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Sep 24 2017, 02:21
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 23 2017, 23:02)  But some of it maybe not. The low level weapons inflate in value to the point that the low level players, who have less money (especially free ones) can't afford them. Well, maybe that's the way it should be too, actually.
Something doesn't add up. If weapons inflate in value it means that every decent weapon that drops it's worth a lot and you can get a decent amount of money by selling equipments. At the end of the day if drops are worth more you spend and get more. At level 489 every drop without stellar stats is useless, I may get an average rolled set of legendaries for pennies but on the other hand I can sell only one drop every 2 weeks because all the rest is crap.
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Sep 24 2017, 02:48
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arialinnoc
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Is there a new version of equipment comparison script? Or no one fix it yet.
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Sep 24 2017, 02:55
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f4tal
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As far as I know, nobody fixed that script and highly unlikely ever will be. Same for MagicScore.
On other hand, who knows, maybe someone is fixing that script right now, but I dont remember anyone reported about it. Correct me if I am wrong.
If you want some sort of comparison mechanism, than you might check Superlatanium's Repcentile Ranges script. That script also included in HVtoolBox script. Links to both in Wiki's Compendium (check my signature).
This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 24 2017, 02:56
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Sep 24 2017, 03:03
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arialinnoc
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 24 2017, 07:55)  As far as I know, nobody fixed that script and highly unlikely ever will be. Same for MagicScore.
On other hand, who knows, maybe someone is fixing that script right now, but I dont remember anyone reported about it. Correct me if I am wrong.
If you want some sort of comparison mechanism, than you might check Superlatanium's Repcentile Ranges script. That script also included in HVtoolBox script. Links to both in Wiki's Compendium (check my signature).
Thank you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Sep 24 2017, 03:06
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BlueWaterSplash
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There are several explanations. Because you level up so fast at low level, even a low level legendary hunter may only get 3 ~ 10 legendaries before level 300. With average luck it would all be crap and worth nothing. In the rare case you got something great, the value overinflates well beyond what any level 200 player can afford (50k legendary rapier with bad stats becomes 3m for example). Since the level 200 players don't even have the money they would be willing to pay, the value of the great item is capped. Also, the low level legendary rapier or legendary force shield is most times soulfused, therefore unsellable. And even more sad, one day salvaged for materials. The value is lost. The low-level profit you imagine does exist but drop luck is needed, and in most cases it is only medium decent items (legendary axes, magnificent force shields) that could benefit. That's why I imagine the Son of Blackjac idea could work. A pitiable, righteous soul who is level 100 or 200 (maybe even 300) is forced into eternal slavery. He can no longer fight monsters or play the game. He can only talk on the forum and receive trophies and redeem them at low level. Because of low-level inflation he should be able to profit, but it cannot be for himself since he can't fight anymore. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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Sep 24 2017, 03:22
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Slobber
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value of items is dependent on who is willing to pay that price. the only reason low level legendary gear would be valued is if there is someone rich enough at low levels that is willing to pay this price.
this *is* possible because EH economy isn't entirely reliant strictly on the EH game itself and if a low level hath baron does come around then yes they may be willing to pay a hefty amount for the gear. but if you were to talk about the majority of the low levels, then no, their income will primarily consist of HV funds and hence everything would be in the 5 digit range with high tier items in the 6 digit range.
this then addresses the concern of liquidity. a legendary 100% ADB rapier of slaughter in the low level range is undoubtedly a rare item and borderline irreplaceable. to sell it in the realm of 7+ digits requires patience - waiting for that low level hath baron to come around.
