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Lol, non-penetrative weapon. If you give it to me I'll let you penetrate me. ;)

afaik the prefix suffix(?) is generated first, which implies a range of values the stat can assume
then, stat rolls happen, and they are rounded at a certain point to percentiles because - according to another mod - "admin likes them" [semicit. from IRC]
at that point you have your rolls on popup. then, level scaling happen.

tl;dr: base rolls are exact.

Your description is roughly consistent with my understanding, but it does not explain why the two linked rapiers have a damage base difference of the minimum 0.01, which is equal to an adb difference of a mere 0.12%, and much lower than the 0.0854 rounding increment listed on the wiki, which I have observed holds true for other stats (such as burden/interference which always assume values in multiples of 0.07).

Perhaps parts of our understanding are wrong. Let's try a slightly different test. Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? (For those who don't know, soulbound weapons scale to the observer's level and not the owner's level. If the base roll popup is backwards calculated, some of us may see a slightly different value).

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Oct 26 2017, 07:06

Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see?

I also see 80.92

no, i actually meant the prefix. suffix comes quite later.

Everyone reading this thread, can you please look at Basara Nekki's rapier and tell us if you see a base damage that is different from the 80.92 that I see? (For those who don't know, soulbound weapons scale to the observer's level and not the owner's level. If the base roll popup is backwards calculated, some of us may see a slightly different value).

as i told you, base rolls are exact and calculated first. scaled ones are calculated after those, and will be the same for users at the same level.

if any, they will slightly differ from what my spreadsheets (or even equip comparison, when it will be in place) tell you because i had to take the other way around.


btw, it's 80.92 for me too.

Is there a working script which allow me to see the real base stats(without the upgrades) from the equipments?

My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92.

Maybe reverse findings on Scremaz's forge excel spreadsheet?
    (⌒▽⌒)☆
Putting your data there said 75,94 ADB
ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ﾉ

Maybe reverse findings on Scremaz's forge excel spreadsheet?
    (⌒▽⌒)☆
Putting your data there said 75,94 ADB
ヽ(*⌒▽⌒*)ﾉ

Where did you find the setting for an axe? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Here:

My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92.

...... (*/▽＼*) I was of joking (≧◡≦)

Putting data on rapier on "forge optimizer 1h" and in rapier and waki on "forge optimizer DW" give all same result
I'm into supposings ___〆(・∀・) there is not differents in growth due to levels at all because both rapier and waki gave same results (* ^ ω ^)

I probably might be wrong tho'

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Oct 26 2017, 14:22

Is there a working script which allow me to see the real base stats(without the upgrades) from the equipments?

My Peerless Ethereal Axe of Slaughter has a base value of 133.83. But without upgrades it should be 75.92.

 EquipmentComparison.txt ( 131.33k ) Number of downloads: 13

Try this script.
1. First visit the the [alt.hentaiverse.org] equipment slots screen. You should see "Loading" string at the bottom.
2. Now visit whatever equipment you need and press the "T" button.
Script has problems with getting the base value from heavy-forged equipment - for example in your Axe it shows that base stat equals +76.24, not +75.92 as it supposed to be.

Where did you find the setting for an axe? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

there isn't. i tried to make it as generic as possible. you can use either one of the melee's ones.

 EquipmentComparison.txt ( 131.33k ) Number of downloads: 13

Try this script.
1. First visit the the [alt.hentaiverse.org] equipment slots screen. You should see "Loading" string at the bottom.
2. Now visit whatever equipment you need and press the "T" button.
Script has problems with getting the base value from heavy-forged equipment - for example in your Axe it shows that base stat equals +76.24, not +75.92 as it supposed to be.

it's the old version, right?

there isn't. i tried to make it as generic as possible. you can use either one of the melee's ones.
it's the old version, right?

Yes, it is.

