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It's accurate. But in today's market, only the high tier gets decent price. Seems like even starting mages only go vor the High-tier option. I suspect that the Destrucion is slightly better that the elemental suffix for cold and fire, though. maybe elemental fuffix could be called mid-tier?

ah, yes, that table. i'd say slightly incomplete,

So, what about this table?

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Fire: 4/4: Fiery Redwood of Destruction;
      3/4: Fiery Willow of Destruction;
      2/4: Fiery Redwood of Surtr;
      1/4: Fiery Redwood of Elementalist;
Cold: 4/4: Arctic Redwood of Destruction;
      3/4: Arctic Willow of Destruction;
      2/4: Arctic Redwood of Niflheim;
      1/4: Arctic Redwood of Elementalist;
Wind: 4/4: Tempestuous Willow of Destruction;
      3/4: Tempestuous Redwood of Freyr;
      2/4: Tempestuous Redwood of Destruction;
      1/4: Tempestuous Redwood of Elementalist;
Elec: 4/4: Shocking Willow of Destruction;
      3/4: Shocking Redwood of Destruction;
      2/4: Shocking Redwood of Mjolnir;
      1/4: Shocking Redwood of Elementalist;
Holy: 4/4: Hallowed Oak of Heimdall;
      3/4: Hallowed Katalox of Destruction;
      2/4: Hallowed Katalox of Heimdall;
      1/4: Hallowed Katalox of the Heaven-sent;
Dark: 4/4: Demonic Willow of Destruction;
      3/4: Demonic Katalox of Destruction;
      2/4: Demonic Katalox of Fenrir;
      1/4: Demonic Katalox of the Demon-fiend;

i'd say to wait for a mage with a decent background to pop out.

also, is it confirmed that staffs of foucs aren't viable at all?
and i won't even ask for oak of earth-walker, but what about a willow of curse-weaver? wouldn't it allow to go for less penetrator and less strict IWs or would Pen still be needed for dark spells - so that kind is garbage as well?

for burn/cool redwood hurtings vs elemen
pick base on range wiki for 100% (pearless, is of hungry ( ˘▽˘)っ♨)

at lvl 500 int 480 wis 480 staffprof 550 no daemonsperk (assumings these values)
(=`ω´=)
full normal/charged phase of icyhell forged to max in edb/int/wis
except elemen prof shoe also forged to max in int/wis
total edb 336.86
int/wis is same 707.98
(∩` ﾛ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎
at lvl 500 and max forgings artic crimsonwood of destruction : 1773.33 mdb and 102.45 edb int/wis 127.01
at lvl 500 and max forgings artic vermillionwood of notgoodenoughforvalhalla : 1089.45 mdb and 178.83 edb int/wis 127.01
(ﾉ≧∀≦)ﾉ ‥…━━━★
magic_dmg calculatings for elemental of destruction: 25097
magic_dmg calculatings for elemental of elemental: 24441

for burn/cool redwood hurtings vs elemen
pick base on range wiki for 100% (pearless, is of hungry ( ˘▽˘)っ♨)

good. i don't know exactly what a 500 magic score difference implies, but a 2.6% difference seems low enough to me to say they are somehow viable.

and now, let's try to explore a low-forging, mid-level market (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


[edit]: wrong emoticon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Nov 10 2017, 13:00

artic vermillionwood of notgoodenoughforvalhalla

Can we petition 10b to rename it to this officially?

