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What is Spirit shield.?
Could someone explain it.
(not explained in wiki. wiki only explains Stronger Spirit and how it helps spirit shield)

What is Spirit shield.?
Could someone explain it.
(not explained in wiki. wiki only explains Stronger Spirit and how it helps spirit shield)

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells#Supportive

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells#Supportive

Thanks
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On a side note, I recently purchased my first Auto Cast slot... and it's AWESOME
Is it recommended I save up credits to get my 2nd and 3 auto cast slot asap?

Yeap, Innate Arcana rocks >:)
Buy second as soon as possible.
For third you may wait a little.

Second, third, forth and fifth Innate Arcanas not only open new auto-cast slots for you, but also reduce the amount of mp you have to use every turn to support auto-casted spells. With thus said, you cannot go wrong with Innate Arcana - either you will unlock new slots or you will reduce the current MP consumption. So it is safely to buy as many IA as you need if you have enough free money and have no better alternative for investment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'd rather say that Innate Arcana significantly reduces the stupid amount of time one can spend renewing the buffs.
When I unlocked my slots I became maybe twice faster.

IIA2 is sufficient to play 1H: Spark of life, Spirit Shield. Protection lasts long enough so that it's not too much of an issue. But in all cases IA5 is the best to have. ^^

I'd rather say that Innate Arcana significantly reduces the stupid amount of time one can spend renewing the buffs.
When I unlocked my slots I became maybe twice faster.

IIA2 is sufficient to play 1H: Spark of life, Spirit Shield. Protection lasts long enough so that it's not too much of an issue. But in all cases IA5 is the best to have. ^^

Yeah, I got tired of wasting turns/clicks rebuffing and using mana pots.
Even with 1 auto cast slot, I just use a mana draught. Makes my life EASY

Onto other newb questions:
1) What exactly are Crystal packs? Is it a pack of every crystal x1 (there's 12 different ones I think?)

2) What drops pre-cursor artifacts?

Coffee

coffeemug

crystals are consumed by your monsters to level up
your monsters are here: http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=ml

precursor artifacts can be shrined to randomly get 2 hath or enegy drink or +1 primary attribute bonus
you shrine them here: http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=ss

or you can sell both crystals and artifacts to other playrs

edit: osrry i didnt read your post probperly

arenas, iw, grinfests and random encounters can drop pre cursor artifacts

or you can buy them from other players

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 29 2017, 10:25

coffeemug

crystals are consumed by your monsters to level up
your monsters are here: http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=ml

What are crystal packs in the context of WTB/WTS?
I'm saving up for my 2nd auto cast slot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

precursor artifacts can be shrined to randomly get 2 hath or enegy drink or +1 primary attribute bonus
you shrine them here: http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=ss

or you can sell both crystals and artifacts to other playrs

Do you know what drops them? I couldn't find that info on the wiki


Coffee

edit: osrry i didnt read your post probperly

arenas, iw, grinfests and random encounters can drop pre cursor artifacts

or you can buy them from other players

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 29 2017, 10:25

Thanks again for all the responses. Seems like the answers fell into three main areas:

Strategy/playstyle:

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If I am understanding this correctly, you are doing Item World on legendary equipment. You're close to the same level as I am, and you're able to do it on PFUDOR and IWBTH difficulties. So this tells me it is possible, even easy as you say.

You're not using deprecating spells enough, and you certainly aren't geared/playing your style properly.
PFUDOR IW is hard even for high level players. Imagine the insane amount of damage the monsters deal beyond round 60 or even 80. More than 20k at once is very common.

I suspect that some kind of glaring strategy mistake is probably the cause, yes. I'm able to handle IWBTH Arenas, and can even clear then with good speed (less than half an hour each for EoD and ED). While the style works well for Arenas, something is very wrong with it for IW-Legendary. I am hoping to learn what that is, so I can do better.

You mention deprecating spells. In the wiki I see mention of using the silence spell for 1h-heavy build. There isn't much else to read up on. I'm not sure if that is relevant to what is killing me in IW though. There are usually 8-9 monsters in a round, none of them seem like prime targets to silence like SGs, it's just too much overall wear and tear on the HP/SP bars to sustain through.

