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post Nov 22 2017, 19:46
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QUOTE(amumusdream @ Nov 22 2017, 16:09) *

How do I choose my monsters?
Shall I just upgrade its statues evenly?
Or to magic attack monsters I should upgrade int and wis only?
And as I got some chaos key left, shall I max the number of monsters first or just try to feed some huge monsters with high level?


Depends on what you want to achieve.
If you want to highest PL possible for the minimum amount of money, keep everything even and elemental upgrades=2*primary upgrades.
If you want something that kicks butts, you focus on the offensive stats without neglecting defensive stats too much. If you have a Daimon, you raise mostly attack, dexterity and agility, but keep a minimum of endurance so that it can at least take 2-3 hits before collapsing. If it's a Celestial, you focus mostly on agility, intelligence and wisdom, and still keep a minimum of endurance. If it's a Giant, it's attack and endurance, but raise its agility a minimum so it does attack a bit. And so on and so forth.

As for the spending your chaos tokens, it's really up to you: do you want to drop the most items possible, or to have a monster to be really proud of? In the first case it's monster slots again and again and again to have a low PL army, if it's the second you chaos it like hell. But keep in mind that an army of monsters needs to be fed. It's not overly expensive though...
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post Nov 22 2017, 20:16
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QUOTE(amumusdream @ Nov 22 2017, 16:09) *

How do I choose my monsters?
Shall I just upgrade its statues evenly?
Or to magic attack monsters I should upgrade int and wis only?
And as I got some chaos key left, shall I max the number of monsters first or just try to feed some huge monsters with high level?


No really. The effect is not noticable. Just do whatever. I suggest a funny monster-type-and-name combination.

Like: Giant Dissapointment (Giant)
or: Can of Beans (mecha)
or: Flipping the Bird (avion)

You'll get your gifts from 1 every 3 days, standard and fleeing players. Almost nobody dies.


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post Nov 23 2017, 03:08
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I started collecting pieces for a mage build.

1. Is there a speed/efficiency/whateverelse comparison somewhere for imperil dark vs. non-imperil dark. I understand that there's a difference in forbidden proficiency required, but none of the advice pages really seem to hash out the differences.

2. Is there a comparison between charged vs radiant vs mystic pieces?

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post Nov 23 2017, 06:01
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QUOTE(rinshantsumo @ Nov 22 2017, 17:08) *

I started collecting pieces for a mage build.

1. Is there a speed/efficiency/whateverelse comparison somewhere for imperil dark vs. non-imperil dark. I understand that there's a difference in forbidden proficiency required, but none of the advice pages really seem to hash out the differences.

2. Is there a comparison between charged vs radiant vs mystic pieces?


Charged is chosen for defensive reasons. Going faster means you suffer fewer enemy attacks for the same amount of casting. How fast you need to be is largely depending on how bad of a beating you're otherwise taking, and how many sources of "make me less squishy" you have accumulated from various sources: agi (for evade) on your cloth, Hath perks, and so on. Oh, and lots of scrolls for various buffs is a gimme.

Radiant raises MDB, i.e. damage. Lets you kill things with fewer spells cast. Kinda depends on what you're fighting though. If you're in pfudorfest, you're mostly fighting a bunch of normal monsters and you might one-shot them with your t3->t2-t1 rotation so quickly that you don't really need more damage. If you're fighting a lot of SGs, the little bump in damage from radiant prefixes might shave off several T per run.

Mystic is like magical Savage. It raises magical crit damage. It doesn't appear to be favored by anyone, for the same reason everyone favors Slaughter over Balance. I think Mystic would be superior to no prefix at all, and would help vs SG's similarly to Radiant.

As for the main question, I'll mostly defer to those with actual experience playing mage. It seems like an attractive choice to forgo Imperil to reduce the amount of time spent inputting actions. Spell rotation hoverplay on Monsterbation lets mages cast with about as much "lazy/low attetention/low interaction" as melee hoverplay. Imperil requires you mash a hotkey some, pay attention to whether it landed or not and where, and make snap decisions about if you need to mash it some more before nuking.

