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Oct 3 2017, 00:52
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 3 2017, 00:39)  After some thought I decided to try out a test run for the son of blackjac idea.
As soon as I hit level 300 I will stop playing for a while and anyone who trusts me can send their trophies, which I will redeem and send back for free. Clients make posts in my thread saying roughly how many trophies they send over, and I post publicly any noteworthy equipment they receive. Clients may self-verify that I send back equal quantities. By keeping timed logs, the possibility of stealing is lowered. (If later on I am discovered to have any level 300 legendaries that cannot be sourced, everyone can lynch me).
I will either redeem my own trophies before this process starts and log any noteworthy results, or redeem/sell them after passing level 300. (If I self-drop a legendary while I am level 300 that would be bad, so it might be better for me to do this when I am level 300.9)
Any comments or interest?
you know you'll be basically allowing high-level players to bind their equips to a low enough level to make things appetible to sell for a plusvalue, right? it'll be hard to make it sound like it's not an attempt to circumvent the level-bind system... also, it may be hard for you to prove that gear comes from that trophy - thus, i can already see players battling over the ownership of a certain item This post has been edited by Scremaz: Oct 3 2017, 00:54
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Oct 3 2017, 03:48
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Draw99Gray
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tested with three REs waiting and lost them all looks like only works with one in queue
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Oct 3 2017, 04:07
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jantch
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 2 2017, 18:39)  After some thought I decided to try out a test run for the son of blackjac idea.
As soon as I hit level 300 I will stop playing for a while and anyone who trusts me can send their trophies, which I will redeem and send back for free.
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300 is probably too high of a level. For the past couple of years, I've been giving my monthly Gold Coupon to players at about level 200, which usually gets them something reasonable, but only gets them something really good about 20% of the time. At level 300, I suspect that most of it would become quickly discarded junk. I started giving away noodlies to players around level 150 a couple of months ago, but half of them would rather have the credits from selling the noodlies than try for something at the shrine.
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Oct 3 2017, 07:41
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BlueWaterSplash
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Level 300 is not ideal, I initially suggested level 200 some pages back. However there are perks to level 300, making it a decent choice for a trial. Level 200 is when players typically join the forum and want equipment; they can still soulfuse level 300 stuff. Meanwhile, level 300 players can use the equipment without soulfuse and it will last a good while before becoming underleveled, preserving the goal of equipment population.
Scremaz, indeed there is no pretense that this is not an attempt to partially circumvent the level-bind system. But what is wrong with that? Trading is allowed, it breaks no rules. This could allow high-level players to increase their profit, and low-level players to be able to get items they want. As for rigor, mooglemail and forum post timestamps should help establish ownership, but it's not foolproof. Trust in the host is still required from participants, though the rules make it more difficult for the host to be dishonest.
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In the long term, a better system is to enslave a heroic and pitiful level 200 guy, and if he never fights again for the rest of his life he has no incentive to be dishonest.
Alternatively, anyone (say level 200~300) with enough start-up funds could buy trophies, legitimately own all redemptions, and sell/auction them himself. That system removes the trust requirement entirely. Unfortunately I only have enough credits to buy 3 noodles so I can't do it that way. Is there anyone else with start-up funds who could?
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Oct 3 2017, 10:27
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 3 2017, 07:41)  Scremaz, indeed there is no pretense that this is not an attempt to partially circumvent the level-bind system. But what is wrong with that? Trading is allowed, it breaks no rules. This could allow high-level players to increase their profit, and low-level players to be able to get items they want. As for rigor, mooglemail and forum post timestamps should help establish ownership, but it's not foolproof. Trust in the host is still required from participants, though the rules make it more difficult for the host to be dishonest.
attempts to circumvent the system aren't usually well-seen, you know. though you remembered me that i didn't bring out to other mods a certain thing yet, so i guess i should thank you...
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Oct 3 2017, 14:40
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WeebLife
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When salvaging forged gear, do you get 90% of the bindings back? Or are they gone forever once used?
thx.
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Oct 3 2017, 14:54
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Uncle Stu
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Oct 3 2017, 15:00
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WeebLife
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 3 2017, 22:24)  yep. i read that and wasn't sure if bindings were included in the 90% of the "materials" you get back or not?
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Oct 3 2017, 15:32
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE Salvaging equipment with upgrades will always return 90% of the materials spent on upgrading rounded down (but never any catalysts). There is one exception enclosed in brackets and i cant see any reason, why there should be a second exception that isnt mentioned. So this sentence tells you everything you need to know.
