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Sep 23 2017, 14:31
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CPUAMD
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 23 2017, 21:26)  if your issue isn't survivability anymore, then yes. but still only one step closer to slaughter goal.
Thanks. I understand why balance is more expensive than protection (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Sep 23 2017, 14:35
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Sapo84
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 14-June 09

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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 23 2017, 09:26)  [...] I just want to raise the issue of less availability at low level. so that it can be discussed and resolved. Is there a solution of this?or why is it So?
QUOTE(Fire_Mage @ Sep 23 2017, 13:29)  [...] What do the older and wiser players think?
This is by design. Tenboro wanted a natural progressions of level and equipments so you are not supposed to have a full set of legendaries with super-roll at level 300. The idea is to struggle with mag, soulfuse, upgrade, get better equips, salvage the old, soulfuse, upgrade. You can obviously prefer to play in a different way, but that it's not how the game is supposed to work, so even if you don't like it there no solution at all since it's intentional.
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Sep 23 2017, 16:22
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,572
Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 23 2017, 09:26)  So Please ,i am requesting grand-masters to think of a solution for less availability of low level equipment.
There is no solution to bring because there is no problem to begin with. You chose to blast through levels at light speed, now bear with the consequence. What the hell do you think I was using around Lvl300? Mostly Mag stuff with a forge levels, even with a few Exquisites left in the sets. Even now I'm still not fully Legendary geared on my 1H set, and let's not talk about the other styles that are made out of Exquisites and Mags for the most of the equips.
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Sep 23 2017, 16:51
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anon5332
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How do I know if a piece of equipment is worth keeping to sell to other players?
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Sep 23 2017, 16:55
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friggo
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 2,134
Joined: 9-October 14

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QUOTE(anon5332 @ Sep 23 2017, 17:51)  How do I know if a piece of equipment is worth keeping to sell to other players?
For specific pieces, there's the Price Check thread: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=192305For a general idea, take a look at recent auctions and see what type of items sell and for how much. That should give you a good overview.
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Sep 23 2017, 18:09
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,306
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 23 2017, 16:22)  What the hell do you think I was using around Lvl300? Mostly Mag stuff with a forge levels, even with a few Exquisites left in the sets. Even now I'm still not fully Legendary geared on my 1H set, and let's not talk about the other styles that are made out of Exquisites and Mags for the most of the equips.
back to our times it wasn't so different. even if gears were unassigned, there was so little choice and way less players (so, less giveaways/charity) that we treasured even Exq Power when needed.
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Sep 23 2017, 18:40
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 4-February 12

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 23 2017, 18:09)  back to our times it wasn't so different. even if gears were unassigned, there was so little choice and way less players (so, less giveaways/charity) that we treasured even Exq Power when needed.
Oh, the good old times. When i got an Exq Rapier from Wolfgirl, i fellt like the king of the hill. I used it until i got my first Mag Rapier Slaughter selfdrop. I was so proud and happy about it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Sep 23 2017, 18:43
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Muddybug
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 463
Joined: 28-March 17

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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 23 2017, 03:26) 
So Please ,i am requesting grand-masters to think of a solution for less availability of low level equipment.
You can do what I did starting about level 295. 1. WTB for Magnificent gear I could afford. DFNoni and Slobber and one other two others sold to me. That got me out of Superior and into Magnificent gear for the most part. 2. Watch other players WTS. Overall got me a couple Mag pieces but in general pricier than auction. 3. Look for Legendaries close to your level. ADB doesn't matter much from 300 to 350, 30-70% is ok. 4. Look for mid 300 mid 400 legendaries (protection desired at this point, warding ok) whose ADB is 90% or more. Budget 50k-200k each for these pieces. 4a. One low cost auction strategy is to find high ADB pieces with a wart or two, and just bid 'start' money for them. Do not reply to anyone bidding over you. It's slow but it works. 5. Grow into pieces. That gives you more room to purchase gear. 6. I started moving into slaughter pieces in the 390s, when I had the money to compete in auctions for those pieces. But be prepared to pay 5m-15m a piece. By that point I had a complete set of protection/warding gear. 7. A more affordable alternative is peerless gear, Basara Nekki has a set that averages 3m a piece. Μμ (.) (.) y This post has been edited by Muddybug: Sep 23 2017, 18:47
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Sep 23 2017, 18:50
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f4tal
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Remind me, please, there is no way to decrease my PABs in any other way, but... a ) decreasing it every day by 10 b ) creating new persona (it would have 0 points then), am I right?
What I want to do is to rearrange points of some PABs (decrease xxx at 15, increase YYY at 20 - so one)
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Sep 23 2017, 18:54
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Muddybug
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 463
Joined: 28-March 17