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Sep 24 2017, 10:37
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Noni
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QUOTE(WName @ Sep 24 2017, 10:27)  Hey guys. I'm playing 1h+shield, and I was hoping I could get some general advice/feedback on what I'm doing (which is to say, please tell me all the shit I'm doing wrong and how I can fix it). Stats: 270 (+85) Strength 225 (+59) Dexterity 199 (+15) Agility (Apparently I shouldn't have been putting points in this as 1h?) 258 (+84) Endurance 10 Intelligence 207 Wisdom (Probably a bit more than I should have put in this?) Gear: Main Hand: Exquisite Axe of SlaughterOff Hand: Exquisite Mithril Kite Shield of ProtectionHelmet: Superior Power Helmet of ProtectionBody: Magnificent Jade Plate Cuirass of ProtectionHands: Superior Power Gauntlets of ProtectionLegs: Exquisite Plate Greaves of WardingFeet: Superior Plate Sabatons of ProtectionAnd in combat I've been using all three Draughts, Protection, Regen, Heartseeker, and Spark of Life, Thanks! Best thing you could do is upgrade the superor gears first, but soon after look for a good rapier. At your level, this might be hard to do. But still, an exquisite rapier of slaugther or any magnificent rapier will increase your survivability enornously. Then you don't need spark of life, probably. Did you slot and upgrade your abilities? Always good to check. Also, your next step after the rapier should be a better force shield. Go for the shield with the highest block value you can find. When you get a decent rapier, IW it to 10 for the extra void strike. Potenties don't matter if it's not a Great Rapier.
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Sep 24 2017, 10:52
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crute
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Sep 24 2017, 09:22)  value of items is dependent on who is willing to pay that price. the only reason low level legendary gear would be valued is if there is someone rich enough at low levels that is willing to pay this price.
this *is* possible because EH economy isn't entirely reliant strictly on the EH game itself and if a low level hath baron does come around then yes they may be willing to pay a hefty amount for the gear. but if you were to talk about the majority of the low levels, then no, their income will primarily consist of HV funds and hence everything would be in the 5 digit range with high tier items in the 6 digit range.
this then addresses the concern of liquidity. a legendary 100% ADB rapier of slaughter in the low level range is undoubtedly a rare item and borderline irreplaceable. to sell it in the realm of 7+ digits requires patience - waiting for that low level hath baron to come around.
Not sure if correct, since low level items can still be soul bound by high level players. A lot of the record breaking items have been dropped by randoms low levels. However, low level items tend to be more expensive due to limited supply. This of course does not compare compare to when the game was actually difficult. Exq was rare, Mag was very rare Leg were almost non-existent.
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Sep 24 2017, 11:05
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WName
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2017, 01:37)  Best thing you could do is upgrade the superor gears first, but soon after look for a good rapier. At your level, this might be hard to do. But still, an exquisite rapier of slaugther or any magnificent rapier will increase your survivability enornously. Then you don't need spark of life, probably.
Yeah, been keeping an eye out for better armor. I've seen the rapier advice before, but I'm not entirely sure why--what makes them the better option? QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2017, 01:37)  Did you slot and upgrade your abilities? Always good to check.
Yep, been keeping up with that. QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2017, 01:37)  Also, your next step after the rapier should be a better force shield. Go for the shield with the highest block value you can find.
Yeah, I've been keeping an eye out for a good one. I have an Exquisite Force Shield of Protection that I'll be able to use in another 19 levels. QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2017, 01:37)  When you get a decent rapier, IW it to 10 for the extra void strike. Potenties don't matter if it's not a Great Rapier.
Huh, I didn't realize that IW10 converted the damage type to Void until I checked the Wiki to see what you meant. Cool beans. Thanks!
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Sep 24 2017, 11:19
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 23 2017, 23:02)  Another way to make a lot of low level legendaries is to find some level 100 or 200 guy and imprison him, turning him into Son of Blackjac. We will all give him money so that he can buy the Follower of Snowflake, and then everyone sends him our trophies. This could probably be made into a self-sustaining and profitable economic system with some planning.
for some reason, i cannot see it as ending particularly well. only my impression, though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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Sep 24 2017, 11:51
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Noni
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QUOTE(WName @ Sep 24 2017, 11:05)  Yeah, been keeping an eye out for better armor. I've seen the rapier advice before, but I'm not entirely sure why--what makes them the better option? Yep, been keeping up with that.
