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nope, its multiplicative.

Ok, double checked, I removed a 3.1 agile and action speed was reduced from 35.1 to 33.
I just checked the decimal part and assumed the integral one was 3 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

if nothing else, we know that Speed from Agile prefix and Speed from Swift behave the same way (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Weird that speed adds multiplicatively like that. But here's a complication: swift strike plus natural speed from a wakizashi are purely additive. I checked with this wakizashi a while back. 11.66% natural attack speed plus 9.62% swift strike equaled 21.28% attack speed.

Weird that speed adds multiplicatively like that. But here's a complication: swift strike plus natural speed from a wakizashi are purely additive. I checked with this wakizashi a while back. 11.66% natural attack speed plus 9.62% swift strike equaled 21.28% attack speed.

within the same equip yes, sure. swift strike adds 2% attack speed. seems an oddity because the other potencies either start from zero (fatality and overpower) or are a number and not a percentage (butcher), but works in the exact same way.

if we want, what is added multiplicatively is the speed from that waki on the whole build.

you're speaking about casting speed. casting speed is reported to be additive. action speed should be multiplicative, but we still don't know how it exactly stacks with Haste

Yeah, my question is basically this:
Is effective attack speed equal to
1-(1-att.spd)(1-haste.modifier) (most likely)
1-(1+att.spd)*(1+haste.modifier) (less likely)
or att.spd+haste.modifier (unlikely)
According to https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats#Attack_Speed
Attack speed sourced from equipment should be additive with itself, and stack multiplicatively in a diminishing way, with separate modifiers (proficiency, burden, stats)
Same question for casting speed. (Should be testable, since "tick" speeds are standardized; you can test number of attacks or spells against number of ticks of a buff.)
I understand that at least for equipment and proficiency, casting speed is additive.

This post has been edited by Deathglass: Oct 25 2017, 04:18

In videos the internet of the people always seems to be very very fast C= C= C= C=┌( `ー´)┘
What kind of thing determines how fast your turns/second are? Ping? Download speed? Upload speed?

Hello, this is my first post (although I joined a long time ago).

So I've recently gets bored with nintendo difficulty and switch to the iwbth level, and tbh its a completely different beast, I can survive if its only 5-6 monster, but I sometimes get One shot'd by spirit attacks..

so can I ask any improvements that I can made?

I use 1H+Shield and mostly uses protect + haste spell combo, its enough in nintendo but I need draught and regen for IWBTH.







many thanks before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Playing on nintendo is okay for your level. But i would suggest dont use shade armor with 1H, 1H should be used with Power armor. Also does this mean you only use Protec and haste as support spells? If so, try to use also shadow veil, that should improve your survivability at your level.

Playing on nintendo is okay for your level. But i would suggest dont use shade armor with 1H, 1H should be used with Power armor. Also does this mean you only use Protec and haste as support spells? If so, try to use also shadow veil, that should improve your survivability at your level.

Yeah, but its getting boring, and I want to level fast thats why I challenging IWBTH, is it to early for me?

thanks for the advice, but I don't understand what power armor means, I only ever seen dampening/stoneskin/deflect etc. is it refer to that?

I use shade because I think its the highest level in my equip (sorry but I don't really understand equip stat other than the prefix indication), plus its has lots of additional bonus.

I seldom use shadow veil, only use it if I got the additional buff (the one that make 1 MP usage). in terms of support my priorities are: protec->haste->regen->veil.

I only ever seen dampening/stoneskin/deflect etc. is it refer to that?

Those are plate armors (and are fine for someone of your level). He is talking about this kind of armor. Power armors have attack damage and accuracy, crit chance and damage

I use shade because I think its the highest level in my equip (sorry but I don't really understand equip stat other than the prefix indication), plus its has lots of additional bonus.

Have you checked FreeShop?
Do pay it a visit, and take what you can.


and send me some mana elixir (LOL)

At your level it's possible to beat almost everything on pfudor, but you have to be using a better style (1H is not strongest at your level, but it soon will be so don't worry) and you need better equipment. Your equipment is not as good as it could be at your level. I had mostly magnificent at your level. (Unfortunately, I'm not really any better now than I was back then, so maybe I was lucky I don't know).

You are probably fighting at the level you can manage. Keep on trying to fight at high difficulty so you can get better equipment drops. You will know when the difficulty is too high because either you will die (impossible to survive) or chug so many potions it is not sustainable.

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Oct 25 2017, 06:51

Innate Arcana I - absolutely.
Then cannon. Then IA II, that's what I'd do.