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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 23 2017, 10:22)  Even now I'm still not fully Legendary geared on my 1H set
Had a Mag Helmet into the 360s, and replaced my Mag Rapier of Slaughter around level 375. Μμ (.) (.) y
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Sep 23 2017, 19:09
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Scremaz
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(f4tal @ Sep 23 2017, 18:50)  Remind me, please, there is no way to decrease my PABs in any other way, but... a ) decreasing it every day by 10 b ) creating new persona (it would have 0 points then), am I right?
What I want to do is to rearrange points of some PABs (decrease xxx at 15, increase YYY at 20 - so one)
not that i know.
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Sep 23 2017, 21:11
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,572
Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 23 2017, 18:40)  Oh, the good old times. When i got an Exq Rapier from Wolfgirl, i fellt like the king of the hill. I used it until i got my first Mag Rapier Slaughter selfdrop. I was so proud and happy about it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) I remember being given two Superior Ethereal Shortsword of Slaughter by someone back then (don't remember who), and I was so proud and happy.
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Sep 23 2017, 21:23
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Hakrei
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 16-December 09

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A few questions for the experts
1) At what PL do monsters start bringing high level grade materials? I have several monsters PL 500 and higher and have not received a single high grade wood/metal or cloth... 2) Is it more efficient to create as many monsters a possible or just keep a moderate number of monsters with a high PL?
3) I heard having a decent elementalist piece such as glove/boots instead going all phase armor of an elemental is better. Does that also apply to forbidden/holy such as heaven-sent/demon-fiend boots/gloves?
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Sep 23 2017, 21:31
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 9,899
Joined: 4-February 12

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QUOTE(Hakrei @ Sep 23 2017, 21:23)  1) At what PL do monsters start bringing high level grade materials? I have several monsters PL 500 and higher and have not received a single high grade wood/metal or cloth...
It starts at around PL 500. But it beginns at a very low chance. So if you really want your monsters to bring you HG stuff you should target PL 700 and above. QUOTE(Hakrei @ Sep 23 2017, 21:23)  2) Is it more efficient to create as many monsters a possible or just keep a moderate number of monsters with a high PL?
It is all about numbers. A PL 25 monster has the same chance to bring you a phazon like a PL 2000 one. Also the higher the PL the longer they need to finaly pay off the invested crystals.
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Sep 23 2017, 21:35
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friggo
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 2,134
Joined: 9-October 14

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QUOTE(Hakrei @ Sep 23 2017, 22:23)  1) At what PL do monsters start bringing high level grade materials? I have several monsters PL 500 and higher and have not received a single high grade wood/metal or cloth... Wiki says high-grade starts at PL500. Just give it time, I guess. It will probably take weeks until high-grade stuff starts popping up. QUOTE(Hakrei @ Sep 23 2017, 22:23)  2) Is it more efficient to create as many monsters a possible or just keep a moderate number of monsters with a high PL?
It's been said time and time again that it's better to have lots of monsters than a few high-level ones. Although I don't see why you couldn't have both. I mean, you need chaos tokens to unlock new slots and crystals to upgrade power level. They're not mutually exclusive (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And Uncle is right: the more you invest in monsters, the longer it takes for them to break even. Monster lab isn't meant for making a profit, it's a credit sink. QUOTE(Hakrei @ Sep 23 2017, 22:23)  3) I heard having a decent elementalist piece such as glove/boots instead going all phase armor of an elemental is better. Does that also apply to forbidden/holy such as heaven-sent/demon-fiend boots/gloves? I think current meta still says holy/dark needs 2 cotton 3 phase, unless you want to go imperil. Others are free to correct me on this.
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Sep 23 2017, 23:02
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BlueWaterSplash
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Exquisite Power Armor is still a premium at my level today, or at least I feel so. But anyway this conversation is odd because you have several "low-level" complainers who have all legendary weapons and armors, and ALL_MIGHT even has all endgame weapons and shields and armors (or close to it).
As Sapo said though, much of this is the way it should be.
But some of it maybe not. The low level weapons inflate in value to the point that the low level players, who have less money (especially free ones) can't afford them. Well, maybe that's the way it should be too, actually.
There are solutions to the low level problem. One is to powerlevel through the so-called bad levels supposedly in the level 250 range. I never felt this way personally, I became strongest at level 250 due to the 1H block upgrade. Since I use no real shield and block with my hands and body. :3
But powerleveling only creates a greater dearth of level 200 legendaries. Anyway, as I said earlier, I think after patch 0.85 we should start to see way more level low level legendaries, we just need to make other low level players aware of how to play at pfudor starting at level 150 or lower.
Another way to make a lot of low level legendaries is to find some level 100 or 200 guy and imprison him, turning him into Son of Blackjac. We will all give him money so that he can buy the Follower of Snowflake, and then everyone sends him our trophies. This could probably be made into a self-sustaining and profitable economic system with some planning.
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Sep 24 2017, 00:15
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,572
Joined: 12-July 14