Obviously Imperil-less style still needs to do a lot of damage, but also needs higher prof. You may need more radiant prefixes to make up for using two slots for prof, for example. You may need Daemon Duality Hath perk while Imperil style might get away without it. Since you're using Radiant prefixes instead of charged, you might need more defensive stuff, like more Juggernaut on your gear and/or agility/evade. Imperil style might get away with low% evade/agi cloth and favor cheaper pieces of gear as a result.

It's a lot of factors to juggle. Overall, Imperil-less probably is more expensive to gear/perk for. A lot of people are very practiced in the action you have to do during combat to use Imperil, so they're very fast at it. It probably doesn't produce a very big difference in speed of clearing dungeons, though Imperil-less has some potential to be faster due to less user-input bottleneck. On the other hand, potentially cheaper gearing might allow for better quality gear for Imperil-style, and give a raw damage output advantage.

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post Nov 24 2017, 04:29
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Hey guys, I was debating throwing down some in the auction this week for a weapon, but realized I had a couple of good weapons lying around that I haven't committed to yet. I was wondering if I could get some opinions on what to go for.

Legendary Demonic Axe of Slaughter
[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/144425062/27e110263d
Legendary Tempestuous Rapier of Balance
[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/141135369/4560d1dd25
Legendary Tempestuous Shortsword of Slaughter
[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/128919770/5b671a73e7


I'm leaning toward the shortsword, decent percentages and slaughter, which seems to be popular for a reason. Rapier seems fine in percentages, but I get that Balance really isn't that popular for sword and board.

Either way, for whatever reason, I'm still rocking this baby [alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/138587152/dfdfe2f553 , so it's going to be a fairly large improvement. I've just been really stingy on soul fragments...the upgrades I've constantly come across would use a big chunk of them, so I've been wanting to use them sparingly until I find a piece that I will hold on to for a while.
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post Nov 24 2017, 07:34
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QUOTE(PapaJuk @ Nov 23 2017, 18:29) *

Hey guys, I was debating throwing down some in the auction this week for a weapon, but realized I had a couple of good weapons lying around that I haven't committed to yet. I was wondering if I could get some opinions on what to go for.

Legendary Demonic Axe of Slaughter
[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/144425062/27e110263d
Legendary Tempestuous Rapier of Balance
[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/141135369/4560d1dd25
Legendary Tempestuous Shortsword of Slaughter
[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/equip/128919770/5b671a73e7
I'm leaning toward the shortsword, decent percentages and slaughter, which seems to be popular for a reason. Rapier seems fine in percentages, but I get that Balance really isn't that popular for sword and board.



Assuming you're doing 1h Heavy. If not, then all of this advice is moot. DW Light has an entirely different set of priorities.

Of those four weapons, the Rapier is the best due to highest parry stat. Shortsword being harder hitting is second choice. Neither axe is worth considering.

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post Nov 24 2017, 08:10
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QUOTE(rinshantsumo @ Nov 23 2017, 09:08) *

I started collecting pieces for a mage build.

1. Is there a speed/efficiency/whateverelse comparison somewhere for imperil dark vs. non-imperil dark. I understand that there's a difference in forbidden proficiency required, but none of the advice pages really seem to hash out the differences.

2. Is there a comparison between charged vs radiant vs mystic pieces?


This is based on my experience with holy .
Before fully forging a full set of radiant, and at least dd5, imperil is likely faster.

Charged is best for imperil
Radiant is required for non imperil. (Not enough damage when I was full charged Heimdall dd5 and 40 forge)
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:20
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Nov 24 2017, 08:10) *
Charged is best for imperil
Radiant is required for non imperil. (Not enough damage when I was full charged Heimdall dd5 and 40 forge)

Oh, wow....
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:36
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how to get the tokens?
how to get good equipment?
My stats is below
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:39
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how to get the tokens?
how to get good equipment?
My stats is below


Tokens drop from anywhere, anything you fight. Random Encounters and Arenas are slightly better places to get them. Both Chaos Tokens and Blood Tokens.

