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post Sep 16 2017, 12:30
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 16 2017, 08:23) *

Balance gives way more accuracy and may be underrated. It's not because your Exquisite Rapier was low quality, it's because it was Slaughter.

I did some rough math today. Balance gives about double, or +20% accuracy, which translates to 5% more damage on typical enemies

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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 16 2017, 08:23) *
Balance also gives double, or +5% critical chance, which translates to roughly 2.5% more damage on a weak player.

Balance has 5% more critical chance (so let's say 8% fully forged and scaled at high level), so it gives exactly (100- current crit chance) * 8, which in my case is more like 4%.
Given that strikes and counter-attacks don't crit (see research for 1H where 10% crit damage means less than 2.5% damage) the benefit is roughly 2/3 of the one from fat5, so less than 2%.

Compared to the 5.2% benefit from the slaughter suffix it's pretty much nothing.
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post Sep 16 2017, 12:34
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This shield or my shield, which is better? Mine is about 36.2 base block, protection, 6.2 STR, 5.3 DEX and END
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post Sep 16 2017, 13:09
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 16 2017, 12:34) *

This shield or my shield, which is better? Mine is about 36.2 base block, protection, 6.2 STR, 5.3 DEX and END

The one with the higher block, even with worse rolls and suffix.
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post Sep 16 2017, 13:40
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 16 2017, 13:09) *

The one with the higher block, even with worse rolls and suffix.

What if it's SEA but has 48.2 block?
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post Sep 16 2017, 13:59
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 16 2017, 13:40) *

What if it's SEA but has 48.2 block?

I guess you meant 38.2 block, right?
I would get the 37.8 SDE one.
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post Sep 16 2017, 14:00
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QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 16 2017, 13:40) *

What if it's SEA but has 48.2 block?

When the block is noticeably, you should go always for the higher block. But when the block is nearly the same, you should avoid SEA and such. For my new shield i did sacrifice 0.1 Blockchance to switch from an SDA to an SDE. And 0.1 Blockchance was worth the nearly 80 base End i did get out of it.
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post Sep 16 2017, 14:01
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 16 2017, 13:59) *

I guess you meant 38.2 block, right?
I would get the 37.8 SDE one.

Ok thanks. So gotta bid for this week shield. Time to say good bye to my shield that has been keeping me company since I was 320. It's 38.4 actually

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post Sep 16 2017, 18:03
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i have 0,5-1,5 T/s, it takes me an hour and a half to clear Pfudor DwD (~6500t) with my Heavy set, which is why i'm going Holy Mage.
I have this staff, and i bought this one from Kedama's auction.
I thought the new one was good, but the lack of bids has left me in doubt.
Is it good? What should i do to survive Pfudor DwD as holy? (i can do PF REs but 8-10 monsters usually trigger SoL twice)
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post Sep 16 2017, 18:07
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 16 2017, 18:03) *

i have 0,5-1,5 T/s, it takes me an hour and a half to clear Pfudor DwD (~6500t) with my Heavy set, which is why i'm going Holy Mage.
I have this staff, and i bought this one from Kedama's auction.
I thought the new one was good, but the lack of bids has left me in doubt.
Is it good? What should i do to survive Pfudor DwD as holy? (i can do PF REs but 8-10 monsters usually trigger SoL twice)


I don't know but my current cold mage set with very meh equipments and not a single forge can give me 5k7 turns PFU DwD and I'm still in the prof farming period. Triggering SoL is normal. Just spam spells and heal when you need to heal.

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post Sep 16 2017, 18:11
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 16 2017, 18:03) *

Is it good?

If I had to choose I would say no, but for your level is ok, better than a mag at least.

QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 16 2017, 18:03) *
What should i do to survive Pfudor DwD as holy? (i can do PF REs but 8-10 monsters usually trigger SoL twice)

Level up, forge, get better equipments.
PFUDOR Holy maging at your level is not a good fit, without imperil maging is still too risky (against SGs is a tad more forgiving since you usually start the round with full HP, but still pretty challenging).
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post Sep 16 2017, 18:33
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 16 2017, 13:11) *

PFUDOR Holy maging at your level is not a good fit, without imperil maging is still too risky (against SGs is a tad more forgiving since you usually start the round with full HP, but still pretty challenging).

I use Imperil, i'm 348 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 16 2017, 19:20
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 17 2017, 00:33) *

I use Imperil, i'm 348 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Use 5 phase for SGs,use Magnet and Imp only on schoolgirls in rounds with schoolgirl.Holy mage need way less turns to clear SG than element mages,and arena(espacially SG)won't need much defence as fest.
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post Sep 16 2017, 20:24
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I'll just ask once more. Should I scrap my [alt.hentaiverse.org] current shield to get materials to forge [alt.hentaiverse.org] this one?
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post Sep 16 2017, 20:26
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So I got 2 items in auction:
Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Demon-fiend
Legendary Frugal Cotton Cap of the Demon-fiend

Shoes have base prof of 6.25
Cap has base prof of 8.21
Total of 14.46

Both equips will be lv. 500 when I start using them, one soulfused, other as-is.