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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 23 2017, 23:02)  Exquisite Power Armor is still a premium at my level today, or at least I feel so. But anyway this conversation is odd because you have several "low-level" complainers who have all legendary weapons and armors, and ALL_MIGHT even has all endgame weapons and shields and armors (or close to it).
As Sapo said though, much of this is the way it should be.
But some of it maybe not. The low level weapons inflate in value to the point that the low level players, who have less money (especially free ones) can't afford them. Well, maybe that's the way it should be too, actually.
There are solutions to the low level problem. One is to powerlevel through the so-called bad levels supposedly in the level 250 range. I never felt this way personally, I became strongest at level 250 due to the 1H block upgrade. Since I use no real shield and block with my hands and body. :3
But powerleveling only creates a greater dearth of level 200 legendaries. Anyway, as I said earlier, I think after patch 0.85 we should start to see way more level low level legendaries, we just need to make other low level players aware of how to play at pfudor starting at level 150 or lower.
Another way to make a lot of low level legendaries is to find some level 100 or 200 guy and imprison him, turning him into Son of Blackjac. We will all give him money so that he can buy the Follower of Snowflake, and then everyone sends him our trophies. This could probably be made into a self-sustaining and profitable economic system with some planning.
What inflation are you talking about? There's a lot of stuff for free in FreeShop, most of what I display is between 4k and 20k, same goes for the other mid-range shops. If anything, it's way easier for low/mid-level players to find stuff than when the v0.82 came out, even though Level Unassigned stuff tends to be disappearing. As for powerleveling, no one forces the players to powerlevel. If one decides to powerlevel, then he has to bear the consequences instead of moaning that he can't find equipment better than he currently has so he can powerlevel even harder... and moan again for even better equipment.
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Sep 24 2017, 00:36
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BlueWaterSplash
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There are both good and bad aspects to powerleveling. I am taking the opposite approach myself. I'm holding down my level to try to create low level legendaries, although lately my luck dried up again. No legendaries for 10 levels despite doing random encounters almost exclusively.
Also since I didn't soulfuse any of my equipment, the higher level I get the weaker I get (sort of, this was definitely true earlier but at this point the monsters have maxed out, although their HP still scales up rapidly).
As for the inflation, it is huge and there. You are talking about mediocre equipment on FreeShop or your store so that is why the prices are still reasonable. Not legendary ethereal rapiers with dark strike and 85% adb.
I'm not necessarily complaining about the low level situation myself, I agree with what you and Sapo said. But I think it could be better than it is, if more effort is put into it. Now where can we find a level 100~200 person to turn into a trophy slave? :3
We should name him Son of Blackjac or the (No)Soul(fuse) King.
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Sep 24 2017, 01:29
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Joined: 12-July 14

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... Someone explain him why a 85% ADB Leg Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter or a PHOH are worth millions please, because I have murder tendencies right now.
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Sep 24 2017, 01:42
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f4tal
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decondelite, I think you are taking things too harsh and seriously. =)
As for "son of blackjac" - ohmy xD That would be very funny, yet cruel thing. I had same idea time ago, when thinking about how can one increase the amount of good equip in freeshop. By the way, how exactly the stock of freeshop is populating, could you tell me? Of course, donation, I know. What else?
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