Talking about switching to maging. In my case I am at level 428 and still no mage set. I figured when I switch I would focus on getting good staff first then build the rest of the set around whatever element of staff I got. I am certainly by no means rich yet but since I can spend high single digit millions I figured I may as well get a mid range staff to start so I dont need to replace that for a while.

on spell damage formula
magic_dmg 24445 gives a T3 elemens of 91669 in average with no crit, no channels, mitigation in 50%
magic_dmg 25097 gives a T3 of 94115 in same situationings

adds imperil in the mid and is of "wow it is (kinda) fuxxing nothings" o(>< )o... betters is betters though but betweens destruc MDB50%EDB40% and elemenMDB40%EDB65% maybes better get elemen?

if you considers ppl with radians, the differents mights be even lowers as you woulds be adding mdb in mix reduce relatives differents in final damage as is staff mdb + radiands mdb so the lower gets a bit of relatives bigger bonus here now? ヾ( ￣O￣)ツ

edit: also huge chance of me being wrong in calculationings am not math ppl, threw wiki data on X-cell (which means mutants cells ୧((#Φ益Φ#))୨

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Nov 10 2017, 13:58

Talking about switching to maging. In my case I am at level 428 and still no mage set. I figured when I switch I would focus on getting good staff first then build the rest of the set around whatever element of staff I got. I am certainly by no means rich yet but since I can spend high single digit millions I figured I may as well get a mid range staff to start so I dont need to replace that for a while.

Wise. There are several good mid-tier staffs for sale at the moment in auction. You could let the bidding decide which element to go for?


Edit: ah. you don't need advice, I see.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 10 2017, 14:17

Quick question: What are the recommended potencies for armor? Is it Juggernaut > Holyproof >= Darkproof > Fireproof = Coldproof = Elecproof = Windproof > Capacitor?

Quick question: What are the recommended potencies for armor? Is it Juggernaut > Holyproof >= Darkproof > Fireproof = Coldproof = Elecproof = Windproof > Capacitor?

Yes, you know - pretty much like this.

From all magical type attacks holy is most common (6%), then Void (6%), then Fire, Cold and Elec (all 3%) and then Dark and Wind (2%).

However, few bosses and schoolgirls have some nasty Dark attack, so you should get an extra defense against them

So, imho, the most optimized pattern for melee player is:
Juggernaut > (Capacitor?)* >> Holyproof > Darkproof > Fireproof = Coldproof = Elecproof > = Windproof > (Capacitor?)*
- so pretty much what you have posted above =)

* - Depending on your level, and MP pool. For 400+ player with 1600 MP with IA5 - Capacitor is useless.

This post has been edited by f4tal: Nov 10 2017, 16:06

Yes, you know - pretty much like this.

From all magical type attacks holy is most common (6%), then Void (6%), then Fire, Cold and Elec (all 3%) and then Dark and Wind (2%).

However, few bosses and schoolgirls have some nasty Dark attack, so you should get an extra defense against them

So, imho, the most optimized pattern for melee player is:
Juggernaut > (Capacitor?)* >> Holyproof > Darkproof > Fireproof = Coldproof = Elecproof > = Windproof > (Capacitor?)*
- so pretty much what you have posted above =)

* - Depending on your level, and MP pool. For 400+ player with 1600 MP with IA5 - Capacitor is useless.

Alright, thanks.

So, what about this table?

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Staff tier are variable depends on style you play.
-If you got good phases and forge them to a high level then Fiery/Arctic Willow Destruction would be better than Fiery/Arctic Redwood Destruction.
-Prof suffix is always a good choice if you play non-imperil(yes,you can play without imperil but that's not very efficient except several centain conditions).
*Except Demonic Willow of Destruction,it's way too strong that can performs better than Demonic Katalox of the Demon-fiend even using non-imperil.

for burn/cool redwood hurtings vs elemen
pick base on range wiki for 100% (pearless, is of hungry ( ˘▽˘)っ♨)

at lvl 500 int 480 wis 480 staffprof 550 no daemonsperk (assumings these values)
(=`ω´=)
full normal/charged phase of icyhell forged to max in edb/int/wis
except elemen prof shoe also forged to max in int/wis
total edb 336.86
int/wis is same 707.98
(∩` ﾛ ´)⊃━炎炎炎炎炎
at lvl 500 and max forgings artic crimsonwood of destruction : 1773.33 mdb and 102.45 edb int/wis 127.01
at lvl 500 and max forgings artic vermillionwood of notgoodenoughforvalhalla : 1089.45 mdb and 178.83 edb int/wis 127.01
(ﾉ≧∀≦)ﾉ ‥…━━━★
magic_dmg calculatings for elemental of destruction: 25097
magic_dmg calculatings for elemental of elemental: 24441

(Normally at lvl 500 you'll get about 540-560 at every Primary Attributes if you adding points average,or int/wis more than 600 if not so average.but assumings any values you like)
Elemental suffix would performs better if you have more elementlist cotton and more radiant

Yes, you know - pretty much like this.