Innate Arcana I is fantastic and cheap, so buy it first.
Innate Arcana II (and III) is good too, but maybe on this point 21 pony is better purchase...
It depends on how many skills you are using in the battle, how often you need to recast, how lazy you are in recasting them over and over again, what is your build and difficulty, do you have any problem with killing enemies or you need extra support, what is your build, etc. etc, etc.
If you want to skip all this and just be cool, then
Do, IA1 -> IA2 -> 21 pony -> IA3;
or, IA1 -> 21 pony -> IA2 -> IA3;
Depending on your finance.
Auto-training? No, it is prohibited.
However, creating the script that will show you counter when your training is over and you able to do next one, with alarming you via sound-signal or popup - is NOT prohibited.

Thanks for advice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Ok~just got enough credit to unlock IA I & II + Cannon
unlocked IA I & II
going to open a WTB thread to buy figurines later.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
So the next perk i should unlock is IA III? and Vigorous Vitality next?

i put haste and protection in auto cast slot
should i change it to spark of life & spirit shield?
or change protection to shadow viel?

i usually keep haste , regen , protection & shadow viel on..(Nintendo level 110~200 Arena)(IWBTH looks scary for me...haven't try it in those arena (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) should i try it?)
or
haste , regen , protection , shadow viel , spark of life & spirit shield for IWBHT Ring of Blood and Random Encounter
and
use draught when mp sp left less than half..Hp draught when regen is not enough..

any advice? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
should i try PFUDOR?

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how to get Level Unassigned equipment for superior and above?
saw some thread got this kind of equip?

This post has been edited by TakanashiRi: Oct 25 2017, 07:08

Those are plate armors (and are fine for someone of your level). He is talking about this kind of armor. Power armors have attack damage and accuracy, crit chance and damage

Hmm so its a heavy armor, Currently I'm proc'ing light armor (its just happen naturally), won't I be too late to proc heavy armor? and does light armor keep up in late game? say after lv200?

Have you checked FreeShop?
Do pay it a visit, and take what you can.
and send me some mana elixir (LOL)

Sorry but I don't know what a FreeShop is, a menu after xxx level? or a sub forum?

At your level it's possible to beat almost everything on pfudor, but you have to be using a better style (1H is not strongest at your level, but it soon will be so don't worry) and you need better equipment. Your equipment is not as good as it could be at your level. I had mostly magnificent at your level. (Unfortunately, I'm not really any better now than I was back then, so maybe I was lucky I don't know).

You are probably fighting at the level you can manage. Keep on trying to fight at high difficulty so you can get better equipment drops. You will know when the difficulty is too high because either you will die (impossible to survive) or chug so many potions it is not sustainable.

Yeah its sucks when I only have 2-3 monster left, and they killed me instantly with some spirit attacks. I guess I need to buy magnificent prefix armor?

Just try to drop magnificent armor, they aren't that rare, and don't be afraid to use leather or plate instead of shade and power. Use the best quality armors you drop.

Try to use Spark of Life as much as possible. You are at a level where you should be heavily relying on it. Why did you upgrade spirit if you didn't upgrade Spark of Life, your only good use for it? ;)

Takanashi, I suggest you take a look at ST-Ru's free equipment rental in WTS. Borrow the Legendary Plate Leggings and Legendary Plate Sabatons. I used those exact ones from level 240 to 300. After that, try to get a slightly better weapon, and make it IW10. After this you will be like invincible for a while (because of your centerpiece amazing armor) and will surely clear anything on pfudor.

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Oct 25 2017, 07:28

Hello, this is my first post (although I joined a long time ago).

So I've recently gets bored with nintendo difficulty and switch to the iwbth level, and tbh its a completely different beast, I can survive if its only 5-6 monster, but I sometimes get One shot'd by spirit attacks..

so can I ask any improvements that I can made?

I use 1H+Shield and mostly uses protect + haste spell combo, its enough in nintendo but I need draught and regen for IWBTH.







many thanks before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's absolutely okay to chug draughts and use regen, just preferably not actual potions.
Silence stops spirit attacks, but the only way to reliably deal with spirit attacks is spark of life (which you absolutely want on innate arcana, because it doesn't cost extra mana to recast when it's popped) or spirit shield.
You're going to want deprecating abilities, mainly weaken and silence, which pretty much completely nullify enemies. Pretty useful against bosses.

Yeah, as someone who was just there, dual wield with rapier of slaughter/wakizashi of the nimble has better damage and survivability in light (wakizashi of the nimble will give more parry than the block you get from a shield, has an AOE attack too). Rapier is generally necessary for the best offensive ability, since it has penetrated armor. You can also use rapier offhand and axe of slaughter mainhand for more damage, if survivability isn't a problem.
1h is a heavy armor style that doesn't synergize with evasion, since you want to block and parry to counter attacks, rather than evade them (with 1h, you go heavy and don't use shadow veil at all). 1h heavy has bad resist/magic mitigation, so I wouldn't recommend it until you get silence for multiple enemies, or spirit shield. Against a low number of low difficulty enemies, haste and attack speed can also limit how much you can use your spirit stance if you aren't getting enough counterattacks.