Putting data on rapier on "forge optimizer 1h" and in rapier and waki on "forge optimizer DW" give all same result
I'm into supposings ___〆(・∀・) there is not differents in growth due to levels at all because both rapier and waki gave same results (* ^ ω ^)

yep, it's the same algorithm for every stat. the only things that change between spreadsheets is that i handpicked the most common builds and arranged stats for those. eventually put some corrective coefficients here and there (like ADB on offhand DW weapon), but that's that.

if any, i'd be surprised those two gave different results.

Yes, it is.

uh, ok. alright.

Can i clear the Eternal Darkness challenge or Triple Trio and the Tree in PFUDOR with this stats and equipment?
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/WEBrNGu.jpg)

Legendary Demonic Axe of the Vampire
Magnificent Rapier of Slaughter
Magnificent Leather Helmet of Warding
Magnificent Agile Leather Breastplate Of Deflection
Magnificent Amber Leather Gauntlets Of Protection
Magnificent Jade Leather Leggings of Warding
Exquisite Amber Leather Boots of Stoneskin

And do i have to change style to be able to clear that challenge?

This post has been edited by dragon54: Oct 26 2017, 19:00

Secret is trying Arena lvl 1 ヘ(￣ω￣ヘ)
And going up to see

To be into honestings ヾ(´〇`)ﾉ I don't think I could with my current Light set, and I have Mag/Leg Shade of the Fleet on

no, i actually meant the prefix. suffix comes quite later.
as i told you, base rolls are exact and calculated first. scaled ones are calculated after those, and will be the same for users at the same level.

if any, they will slightly differ from what my spreadsheets tell you because i had to take the other way around

Prefix on weapon doesn't change damage value though so I guess we can ignore it here. Suffix worries me slightly since wiki implies it might roll twice for damage, so comparing balance weapons (for damage) would be better, if I can find some interesting examples.

I assume base rolls are exact, as you describe. What I am paranoid of is only the popup. I have observed other large rounding fluctuations (~0.04) with it after forge/butcher that have come to make me distrust it. I realize they will differ from hand calculations or your spreadsheets, which are done backward. But neither do I trust the popups, especially after seeing the shocking and arctic rapier which I theorize ought to have the exact same base roll.

Can i clear the Eternal Darkness challenge or Triple Trio and the Tree in PFUDOR with this stats and equipment?

And do i have to change style to be able to clear that challenge?

The style is ok, but you need better equipments. For starters, search for a rapier of the nimble (instead of that rapier of slaughter) and at least 1 or 2 shades (agility and evade are important). You can also change that axe for a slaughter one or use that rapier of slaughter and a wakizashi of the nimble

To be into honestings ヾ(´〇`)ﾉ I don't think I could with my current Light set, and I have Mag/Leg Shade of the Fleet on

Those arenas are a joke. I cleared DwD with two leathers and 3 crappy shades at level 300

Those arenas are a joke. I cleared DwD with two leathers and 3 crappy shades at level 300

Shall into testings ( ` ω ´ )

And do i have to change style to be able to clear that challenge?

You need to change your Persona namings (」°ロ°)」 Dual is very uncreative and it is not acceptable at all

dragon54, yeah do like what reality_marble said. Start at low arenas and work your way up and see. In my guess, no I don't think that is strong enough. Even if it is, you will struggle and chug too many potions to make it worthwhile. You can probably clear the first page of arenas.

Right now with my DW I think I can clear all arenas on pfudor but it will waste potions or take too long, so I only cleared up to Arena 60 with it. Might be able to clear SG arenas reasonably (haven't tried) as they are different.

I have a question about builds:
I am currently using shade + Ethereal DW, but single target is pretty slow when farming arenas for leveling. Is it worth going Two handed for multi target? And if so, should I stay with shade armor (considering I spent quite a bit on the equipment)?

This post has been edited by Doomstalker: Oct 26 2017, 20:50

dragon54, yeah do like what reality_marble said. Start at low arenas and work your way up and see.

That isn't a good idea. It's possible to clear SG arenas with mediocre equipments because they don't have many monsters. Unless your DW is very good you can't clear easily (because you can, but struggling a bit) arenas with 7-10 monsters on it

This post has been edited by lololo16: Oct 26 2017, 20:49

I did mention that, too.