How can I calculate the prof factor I will have with these 2 items, when fully forged, at level 500?


QUOTE(as013 @ Sep 16 2017, 20:24) *

I'll just ask once more. Should I scrap my [alt.hentaiverse.org] current shield to get materials to forge [alt.hentaiverse.org] this one?


My vote is for: salvage the old. Be gone, you Shield of Feeble Blockage!

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post Sep 16 2017, 20:47
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 16 2017, 20:26) *

So I got 2 items in auction:
Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Demon-fiend
Legendary Frugal Cotton Cap of the Demon-fiend

Shoes have base prof of 6.25
Cap has base prof of 8.21
Total of 14.46

Both equips will be lv. 500 when I start using them, one soulfused, other as-is.

How can I calculate the prof factor I will have with these 2 items, when fully forged, at level 500?

to perk or not to perk? and the staff? this one, right? https://hentaiverse.org/equip/139261724/b5f85a8ede
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post Sep 16 2017, 20:51
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 16 2017, 20:47) *

to perk or not to perk? and the staff? this one, right? https://hentaiverse.org/equip/139261724/b5f85a8ede


No, the staff will be upgraded at level 500. I'll do the staff calculation based on my Cunning Plan. And perk is in the pocket already.
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post Sep 16 2017, 21:12
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ok, so let's assume you have dark prof maxed (or close to, with recent patch). let's say 480? math is very rough, so expect, uh... 5% error? maybe a bit more.

staff, 129 for now. roughly 150 at full forge.

vanilla shoes at your level should be ~90. full forging would bring them to 120 or so.

vanilla cap, 123. full forged, roughly 160.


let's sum all of these: 480 + 129 + 120 + 160 = 889

with perk: 889 * 1.1 = 978


which means 1.04 prof factor.



there's the chance i considered lv500 here and your level there, but difference between the two isn't too big, so error is little. and you'll still be around 1 prof even without fully forging your staff.

at that point, i'd start thinking about forging staff more than cottons, and sparing a bit of cloths.

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post Sep 16 2017, 21:14
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Need guidance from Grandmasters.

I want to try DW.

So for that i found
Legendary Hallowed Wakizashi of Slaughter (369, ADB 87%, Parry 83%) @ 250k credits in Piyin's Shop.
should i buy it ?is it end game level? (Sorry, for silly queries but I don't know much about DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )


Between Slaughter vs Nimble vs Balance .
Which is better for end game equipment.

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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 16 2017, 21:14) *

So for that i found
Legendary Hallowed Wakizashi of Slaughter (369, ADB 87%, Parry 83%) @ 250k credits in Piyin's Shop.
should i buy it ?is it end game level? (Sorry, for silly queries but I don't know much about DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )

a decent piece on its own, but slaughter suffix on a waki isn't exactly the best.

QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 16 2017, 21:14) *

Between Slaughter vs Nimble vs Balance .
Which is better for end game equipment.

nimble for bonus parry. when your evade will be enough (or with niten, which doesn't have offhand parry boost) you may consider also balance for more crit.
high-level niteners could think about slaughter waki, but sort of a niche sector.


for a mid-level, DW-wannabe like you i'd suggest a whatever-prefixed nimble with decent parry/DEX/AGI rolls.
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post Sep 16 2017, 21:43
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 16 2017, 21:12) *

ok, so let's assume you have dark prof maxed (or close to, with recent patch). let's say 480? math is very rough, so expect, uh... 5% error? maybe a bit more.

staff, 129 for now. roughly 150 at full forge.

vanilla shoes at your level should be ~90. full forging would bring them to 120 or so.

vanilla cap, 123. full forged, roughly 160.
let's sum all of these: 480 + 129 + 120 + 160 = 889

with perk: 889 * 1.1 = 978
which means 1.04 prof factor.
there's the chance i considered lv500 here and your level there, but difference between the two isn't too big, so error is little. and you'll still be around 1 prof even without fully forging your staff.

at that point, i'd start thinking about forging staff more than cottons, and sparing a bit of cloths.


staff will be more like 110, fully forged - I am planning to go willow.
That's 41 lower than your example. That means about 848 prof. With perk it's 933. That means 0.86 prof factor. And I need only 0.8 for imperil style. Okay, these 2 items will do for now. Thanks for the help!
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