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post Oct 19 2017, 03:29
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Oct 18 2017, 21:31) *

I suppose that past a certain level one would get insulted for being in that case.


Oh, but it's just to take a comparative test. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I think no one will suffer much if you run without scripts and IA for just one day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Oct 18 2017, 21:51) *

Is there a reason for not using scripts and IA?
They would massively simplify your play experience, and there is no downside in using them.


In the case of scripts, I do not use it for stubbornness. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) In early 2016 I thought about using, but as I did not understand how to install and configure, I gave up. I even read the related topics at the time, but instead of clarifying only increased confusion. I would look at this bunch of codes and just get more dizzy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Sincerely, I hope someday the improvements contained in the scripts can be officially adopted by Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And about IA I did not find it so urgent, and then I preferred to use my haths to buy Tokenizer I & II. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) And now I'm thinking of buying the EXP perks (all).

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I am not alone! You are my hero. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)


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post Oct 19 2017, 04:05
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Installing scripts is pretty easy:
*Install Tampermonkey from Chrome Web Store
*Once installed, go to Extensions
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*Give Tampermonkey access to files from your computer (don't worry, it won't do anything weird)
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*Click on the Tampermonkey icon, and click on add new script
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*Localize the downloaded script, and drag & drop it into the new script window
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*It will open a new tab, click on install
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There you go, script installed!
The best part about Monsterbation is that you can personalize it to your liking, it has many useful features.
Like binding all curative spells and items to a key and use them in the order you want, or setting up melee skills (and items) in the hover cycle so you don't have to cast them, stopping hover when your desired buff or draught is almost gone, the low health/mana/spirit warning/stop hover and many more.
This script has every variable well explained, so you know easily what it does and how to modify them.
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post Oct 19 2017, 04:42
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Oct 19 2017, 03:29) *

Well, i wouldnt call you hero, but i am quite impressed about what you do. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Oct 19 2017, 10:19
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 19 2017, 02:22) *
As for IA, in my opinion the mana drain is not worth it until you buy IA3 to reduce the mana cost. You can save a lot of mana by casting the regular way and going for channeling. Past level 400, I can see the argument that it should be used. But if you are poor like me, 2 million credits is a dream. I rarely have more than 200k credits, I'm generally in the red and training is all lagging behind. (I have tons of mastery points unused).

I think I bought my first IA at level 270.
at that time, hath is priced around 8k to 9k each.

However, it is
MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT!!
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post Oct 19 2017, 11:30
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Oct 19 2017, 04:05) *

Installing scripts is pretty easy:
*Install Tampermonkey from Chrome Web Store

OT: someone should really explain me why one would need to resort to use Chrome (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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post Oct 19 2017, 12:48
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IA1 is almost needed though. If you get hit for 15K at 250-300, you want to be able to rely on your Spark proc; having to recast it manually leaves you potentially open for another instakill, which just drains you further (MP/SP). The argument could be made for IA2, but at the very least IA1 Spark is highly recommended. Double drain reduction on IA2 is nice though (assuming it's 10 to 20, from memory).
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post Oct 19 2017, 13:14
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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Oct 19 2017, 13:48) *
IA1 is almost needed though. If you get hit for 15K at 250-300, you want to be able to rely on your Spark proc; having to recast it manually leaves you potentially open for another instakill, which just drains you further (MP/SP). The argument could be made for IA2, but at the very least IA1 Spark is highly recommended. Double drain reduction on IA2 is nice though (assuming it's 10 to 20, from memory).

Agreed with it.
Personally, I think first-second-third IAs are must. They maybe not the first priority, but extremely useful, no doubts.
As for forth-fifth IAs - it depends on build only. 1H/Heavy don't need them, mage do. I am 1H/Heavy, but I still bought them just because I had free money and had nothing better to do (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Oct 19 2017, 13:16
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 19 2017, 13:14) *

As for forth-fifth IAs - it depends on build only. 1H/Heavy don't need them, mage do. I am 1H/Heavy, but I still bought them just because I had free money and had nothing better to do (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

small fix: every other style apart for 1H heavy can use them, not strictly limited to mage.
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post Oct 19 2017, 13:18
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 19 2017, 14:16) *
small fix: every other style apart for 1H heavy can use them, not strictly limited to mage.

Of course. I just told about 1H/Heavy and mage as two examples (and most popular builds) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 19 2017, 13:28
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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Oct 19 2017, 12:48) *

IA1 is almost needed though. If you get hit for 15K at 250-300, you want to be able to rely on your Spark proc; having to recast it manually leaves you potentially open for another instakill, which just drains you further (MP/SP). The argument could be made for IA2, but at the very least IA1 Spark is highly recommended. Double drain reduction on IA2 is nice though (assuming it's 10 to 20, from memory).


Actually there is another major issue with SoL: when you cast it manually you consume mana worth for dozens, if not hundreds of turns. If it gets triggered quickly after being cast, you've wasted a lot of mana for nothing. Even if there was no mana cost reduction coming with IA1, you'd still save mana for that reason.
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post Oct 19 2017, 14:06
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 18 2017, 23:00) *
How much time do you guys need to clear that arena with 1H?