From all magical type attacks holy is most common (6%), then Void (6%), then Fire, Cold and Elec (all 3%) and then Dark and Wind (2%).

However, few bosses and schoolgirls have some nasty Dark attack, so you should get an extra defense against them

So, imho, the most optimized pattern for melee player is:
Juggernaut > (Capacitor?)* >> Holyproof > Darkproof > Fireproof = Coldproof = Elecproof > = Windproof > (Capacitor?)*
- so pretty much what you have posted above =)

* - Depending on your level, and MP pool. For 400+ player with 1600 MP with IA5 - Capacitor is useless.

More Capacitor will make it cheaper to use mana elixir than mana potion,save both turns and credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Quick question: What are the recommended potencies for armor? Is it Juggernaut > Holyproof >= Darkproof > Fireproof = Coldproof = Elecproof = Windproof > Capacitor?

Frankly, considering the actual usefulness of potencies and the costs of reforging, I'd say that sticking to Jug5 and then whatever comes next to it is the best thing to do.

In others words: "Juggernaut > the rest" is all you need to know and consider.

Normally at lvl 500 you'll get about 540-560 at every Primary Attributes if you adding points average,or int/wis more than 600 if not so average.but assumings any values you like)
Elemental suffix would performs better if you have more elementlist cotton and more radiant

remaking calculatings for redwood valid for flame/ice, both same and biggest EDB in redwood
int/wis 600 staffprof 660 (500*1,2 *1,1 due to perk)
fully forged MDB, EDB, INT, WIS of staff and clothes, at lvl500, 1 prof sandals and 4 phase
staffings no potents
ヽ( ･∀･)ﾉ_θ彡☆Σ(ノ `Д´)ノ
elemen destruct:
no radians (normal/charged sets only): magic_dmg: 26262      t3 spell: 98484 of hurts
radians: magic_dmg: 29802     t3 spell: 111759 hurts
(ノ ˘_˘)ノ　ζ|||ζ　ζ|||ζ　ζ|||ζ
elemen of elemen:
no radiantings: magic_dmg: 25771     t3 spell: 96642 hurts
with radians: magic_dmg 29812     t3 spell: 111797 of pain
so... at max elemen elemen with 4/5 radiands is better by a tiny weenie bit that is worthings nothings at all (￢‿￢ )
with no radians, destruction > elements but not by a HUGE amounts. with radians elemen is more powers ╰(*´︶`*)╯ would bothers for final game peerless equip? yesses. for generals? next redwood staff upgrade for my burning set will be whatever has more mdb edb%, destruct or surted
__φ(◎◎ヘ) wiki formulas, scremaz forgings optimus spreadcheat to get the final values using wiki's equip range and to apply forging afterwards. might not apply outside my headcannon, am not maths ppl

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tl;dr

Any good matching staff is good.

How much I need Evade and Physical Mitigation to complete Pfudorfest with my dark set?
Is it even possible?

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This post has been edited by SleepDealer: Nov 10 2017, 21:20

tl;dr
Any good matching staff is good.

exactlys ٩(◕‿◕)۶

What is better to train?

What is better to train?

Everything and nothing.

If something seems cheap and interesting, train it. None of it is important really. If it seems expensive, don't train it.

Later on, when you're much higher level, some things might grow in importance.

What is better to train?

Hi Darber, welcome to this forum. You can find training advice for new players on the wiki advice.

Adept learner is useful for low level players, as is ability boost. But don't spend too much.