mit is worth +8 of specific mit. Though in more realistic scenario like 80/30 that would be 3.5, which is nice to know.

QUOTE(holymoons @ Nov 25 2017, 06:30) *

my stamina dropped too fast,
is there someone telling me all the pony?I'm always wrong.
I mean all the pictures what I need to answer.
and the happy pills is too expensive
sorry, English isn't my first language,so if there is something I didn't express clearly.Please tell me.

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/File:Ponychart.jpg

Don't use happy pills, upgrading monsters with crystals raises morale and is much cheaper.

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post Nov 25 2017, 05:58
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QUOTE(Nayas @ Nov 25 2017, 11:50) *

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/File:Ponychart.jpg

Don't use happy pills, upgrading monsters with crystals raises morale and is much cheaper.



sorry,I don't have monsters,I can't upgrade monsters with crystals
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post Nov 25 2017, 06:03
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QUOTE(holymoons @ Nov 25 2017, 03:58) *

sorry,I don't have monsters,I can't upgrade monsters with crystals

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) i think you mean energy drink is too expensive...

about RiddleMaster
take a look at
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https://ehwiki.org/wiki/File:Ponychart.jpg
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post Nov 25 2017, 06:08
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QUOTE(TakanashiRi @ Nov 25 2017, 12:03) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) i think you mean energy drink is too expensive...

about RiddleMaster
take a look at
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/RiddleMaster
and
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/File:Ponychart.jpg



thanx
it's quite helpful
and yes
I mean the energy drink
thank you for your help and pointing my mistake out
And another question:how to show my equipments in PM?

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post Nov 25 2017, 09:16
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And another question:how to show my equipments in PM?


that's in the wiki advice page. Recommended reading.
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post Nov 25 2017, 09:56
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thanx
but i'm on the phone
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post Nov 25 2017, 10:13
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thanx
but i'm on the phone


Then there is no way that I know of.
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post Nov 25 2017, 12:10
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Nov 24 2017, 21:44) *

am not that rich ppl .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・.
to forg just edb to 50 of the 4 clothes would take almost half year by todays earning speed. +1 month for low%edb chargeds or +2-3moth for chargeds with nice% in edb

only options that can afford fast would be basic dark + forge to 5 (which means same as hav now just changing the elemen) (∩` ロ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎 but if would not drop my SG spanking time then not worthy to spend the money and best start to charge

thx
noice stuff is expendings ヾ( ̄◇ ̄)ノ〃 calculated with katalox. wil-short staff would need more 1 month of arenamoneys

Keep going with fire until you can comfortably clear all arena on pfudor(minus schoolgirl). That should give you enough money to reconsider which path to invest in. You can skip on charged if you don't play grindfest, mystic radiant and phase with high edb is better for arena

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post Nov 25 2017, 12:44
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thanks for answer, c.c.irrux (~˘▽˘)~
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post Nov 25 2017, 16:17
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Nov 25 2017, 02:10) *

Keep going with fire until you can comfortably clear all arena on pfudor(minus schoolgirl). That should give you enough money to reconsider which path to invest in. You can skip on charged if you don't play grindfest, mystic radiant and phase with high edb is better for arena

So, wait. Mages clear something else in Arena besides this:
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/1vmVIXM.png)
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post Nov 25 2017, 16:29
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Nov 25 2017, 15:17) *

So, wait. Mages clear something else in Arena besides this:
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/1vmVIXM.png)


sure! The whole 2nd page is worth your time/stamina.
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Nov 25 2017, 12:17) *

So, wait. Mages clear something else in Arena besides this:

probablys just ?
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post Nov 25 2017, 17:55
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Nov 25 2017, 15:17) *

So, wait. Mages clear something else in Arena besides this:
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To Kill a God.
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post Nov 25 2017, 18:24
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 25 2017, 15:29) *

sure! The whole 2nd page is worth your time/stamina.

First page is not very good for stamina but it takes just ~8 minutes and you can get a few tokens that way.

I usually pop aether shard + featherweight and do 1st page, 2nd page and a couple of IW runs.
If you can spare 1h/day I think it's not a bad solution.
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post Nov 25 2017, 19:44
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 25 2017, 19:24) *

First page is not very good for stamina but it takes just ~8 minutes and you can get a few tokens that way.

I usually pop aether shard + featherweight and do 1st page, 2nd page and a couple of IW runs.
If you can spare 1h/day I think it's not a bad solution.


I agree with this.

Now that I've switched to mage, it takes only a little over 1 hour to do both pages on PFUDOR. And also since I basically have endgame gear anyway, credits are less important to me than tokens, so even though the first page is not efficient in regards of stamina, it still means extra tokens with little effort. As an experiment, I've actually been tracking the token bonuses from first page arenas over the last three months. In 90 days, I've gotten 232 tokens from first page arena clear bonuses alone.

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