Also note that when you're switching to new things, low proficiency might make them less effective at first.

This post has been edited by Deathglass: Oct 25 2017, 07:38

Hmm so its a heavy armor, Currently I'm proc'ing light armor (its just happen naturally), won't I be too late to proc heavy armor? and does light armor keep up in late game? say after lv200?

You need to choose. Heavy armor for 1H or light armor for 2H, Dual Wielding or Niten. All of them have their good and bad points (I like all of them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) )

Sorry but I don't know what a FreeShop is, a menu after xxx level? or a sub forum?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=163637

i never had any monster with PL greater than PL200.

So I am wondering , much worth of crystals are needed to make a monster reach PL750 and PL 1499.?
(wants to determine ,if it is even worth buying crystals or not)

Hmm so its a heavy armor, Currently I'm proc'ing light armor (its just happen naturally), won't I be too late to proc heavy armor? and does light armor keep up in late game? say after lv200?

Equipment works in a few simple ways. First, go to the "bazaar->Equipment Shop. You see the main categories of stuff there: 1h, 2h, staff, shield, cloth, light, heavy.

Each of those categories has some subtypes.
1H: Rapier, Axe, Club, Shortsword, Wakizashi.
2H: Estoc, Longsword, Mace, Katana
Staff: ...ask a mage. A bunch of sticks.
Shield: Buckler, Kite, Force
Cloth: Cotton, Phase (mostly ignore, mage stuff)
Light: Leather, Shade
Heavy: Plate, Power

Every piece of gear has a quality: crude, fair, average, superior, exquisite, magnificent, legendary, peerless.
Better quality gear has better stats. This should be your overall main thing to focus on improving on all your gear.

Gear also scales to your level. So level 100 gear will have certain stats, but level 150 gear is just plain better, and so on. You'll want to periodically ditch old gear in favor of new gear, while also trying to maintain or improve the quality tier.

In addition to that, some gear has prefixes. What prefixes are available depends on the type and/or subtype. A lot of weapons have offensive prefixes like elemental strikes (tempestuous or demonic for example). Armors often have resistances (amber or onyx for example). There are quite a few, but you will eventually notice there are some patterns, and you can also learn which ones are most important to your style as you get higher level. Prefixes are comparatively rare, so don't worry too much about them yet.

Suffixes are also somewhat diverse, and depend on types and/or subtypes, with weapons having mostly offensive and armors having mostly defensive ones (but not 100%; there are defensive suffixes for weapons and offensive ones for armors). "Of Slaughter" is one you'll get suggested a lot, since it is the raw damage suffix. All else equal, two pieces of gear will be overall similar, but the "of Slaughter" one will have more raw base damage. In contrast "of Balance" will have more physical accuracy and crit chance. "of Protection" for physical mitigation, "warding" for magical mitigation, "dampeng" for crushing mitigation, "stoneskin" for slashing mitigation, "deflection" for piercing mitigation, as well as a bunch of elemental suffixes!

Again, you'll eventually get used to all of them and learn which ones are most important overall. They aren't super important yet. If you see two weapons and both are Superior quality, you might favor one with "of Slaughter" suffix. But an Exquisite weapon with no suffix is probably better.

The thing you'll mainly want to focus on is figuring out a "style." What you put in your hands for weapon(s) is part of it, and what you wear to protect yourself/boost your damage is the other part. Shade (light) and Power (heavy) armors give less defensive value in exchange for boosting offense more than leather (light) and plate (heavy). Light armor is good for "speedy" builds due to raising agility for evasion and attack speed, while heavy armor gives more mitigation.

A lot of advice says "do whatever" at your level. I used 2H+light armor (favoring shade for damage boosts). I have since switched over to 1H+heavy (favoring power armor) for now. Some day I'll maybe start playing as a mage. This game makes it pretty easy to switch over. There are reasons why some weapon styles work better with some armor types, but the difference isn't too important while low level. Higher levels will accumulate better gear with bigger stat differences, and need to specialize in certain ways to eek out more power.

Sorry but I don't know what a FreeShop is, a menu after xxx level? or a sub forum?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showforum=77

The WTS sub-forum has shops in it with "FREE" in their titles. Read through them, see what their rules are, and you will get quite a bit of free stuff, including helpful lowbie gear and lots of potions.

This post has been edited by Cryosite: Oct 25 2017, 09:21

i never had any monster with PL greater than PL200.

So I am wondering , much worth of crystals are needed to make a monster reach PL750 and PL 1499.?
(wants to determine ,if it is even worth buying crystals or not)

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab

Less than 1 crystal pack to hit PL200.
~25 crystal packs to hit PL750.
~600 crystal packs to hit PL1499.