So, if I am supposed to use deprecating spells to do better, which one(s)? What kind of advice would you give that I could put into practice and try out? Would I need to put some AP into making a deprecating spell better so that it lasts longer, becomes aoe, or something along those lines?

If it is a gear issue, well that is something we all struggle with, isn't it?

Rewards consideration

In my opinion, since Arenas and Random Encounters give you more EXP and credits, as well, trophies from Bosses and SchoolGirls, as well clear bonuses, as well tokens - both profit-wise and exp-wise it is better to make them instead of Grindfest or IW. =)

This is my understanding too. The tokens will help me increase my army of monsters. Trophies are good rewards. The credits and exp are clearly much better at IWBTH Arena than low difficulty IW. If they're better even same difficulty, then the difference is even worse at lower difficulty for sure.

So then it boils down to how important getting the weapon done is.

IW10 importance:

However, IWing your weapon to unlock second strike is good and clever idea and you should do it asap.
Have you soulfused it? Soulfusing doubles all received PXP.

reaching void strike (or iw10 random elemental strike) is one of the best upgrades you may earn, so it definitely may have a meaning trying to pursue that. you may want to try your luck with Tyger here: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p;#entry4960087

This is what I'm currently using. So I do have a weapon with void+elemental strike, and it has what feels like reasonably good damage for my efforts.

I know it isn't a rapier.

This is my best rapier. The damage is way less, and swift strikes has rendered it too fast. I don't earn enough OC in fights while using it to keep Spirit Stance going as easily.

This is the weapon I'm trying to IW. It isn't a rapier, but it does offer parry, unlike my axe. It has way better ADB% than my axe, so I figure it might be a better weapon to hang onto for awhile.

I had asked about my collection of weapons a few pages back, but got no answer. So I thought I'd try my luck with this one. I don't see myself jumping up into PFUDOR yet, so the difference between piercing and slashing procs doesn't seem as important. The parry seems important. The ADB on the shortsword seems pretty good. A legendary weapon seems better than a magnificent one. That's the logic I've been following so far, in absence of more clear guidance.

So, should I stick with my axe and just rake in the better exp/credits/rewards of arenas for now? Should I work on this legendary shortsword, then hold onto it for a nice long time instead? Or should I do something else?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 29 2017, 10:25

1) What exactly are Crystal packs? Is it a pack of every crystal x1 (there's 12 different ones I think?)

You are paying the person and he sends you 1,000 of every crystal types (12,000 total).

2) What drops pre-cursor artifacts?

Any given monster in any battle mode might drop the precursor artifact (even in RE).
The base chance to get single artifact is 0,2% and with Archeologist training you can increase it totally to 0,4%
That seems too low, but can say, based on my experience, that while during whole arena run, I usually get 5-10 artifacts. My archeologist is 9/10.
=)

Edit: in RE, BTW, you have 0,5% to get artifact with 0/10 archeologist an 1%(?) with maxed out Archelogist

This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 29 2017, 02:32

coffeemug

arenas, iw, grinfests and random encounters will drop you crystals

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 29 2017, 10:24

Thanks guys : )

This post has been edited by coffeemug: Sep 29 2017, 02:31

coffeemug
to buy crytals or precursor artifacts from other plasyers
jost post on the thread of other playerse who sell in wts
you cana also mooglemail tem and ask that you want to buy
heres your mooglemail http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=mm

or create thred in wtb saying you want to buy somehting

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 29 2017, 10:24

Hmm, reading the link, here is the spirit shield formula to study:

CODE

Spirit Damage = Base_SP * SS_AP_Damage * MIN( (Damage - Max_HP * SS_AP_Damage) / (Max_HP * SS_AP_Damage * 3) , 1)

(SS_AP_Damage = percentage of damage required for Spirit shield to kick in)

So higher ability upgrades of spirit shield do make the spirit drain more efficient, but only for gargantuan hits that reach a spirit damage cap. In that case, the formula reduces to:

CODE

Spirit Damage = Base_SP * SS_AP_Damage

I have about 800 SP, removing spirit tank lowers that to 500 SP, so my spirit damage cap is 500 * 20%, or 100 SP, which would roughly equate to eating a hit that does 10,000 HP or more. I have about 15,000 HP. Some monsters can reach this cap on rare occasion against me.