A rapier is defense: attack from monster gets parry. You don't get hit. A rapier is offence beyond offence: 1. Pretty good attack. 2. Penetrates armour. Then the attack becomes extremely good 3. Parry builds up extra pips of over charge. Makes spirit stance possible continuously. Even more attack power. 4. Orbital friendship cannon can be fired often because of rapid build up of over charge pips 5. Parry hits multiple targets while you attack one 6. Good chance of critical hit Nothing beats a rapier in 1h, until you are such high level with such good gear that axe becomes slightly better because you don't need all that parry. But that's far above lv 400. This post has been edited by DJNoni: Sep 24 2017, 11:56
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Sep 24 2017, 12:00
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WName
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2017, 02:51)  A rapier is defense: attack from monster gets parry. You don't get hit. A rapier is offence beyond offence: 1. Pretty good attack. 2. Penetrates armour. Then the attack becomes extremely good 3. Parry builds up extra pips of over charge. Makes spirit stance possible continuously. Even more attack power. 4. Orbital friendship cannon can be fired often because of rapid build up of over charge pips 5. Parry hits multiple targets while you attack one 6. Good chance of critical hit
Nothing beats a rapier in 1h, until you are such high level with such good gear that axe becomes slightly better because you don't need all that parry. But that's far above lv 400.
Ah, got it! Thanks!
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Sep 24 2017, 12:59
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 24 2017, 01:42)  decondelite, I think you are taking things too harsh and seriously. =) Explain me how else I should react when my business gets insulted in public.
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Sep 24 2017, 13:06
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2017, 11:51)  Nothing beats a rapier in 1h, until you are such high level with such good gear that axe becomes slightly better because you don't need all that parry. But that's far above lv 400.
Should I get an axe for PFest spamming? Also, why do I see mages use a lot of scrolls? This post has been edited by as013: Sep 24 2017, 13:10
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Sep 24 2017, 13:28
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BlueWaterSplash
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Wow this is the first time I heard that axe can be better than rapier for high level players. I knew axes are not bad especially in DW, but didn't know they could get that good in 1H.
kukrak, oh yeah I guess the Peerless you get from Follower of Snowflake are soulfused. Thanks for pointing it out. I guess the imprisoned level 100 idea still works but there's no need to send 50,000 hath for him to get Follower of Snowflake then. Especially since he can't fight. Guess it would still be an optional incentive for someone to volunteer for this tragic position.
Come to think of it, it might not be so bad to be that guy. Potentially I could see that person becoming the richest person in the game, depending how the economics work out. He will be a level 100 guy with all the best gear (eventually, after a very long time of trading back and forth). And he can raise an army of PL 2250 monsters. I guess after a decade he could decide he is tired of it and venture out and fight.
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Sep 24 2017, 13:29
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 24 2017, 13:06)  Also, why do I see mages use a lot of scrolls?
No Mana cost and iirc they last longer. QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 24 2017, 13:28)  Wow this is the first time I heard that axe can be better than rapier for high level players. I knew axes are not bad especially in DW, but didn't know they could get that good in 1H.
Well, this is a quite new development, and it is just better in normal arenas, in the SG Arenas is still rapier faster and at least i wouldnt trade damage for parry in any grindfest. This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Sep 24 2017, 13:32
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Sep 24 2017, 13:41
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Kira.Yoshikage
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 24 2017, 07:06)  why do I see mages use a lot of scrolls?
The main reason is scrolls have better effect than spells.
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Sep 24 2017, 15:02
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Noni
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 24 2017, 13:06)  Should I get an axe for PFest spamming? Also, why do I see mages use a lot of scrolls?
No. don't get an axe for PFest spamming. Use the rapier for Pfest spamming. And work on your cold gear. With all charged + heavily forged you can do PFfest spamming with cold mage. Then if you are really really strong in 1h melee, you can try a peerless axe of slaugther. That will be a little bit faster. In short: A rapier until you reach near-perfect stats. Then in Pffest maging: after 300 rounds things get tough. Even for my Very Nice Cool Set. So I use scrolls + infusion of frost after round 333. Because then I don't get spark of life every round.
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