You get good equipment by playing the game more. As you get stronger, you can fight more difficult stuff on higher difficulty and will tend to get better quality equipment (average, superior, exquisit, etc.). Also, Arenas are slightly good for equipment.
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:44
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QUOTE(holymoons @ Nov 24 2017, 14:36) *

how to get the tokens?

1. Monsters may drop a token after their death, however the chances to get one in this way is very low.
2. You can get a token as a random prize for finishing an arena. Arenas with more rounds tend to give a token more often.
3. You can get a token as one of the prizes in Lottery, however if your money balance is low, don't consider that method.

So, basically, just play arenas every day - the more arenas you will finish every day, more tokens you would get. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(holymoons @ Nov 24 2017, 14:36) *

how to get good equipment?


Read this post - it has lots of information about how to get equipment, how to get credits and overall tactics and hints. It looks huge, but it just because this thread has almost all necessary information to play that game well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:44
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Nov 24 2017, 19:39) *

Tokens drop from anywhere, anything you fight. Random Encounters and Arenas are slightly better places to get them. Both Chaos Tokens and Blood Tokens.

You get good equipment by playing the game more. As you get stronger, you can fight more difficult stuff on higher difficulty and will tend to get better quality equipment (average, superior, exquisit, etc.). Also, Arenas are slightly good for equipment.

thanx
But I think I always be defeated in random encounter.
What's wrong with me?
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:50
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QUOTE(holymoons @ Nov 24 2017, 03:44) *

thanx
But I think I always be defeated in random encounter.
What's wrong with me?


Try using the protection spell and the regeneration spell. Both will make you harder to kill. Don't forget to use potions to heal your hp and refill mana from curing/buffs.

Take your time and don't try to rush until you've gotten the hang of the game.
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:55
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Nov 24 2017, 19:44) *

1. Monsters may drop a token after their death, however the chances to get one in this way is very low.
2. You can get a token as a random prize for finishing an arena. Arenas with more rounds tend to give a token more often.
3. You can get a token as one of the prizes in Lottery, however if your money balance is low, don't consider that method.

So, basically, just play arenas every day - the more arenas you will finish every day, more tokens you would get. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Read this post - it has lots of information about how to get equipment, how to get credits and overall tactics and hints. It looks huge, but it just because this thread has almost all necessary information to play that game well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

thanx
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post Nov 24 2017, 13:57
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QUOTE(holymoons @ Nov 24 2017, 14:44) *

thanx
But I think I always be defeated in random encounter.
What's wrong with me?


1. Lower your difficulty. Don't jump higher than your head - it does not worth it
2. You are playing as mage? Consider to play as melee (higher HP, higher defence, higher attack power). Mage is SUPER-powerfull, but only on high level (like level 400 and on), but on low level mage is very tricky to make it work right
3. Don't mix up your armor. There are three armor types: cloth (for mage), heavy (for melee), light (also for melee). Every of three has two subtypes. You should not mix heavy with light, or light with cloth, and so on. You can find more help here. I dare you to read that post (at least headers) if you want to play HentaiVerse well with little to no problems (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
4. Be sure you equipped your Abilities, Items and so on - again read the link above.

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THAT DIFFICULTY! O_O
Playing IWBTH difficulty on level 99!? You a brave soldier, you know? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Lower down your difficulty - this is A MUST. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)




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post Nov 24 2017, 15:04
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Nov 24 2017, 12:57) *
THAT DIFFICULTY! O_O
Playing IWBTH difficulty on level 99!? You a brave soldier, you know? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Lower down your difficulty - this is A MUST. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


But he's a HERO, it's written right next to his level. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
No, seriously. At level 100 one should play Normal/Hard difficulty, and nothing beyond.
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post Nov 24 2017, 15:12
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of question: have a blaze mage set of edb 80% (with prof glove) and wants to go towards more powers ╰(*´︶`*)╯ have to choose between investing on

( ・ω・)⊃-[二] ☆ _/ forg (forg 5 of all now, except staff and glove) - seems most expendings option because phazon is expendings)
ε=ε=┌( >_<)┘ investing on chargeds upgrades
(ノ≧∀≦)ノ ‥…━━━★ or I just start making a normals/frugal darkness set

according to f4tality's auction result list, darkset is actually the sheeapest Ꮚ•ꈊ•Ꮚ *baaa* options, even considering the dark stiff if you consider same quality as the currents one

considering main focus is just SG arenas (target is making all 3 + TTaTT everyday), would you recommends me just going to
dark side of not-moons ψ(▼へ▼メ)~→ or actuallys even dark impericulous set still not taht differents if was just barely forg?