In the majority of cases, the formula instead reduces to:

CODE

Spirit Damage / Prevented HP Damage = Base_SP / Max_HP * 3

(Prevented HP Damage = Damage - Max_HP * SS_AP_Damage)

Therefore spirit damage efficiency is independent of the upgrade level of spirit shield. In my case the the SP/HP conversion ratio is 500 / 45,000 = 1.1% which matches what I experience.

Cryosite, item world is much harder than arenas, this is commonly known. The reason is stated on the item world wiki: Monster damage starts at 100% base and increases by 2% per round.

You also don't make money in item world, so doing it is difficult and involves sacrifice. In my opinion players of our level can still do it, but you should not be doing item world repeatedly every time you get a slightly better gear. If you finished item world on weaker gear, keep using them as long as possible. At this point it is a close call between that finished axe and the legendary shortsword with bad stats. If you are prepared to soulfuse that shortsword, I would item world it. Otherwise you can wait for a better weapon to come along.

You don't actually have to item world mediocre ethereal weapons. I would not have done IW on either your axe or rapier. I have similar ethereal weapons to those (somewhat better) that I used and tossed aside later on. The important thing at our level is void damage and void strike. Elemental strike is less helpful at this point because enemies have too much elemental resistance. Item world is best for non-ethereal weapons or extremely good ethereal weapons.

I don't use any debuffs to beat legendary IW on IWBTH but I do use a few on PFUDOR in the late rounds. As you said, debuffs are not as helpful on an army of monsters compared to a single boss. I don't think you are doing anything wrong with your strategy. Your experiences just reinforce my suspicion that power armor is overrated at low level. Just keep playing at the difficulties you can manage, you'll blow by my level soon enough and eventually will get good gear like all the high level players.

jplshejeser, could you do something about your sig? Like compacting images and/or reducing the amount of animated GIFs you're using, please?

BlueWaterSplash, in case you write quite a bit, could you please add a brief summary at the start/end of your post? Something like the tl;dr you see every now and then

Everyone else involved: in case you quote long posts, could you please replace the content with 'snip', leaving only a meaningful sentence or whatever else, together with the reference to the original post? Just not quote the original walltext

Thanks to all of you.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 29 2017, 10:17

So, should I stick with my axe and just rake in the better exp/credits/rewards of arenas for now? Should I work on this legendary shortsword, then hold onto it for a nice long time instead? Or should I do something else?.

Choosing between these three weapons - I would better stick with shortsword. Rapier is bad (no hard feelings), sword too (only 24% attacks), but at least it has parry (plus to your survival).
1H/Heavy, imho, should care only about four stats: ADB (more damage - is better, obviously), parry (more parry - more counterattacks and less damage received), block (more block - more counterattacks and less damage received), crits (both % and overall damage) - in long-term only there four are valuable.
1. ADB you get from your weapon and equipment with ~slaughter~ suffixes;
2. Parry you get from shortsword/rapier;
3. Block you get from shields and equipment with ~shielding~ prefix;
4. Crits you get from equipment with ~savage~ prefix;

The only reason why Rapier is prefer to Shortsword is because they have "Penetrated Armor" proc, which decreases enemy's defense. Shortsword has "Bleeding Wound" proc, which just deals an extra damage to your enemies that is just miserably on higher difficulties.
It is not like rapiers would deal more damage, but they will help you kill enemies faster. You can, however, play with shortsword pretty good, but it will just takes long time to kill enemies at higher difficulties.

So, yeah, finding the best rapier you can afford is your high priority, but until then - that shortsword would be enought - just do not jump higher your head with it =)

btw, there was a talk few days ago that maxed out AXE is better than maxed out rapier - however it was just a proof of concept, not the detailed research, so rapier might not be best weapon ever for 1H/heavy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

// Sometimes there are just too many questions per time-unit (and too much text), so your questions might stay unanswered - there is nothing bad with repeating them day later. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

jplshejeser, could you do something about your sig? Like compacting images and/or reducing the amount of animated GIFs you're using, please?