My stats are:
~1,600 turns
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 18 2017, 23:00) *
I cleared for the first time T&T with 1H. It took me 11:30 min, 2:20 min more than when I do it with my favorite style. Is it too slow?

It is better to use "turns" measure, not "time", because all we have different bandwidth here, or at least report your "tps" too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
In my opinion, 11:30 - is a good time. I don't think I ever managed to finish T&T that fast on your level (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 19 2017, 14:53
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 19 2017, 13:14) *
... I am 1H/Heavy, but I still bought them just because I had free money and had nothing better to do (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Damn you. Come to poor player thread and buy me some IA!
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post Oct 19 2017, 15:10
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Oct 19 2017, 15:53) *

Damn you. Come to poor player thread and buy me some IA!

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Right now I have 774,056 credits, so I am open for donations myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I received few "thanks" in form of credits for making HVtoolBox script - and I spend those money on buyin new equipment and few hath perks.
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post Oct 19 2017, 17:37
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What are the best IAs for a DW/Light build?
I use spirit shield, haste and protection. Just noticed that we can put in Spark of life too.
I do not even remember SoL being an option, is it a newer addidtion?

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post Oct 19 2017, 17:41
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QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 17:37) *

What are the best IAs for a DW/Light build?
I use spirit shield, haste and protection. Just noticed that we can put in Spark of life too.
I do not even remember SoL being an option, is it a newer addidtion?

it depends since when. not for the last year or so.

either way, it depends on the number of IAs you already have.

as a rule of thumb, Protection always has the least priority. the other ones are pretty much all needed. SoL may be worth it since it autorecasts immediately, but if you don't have too much survivability issues you may want to skip it. your call.
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post Oct 19 2017, 17:42
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QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 17:37) *
What are the best IAs for a DW/Light build?


All.
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post Oct 19 2017, 17:47
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Well, survivability is an issue, and I hate having to use SoL for it's mana cost. Thanks for the tip that protection has the lowest priority, I'll switch it out rn. Also, is it too much game breaking to have regen on IA too?
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post Oct 19 2017, 17:50
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QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 17:47) *

Also, is it too much game breaking to have regen on IA too?

yep. and same goes for auto-casting regeneratives every said rounds, i suppose.
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post Oct 19 2017, 17:53
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QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 12:37) *

What are the best IAs for a DW/Light build?
I use spirit shield, haste and protection. Just noticed that we can put in Spark of life too.
I do not even remember SoL being an option, is it a newer addidtion?

Spark, Shadow Veil and Haste. I don't use spirt shield (but I only use DW for SG arenas...)

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post Oct 19 2017, 18:17
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Did a little test to find what monsters are more common:

Total: 5913
  • Giant: 810,
  • Dragonkin: 733,
  • Celestial: 700,
  • Undead: 637
  • Arthropod: 537,
  • Mechanoid: 419,
  • Elemental: 359,
  • Humanoid: 356,
  • Daimon: 323,
  • Beast: 322,
  • Sprite: 295,
  • Reptilian: 235,
  • Avion: 187,
  • Arthropod / Crushing: 204,
  • Arthropod / Piercing: 333,
  • Avion / Piercing: 119,
  • Avion / Slashing: 68,
  • Beast / Piercing: 193,
  • Beast / Slashing: 129,
  • Celestial / Crushing: 374,
  • Celestial / Slashing: 326,
  • Daimon / Piercing: 145,
  • Daimon / Slashing: 178,
  • Dragonkin / Crushing: 235,
  • Dragonkin / Piercing: 498,
  • Elemental / Cold: 100,
  • Elemental / Elec: 101,
  • Elemental / Fire: 33,
  • Elemental / Wind: 125,
  • Giant / Crushing: 810,
  • Humanoid / Crushing: 42,
  • Humanoid / Piercing: 199,
  • Humanoid / Slashing: 115,
  • Mechanoid / Piercing: 284,
  • Mechanoid / Slashing: 135,
  • Reptilian / Piercing: 165,
  • Reptilian / Slashing: 70,
  • Sprite / Piercing: 248,
  • Sprite / Slashing: 47,
  • Undead / Crushing: 410,
  • Undead / Slashing: 227
  • Crushing: 2075,
  • Piercing: 2184,
  • Slashing: 1295
  • Wind: 125,
  • Elec: 101,
  • Cold: 100,
  • Fire: 33,
QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 18:37) *
What are the best IAs for a DW/Light build?

All (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
No, seriously, they all good (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Protection is lowest priority because its duration is longest among all buffs - so we can assume that re-casting expired Protection is not that big problem.
My calls are: Spark of Life, Shadow Veil & Haste. Spirit Shield, imho, least important of four (but still!)

QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 18:37) *
I do not even remember SoL being an option, is it a newer addidtion?

You can auto-cast it since 27 December 2011‎ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Two possible explanations here:
1. Either you just missed that spell (most likely);
2. Or you haven't opened that spell when you configure IA (least likely);

QUOTE(yrch @ Oct 19 2017, 18:47) *
Also, is it too much game breaking to have regen on IA too?

Yes, it is - it is like making life of bot-keepers easier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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