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Oct 3 2017, 16:14
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Basara Nekki
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QUOTE(The Original Zeo @ Oct 3 2017, 10:00)  yep. i read that and wasn't sure if bindings were included in the 90% of the "materials" you get back or not?
Come back, yes. See this example: (IMG:[ imgur.com] https://imgur.com/P39FwlR.jpg) That was when I changed my Power Armor (09/06/2017). (IMG:[ imgur.com] https://imgur.com/dupfqFW.jpg)
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Oct 3 2017, 17:10
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(WName @ Oct 3 2017, 17:03)  Just got what appears to be a pretty nice shortsword, and I think it's a decent upgrade from my current weapon, but I'm not certain about the relative benefits of a rapier VS a shortsword. What do you guys think? New: Legendary Demonic Shortsword of SlaughterCurrent: Magnificent Rapier of SlaughterPrefixless mag rapier vs leg shortsword with good rolls. I would try to IW the shortsword and see, if you can get something better than your rapier I would switch, prefix + big difference in damage makes up for the lack of PA (also the rapier IW is bad).
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Oct 3 2017, 17:14
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KitsuneAbby
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Wonderful shortsword. The rapier is garbage compared to it. I already tried a (prefixed) mag rapier VS a 80% ADB shortsword at lvl330, and the rapier was utter trash compared to the shortsword.
Salvage the rapier, I'll delete it from my shop now that I know it's been soulfused.
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Oct 3 2017, 17:14
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WName
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 3 2017, 08:10)  Prefixless mag rapier vs leg shortsword with good rolls. I would try to IW the shortsword and see, if you can get something better than your rapier I would switch, prefix + big difference in damage makes up for the lack of PA (also the rapier IW is bad).
Cool, I'll see what IW affixes I get. Thanks.
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Oct 3 2017, 17:53
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Muddybug
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QUOTE(The Original Zeo @ Oct 3 2017, 09:00)  yep. i read that and wasn't sure if bindings were included in the 90% of the "materials" you get back or not?
I can speak from experience after converting two pieces from protection to slaughter. Yes, you get 90% of bindings back. Mu (.) (.) y This post has been edited by Muddybug: Oct 3 2017, 17:55
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Oct 3 2017, 20:17
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Draw99Gray
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Does using Infusions in battle really boosts your damage? I used Infusions of Divinity with my Holy Mage and i didn't saw a difference, Paradise Lost blasts around 100k, Smite hits between 40-50k It's supposedly a 25% uplift so there should be a noticeable difference
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Oct 3 2017, 20:24
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mundomuñeca
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QUOTE(jantch @ Oct 3 2017, 04:07)  300 is probably too high of a level. For the past couple of years, I've been giving my monthly Gold Coupon to players at about level 200, which usually gets them something reasonable, but only gets them something really good about 20% of the time. At level 300, I suspect that most of it would become quickly discarded junk. I started giving away noodlies to players around level 150 a couple of months ago, but half of them would rather have the credits from selling the noodlies than try for something at the shrine.
Yep, you gave me two noodlies the 9/11 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) TBH, initially i decided to sell'em (you know it, as i wrote you, btw), but then i started debating with myself what to do, and could't make my mind, so I was like, well, let's wait and see... And I still have them, you don't want them back, do you ? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) NO, You don't want them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) May be I'll try the shrine, later when nearer to lvl 200 ... or I'll sell them to buy some decent Mag, also later ... honestly, I don't know, I'm just sure I want to wait to use them without regret (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) thank you, Jantch - see ya (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Oct 3 2017, 21:10
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jantch
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Oct 3 2017, 14:17)  Does using Infusions in battle really boosts your damage? I used Infusions of Divinity with my Holy Mage and i didn't saw a difference, Paradise Lost blasts around 100k, Smite hits between 40-50k It's supposedly a 25% uplift so there should be a noticeable difference
You're already over +200 from your holy equipment. Adding that to your base (100%), you're going from over 300% to over 325% with an infusion of divinity, so its maybe a 7% or 8% increase.
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Oct 3 2017, 23:47
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BlueWaterSplash
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Now that I think about it another problem with my son of blackjac test model, is that sending back all the redeemed crap equipment can only be done 10 per mooglemail. The investment in time might still be acceptable on my end since I have to redeem trophies one by one anyway, but the recipient might not want to accept so many mooglemails, either because it wastes their time or clutters their inbox. Is there a way to delete read mooglemail?
What do you guys think? If I instead sell the crap and give the credits to the sender, that opens up yet another undesirable avenue for me to be dishonest.
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