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post Oct 18 2017, 17:04
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It takes me 3 hours so don't worry. My turns/second cannot exceed 0.7 until I change browser or PC. If using a different computer I think it's maybe over 2, like other people.
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post Oct 18 2017, 17:11
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 18 2017, 16:43) *

Comparing a Peerless Hallowed Katalox Staff of Destruction to a Peerless Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall.
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You are changing both the suffix and the type of staff (oak for example has lower prof but higher edb compared to katalox).
It will never be a fair comparison.
You should compare a Peerless Hallowed Katalox Staff of Destruction to a Peerless Hallowed Katalox Staff of Heimdall if you want to check MDB suffix vs EDB suffix.
Also the results should factor in a whole mage set since magic damage is MDB * (1 + EDB / 100 ).
So 100 EDB from staff when you have 300 from phases and 100 EDB from staff when you have 0 from phases give a totally different result.
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post Oct 18 2017, 17:14
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 18 2017, 13:11) *

So 100 EDB from staff when you have 300 from phases and 100 EDB from staff when you have 0 from phases give a totally different result.

That is it (*/▽\*) back to the drawing board
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post Oct 18 2017, 18:07
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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Oct 18 2017, 19:55) *

All Rich 1H people does Pfudor DWD under 25m
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And some poor mages can do it in ~15 minutes
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post Oct 18 2017, 18:33
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QUOTE(SleepDealer @ Oct 18 2017, 18:07) *

And some poor mages can do it in ~15 minutes


~15 minutes is quite good for elemental mage. I don't consider my set to be a poor mage's set. It's the Legendary Set of the Over-Spender. I't all Prada, you know
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post Oct 18 2017, 19:35
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 18 2017, 17:11) *

Also the results should factor in a whole mage set since magic damage is MDB * (1 + EDB / 100 ).

uhu. fair enough, among other things it's a function of two variables, sure...
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post Oct 18 2017, 19:59
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 18 2017, 11:43) *

DwD last night took me 1hour and half ( ; ω ; ) How much the non-maging rich people take to finish that?

27 min, but I'm poor
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post Oct 18 2017, 21:01
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27 min, but I'm poor

But aren't you an user of the Two Heavens As One ヘ(>_<ヘ)☆ \_(((  ̄□)_/ ☆ (ノ>_<)ノ Sword Style ?

What is your current set ( ・∀・)¤=[]:::::>
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post Oct 18 2017, 21:22
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 18 2017, 16:01) *

But aren't you an user of the Two Heavens As One ヘ(>_<ヘ)☆ \_(((  ̄□)_/ ☆ (ノ>_<)ノ Sword Style ?

That's right. For that reason I had to play dual wielding as well.
I don't use 1H style (too much).

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post Oct 18 2017, 21:47
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 18 2017, 12:43) *

DwD last night took me 1hour and half ( ; ω ; ) How much the non-maging rich people take to finish that?


If the internet is good, it will take me 35 minutes (with 1H). And if it is bad, between 45 and 50 minutes.

Most likely, your internet is not very good, that is, it does not have a stable connection.
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post Oct 18 2017, 22:00
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I cleared for the first time T&T with 1H. It took me 11:30 min, 2:20 min more than when I do it with my favorite style. Is it too slow? How much time do you guys need to clear that arena with 1H?

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post Oct 18 2017, 22:11
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 18 2017, 18:00) *

I cleared for the first time T&T with 1H. It took me 11:30 min, 2:20 min more than when I do it with my favorite style. Is it too slow? How much time do you guys need to clear that arena with 1H?


13 minutes (with 1H). But since my internet is unstable, I can not always repeat that time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 18 2017, 22:49
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Oct 18 2017, 17:11) *

13 minutes (with 1H). But since my internet is unstable, I can not always repeat that time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

But you aren't taking into account the time you lose by playing without scripts
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post Oct 18 2017, 23:05
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 18 2017, 22:00) *

How much time do you guys need to clear that arena with 1H?

Around 8 minutes last time I checked.

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 18 2017, 18:33) *

~15 minutes is quite good for elemental mage. I don't consider my set to be a poor mage's set. It's the Legendary Set of the Over-Spender. I't all Prada, you know

And I've probably got the Set of the Under-Spender since I needed less than 15M + 2 lottieries + 1 self drop to get to
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(anyway time is very bad way to measure the performance of a style, total turns is a so much better metric)

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post Oct 19 2017, 00:05
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Oct 18 2017, 18:49) *

But you aren't taking into account the time you lose by playing without scripts


This is true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

But we will only know the difference if:

1-) I start using scripts (when I reach level 500 I think about it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )

2-) Someone else play without scripts and without Innate Arcana, and calculate the percentage difference of loss of time and turns.
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post Oct 19 2017, 00:15
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 18 2017, 18:05) *

Around 8 minutes last time I checked.

This will be my goal. Thanks

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Someone else play without scripts and without Innate Arcana

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post Oct 19 2017, 01:31
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Oct 19 2017, 00:05) *
Someone else play without scripts and without Innate Arcana


I suppose that past a certain level one would get insulted for being in that case.
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post Oct 19 2017, 01:51
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Oct 18 2017, 19:05) *

This is true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

But we will only know the difference if:

1-) I start using scripts (when I reach level 500 I think about it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )

2-) Someone else play without scripts and without Innate Arcana, and calculate the percentage difference of loss of time and turns.

Is there a reason for not using scripts and IA?
They would massively simplify your play experience, and there is no downside in using them.
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post Oct 19 2017, 02:12
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Someone else play without scripts and without Innate Arcana

I am not alone! You are my hero. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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post Oct 19 2017, 02:22
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Is there a reason for not using scripts and IA?
They would massively simplify your play experience, and there is no downside in using them.

After a week of testing, the monsterbation hover script did not improve my turns/second, therefore I disabled the hover while retaining its other features. This will occur if your connection, PC, or browser is very slow. In this case the clicking speed gain is minimal, and you actually lose physical mouse time due to the hover mechanic (clicking style is faster in terms of the associated mouse movement). My 0.7 turns/second is unchanged with hover on.

If you are low level, under-equipped, or weak, then the hover script further slows you down, because you will tend to scramble more doing other actions, rather than straight up attacking.

As for IA, in my opinion the mana drain is not worth it until you buy IA3 to reduce the mana cost. You can save a lot of mana by casting the regular way and going for channeling. Past level 400, I can see the argument that it should be used. But if you are poor like me, 2 million credits is a dream. I rarely have more than 200k credits, I'm generally in the red and training is all lagging behind. (I have tons of mastery points unused).
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