QUOTE(f4tal @ Nov 24 2017, 09:57) *

THAT DIFFICULTY! O_O Playing IWBTH difficulty on level 99!? You a brave soldier, you know? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

fun things is that you can play IWBTPervert difficulty very nice and comfy, until exactly around lvl 90 when the spirits starts to appear (งಠ_ಠ)ง σ( •̀ ω •́ σ)

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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Nov 24 2017, 14:12) *

of question: have a blaze mage set of edb 80% (with prof glove) and wants to go towards more powers ╰(*´︶`*)╯ have to choose between investing on

( ・ω・)⊃-[二] ☆ _/ forg (forg 5 of all now, except staff and glove) - seems most expendings option because phazon is expendings)
ε=ε=┌( >_<)┘ investing on chargeds upgrades
(ノ≧∀≦)ノ ‥…━━━★ or I just start making a normals/frugal darkness set

according to f4tality's auction result list, darkset is actually the sheeapest Ꮚ•ꈊ•Ꮚ *baaa* options, even considering the dark stiff if you consider same quality as the currents one

considering main focus is just SG arenas (target is making all 3 + TTaTT everyday), would you recommends me just going to
dark side of not-moons ψ(▼へ▼メ)~→ or actuallys even dark impericulous set still not taht differents if was just barely forg?
fun things is that you can play IWBTPervert difficulty very nice and comfy, until exactly around lvl 90 when the spirits starts to appear (งಠ_ಠ)ง σ( •̀ ω •́ σ)


Okay, if I understood correctly:
- You now have a basic Fire mage set
- You consider 2 options:
1. Upgrade Fire to charged + forge the shit out of it
2. Change to Dark without charged or forging

I've recently changed to Dark, from Cold. Well, I have now 2 styles actually, but okay.

My findings:
1. Halfway-forged full charged dark is pretty close to Full-Forged Cold. Both Imperil style.
2. Unforged dark is hell. Compared to starting cold set.
3. Uncharged dark is hell. Compared to starting cold set
4. Cold is easier to get going.

My advice: Stick to elemental. Use some charged. Forge to perfection. Blast through PFFEST in 1 hr.

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post Nov 24 2017, 15:25
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Nov 24 2017, 15:12) *

of question: have a blaze mage set of edb 80% (with prof glove) and wants to go towards more powers ╰(*´︶`*)╯ have to choose between investing on

Good for you, you're 398. 2 more level and you can get any LDWD. Provided you have the credit, of course. To repeat what others have told me, dark/holy is only slightly faster than elemental. How much faster? Who knows! But to really compete in speed, you need to get several charged ones.

My aim is to do maging without imperil. And just received a shock that doing that require many radiant ones plus daemon duality 5 to really worth it. Uh..., that's expensive. I'm just collecting phase and cotton over 80% EDB/Prof so far. I'm still curious how my set will really fare.

So, I'm curious too. Any dark/holy mage doing non SG arenas without imperil? What we need to do the same?
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 24 2017, 11:19) *

1. Upgrade Fire to charged + forge the shit out of it

am not that rich ppl .・゚゚・(/ω\)・゚゚・.
to forg just edb to 50 of the 4 clothes would take almost half year by todays earning speed. +1 month for low%edb chargeds or +2-3moth for chargeds with nice% in edb

only options that can afford fast would be basic dark + forge to 5 (which means same as hav now just changing the elemen) (∩` ロ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎 but if would not drop my SG spanking time then not worthy to spend the money and best start to charge

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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Nov 24 2017, 11:25) *
and you can get any LDWD. Provided you have the credit, of course

noice stuff is expendings ヾ( ̄◇ ̄)ノ〃 calculated with katalox. wil-short staff would need more 1 month of arenamoneys
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