Double that. I am browsing the forum with signatures/avatars turned off and decided to check your signatures in profile.
Oh my - sooooo much images and place have been taken %)

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No, IW is not easy at all at your level. Even with a good Mag Force Shield, it's still very hard. Don't compare your performance in EoD and ED with what you get in IW, because:
1) You have less monsters to deal with at once
2) SGs are harmless HP bags, so they practically count only as half a monster damage-wise
3) IW monsters are super duper buffed.

You're basically playing 1H with the worst weapon type possible for 1H. Sell your axe, yes that kind of weapon is not suit to play 1H due to the total absence of parry, which is a vital stat to survive. Sell your Sup Rapier too, you shouldn't have any Superior stuff in your equipment anymore.
I confirm that a Legendary shortsword/wakizashi will always be better than a Mag rapier at your level. The shortsword you're trying to IW will last you for a while. Probably for 30-40 levels or so. I have something very similar: a shortsword of balance that I used until lvl320 or so. Even now I'm using another shortsword, though with way better stats.

Don't forget that some players run IW services for some price. That might be interesting for someone in your case. Once you got your shortswrd IWed, stick with it for heck a damn while. It'll probably last roughly for as long as mine.

It's simply not possible for someone of your level to go in IW IWBTH/PFUDOR without having at least a very good Mag Force Shield, a shitload of scrolls, draughts and potions and even elixirs. And even then I'm not even sure you can make it.
Considering you do can do it with a lot of struggle, you practically need to:
1) Cast Silence, Sleep and Weaken to as many monsters as possible in the beginning of every round. Silence will prevent the monsters from using their overkill MP/SP attacks (you know, those that wipe off your entire HP bar in a single attack if you didn't have spirit shield), Sleep will prevent them from attacking at all (that's not the best for 1H, but you can't cast Silence twice in a row) and Weaken will have a similar result than Silence.
2) Renew them whenever it's needed.
3) Spam the mana potions because you'll be using a shitload of mana.
4) Have all draughts buffs ON constantly.
5) Pick off one monster after another instead of balancing their HP bars liek you're used to. You simply want to keep their numbers in a manageable amount ASAP in every round.

But again, even when doing all of this, I'm not sure you can survive 80+ rounds of IW if you're already having big trouble after 40. Because that's what typically awaits you for every Legendary equipment. 100 rounds for a Peerless.

While I'm at it: casting Silence on SGs is very wrong. Just stab them to death after a good Imperil and call it a day. Their attacks are weak, comparatively to what PL1200+ monsters can do. They are the real threat in this game, not the SGs.

The last but not the least: you don't need a rapier at your level. Not even at mine (even though I did buy one). I did a test when I was Lvl330, and I calculated that a rapier multiplies the damage dealt only by 2 on average after dealing the 3 stacks of penetrated armor. So it's barely any better than what I obtain with a shortsword of the same ADB percentage. That is, I'm not counting the fact that the counterattacks hit harder when having a shortsword, due to the base damage being higher.

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This here is a good advice. I'll just sum it up for every <Lvl300 in the fewest words possible:
1) Don't bother IWing an ethereal weapon if you're not going to use it for a long while.
2) Don't IW a weapon that is only slightly better than your current one. Keep it as long as possible and replace it once you got something that represents a significant buff in the overall damage. IW is a long, tedious, exhausting experience, even more if you want to get the best potencies possible. You don't want to do that all the damn time.
3) Don't forget that while soulfusing may look interesting to make the IW faster, it will make your weapon untradeable. If you don't soulfuse it and it ends up obsolete for you at some point, your IW10 weapon can be sold for a nice price to a lower level player.
4) Don't bother IWing or soulfusing shields or armor at all. The advantages are meager, next to negligible. It's only for high level players.


EDIT:
The stuff about maxxed out Axe being better than a rapier is only about raw damage and clearing speed. It doesn't take into account the survivability, which is mediocre in the case of an axe. Consider the usage of Axes as some kind of "high damage high risk" material accessible only to top tier players.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Sep 29 2017, 12:50

help , inee d aafdvice please

i play 1 h

is it ideal to always enchanting featherwireddght shards on all my equipment?

is this economical?
beaacuse i always enchant featherweght


@Scremaz
sorr y Scremaz, i didnt know you were so sensitive

though

you, destroying my signature at those posts really crumbled my heart