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Sep 6 2017, 01:51
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 6 2017, 01:35)  I would allready reforge. But i am weird and would never accept an Overpower for 1H.
i thought about the demonic one. but also the ethereal started well. if overpower remains at 1, then it'll still be a good iw
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Sep 6 2017, 02:05
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 6 2017, 01:51)  i thought about the demonic one. but also the ethereal started well. if overpower remains at 1, then it'll still be a good iw
Well, change the Overpower into Swift Strike and my statement stays. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Sep 6 2017, 02:25
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 5 2017, 10:29)  Until the price is ridiculous for you, in regard to your income. For RoadShoe, that means 'never', for me, it's about 1m for the next level. For lower levels, probably level 5 or so. That's what I typed in the wiki advice. 5 or so.
Actually, I stopped at 16. I mean I was meaning to go higher, but... The prof was moving up so quickly (I'm 22 "above" my level now), and the cost for Assimilator 17 is 3m. That's 80 crystal packs. Gasp!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I don't know what happened, but everything is crystal packs to me now. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Sep 6 2017, 03:11
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Sep 5 2017, 22:24)  but as013 bought his for 250k O.o
Mine is not as good though. But for 250k, I think it's quite a good deal. This post has been edited by as013: Sep 6 2017, 03:11
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Sep 6 2017, 08:42
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BlueWaterSplash
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According to the Research for 1H thread, Butcher 5 for a particular player gave an effective 2.3% damage boost and Fatality 5 gave an effective 2.2% damage boost (3.8% for special skills and 0% for counter). Overpower 5 only gave an effective 1.3% damage boost due to counter stuns and overwhelming strikes but that's still not bad. Extrapolating the stuns away, Overpower should give at least 3.5% damage boost on other styles. Has anyone else done a similar comparison? Swift Strike is actually serving me well on this rapier. On DW I would consider Swift Strike 5 to give the full 10% speed boost. It doesn't get diluted like the other potencies. Butcher is diluted by your other sources of damage, Fatality is diluted depending upon your other crit stats, and Overpower is diluted depending upon enemy parry. The main problem with Swift Strike is that it's an imaginary boost to offense; it doesn't improve real world clear time. But for low level players who still need survivability, Swift Strike is good. I still need Haste, Absorb, and Shadow Veil to survive even with 1H (and I don't really need Spirit Shield yet). Normal heavy armor burdens Swift Strike down to 0% but with all legendary plate now I have some speed boost. If I could get a couple mithril the speed will be diluted comparably with the other potencies. For hard levels I can use featherweight shards which recovers the full speed boost (and temporarily makes my poor rapier into an ethereal).
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Sep 6 2017, 09:08
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ALL_MIGHT
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 6 2017, 12:12)  According to the Research for 1H thread, Butcher 5 for a particular player gave an effective 2.3% damage boost and Fatality 5 gave an effective 2.2% damage boost (3.8% for special skills and 0% for counter). Overpower 5 only gave an effective 1.3% damage boost due to counter stuns and overwhelming strikes but that's still not bad. Extrapolating the stuns away, Overpower should give at least 3.5% damage boost on other styles. Has anyone else done a similar comparison? Swift Strike is actually serving me well on this rapier. On DW I would consider Swift Strike 5 to give the full 10% speed boost. It doesn't get diluted like the other potencies. Butcher is diluted by your other sources of damage, Fatality is diluted depending upon your other crit stats, and Overpower is diluted depending upon enemy parry. The main problem with Swift Strike is that it's an imaginary boost to offense; it doesn't improve real world clear time. But for low level players who still need survivability, Swift Strike is good. I still need Haste, Absorb, and Shadow Veil to survive even with 1H (and I don't really need Spirit Shield yet). Normal heavy armor burdens Swift Strike down to 0% but with all legendary plate now I have some speed boost. If I could get a couple mithril the speed will be diluted comparably with the other potencies. For hard levels I can use featherweight shards which recovers the full speed boost (and temporarily makes my poor rapier into an ethereal). Thanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Sep 6 2017, 09:44
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 6 2017, 01:18)  ALL_MIGHT is item worlding his godlike Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter! It's turning out great, let's cheer him on. I did this recently also but my Legendary Demonic Rapier of Slaughter has laughable stats compared to his. No, his rapier is rather taking a direction that needs a damn amoiunt of overluck to be back to what a rapier's potencies should be. Yours has way better potencies, though the swift strike did a small stain on an almost-perfect potencies. You're forgetting one essential thing in the calculations: critical damage cannot be risen by any other mean. If you want to raise your base damage, it can always be done by bindings of slaughter. It's known that for 1H purposes the best potencies is F5B4. I don't know for DW though, but I'm pretty confident that butcher is in the bottom. Without making actual maths, I'd think Overpower comes first, Fatality comes second and Swift Strike comes third.
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Sep 6 2017, 11:02
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 6 2017, 08:42)  According to the Research for 1H thread, Butcher 5 for a particular player gave an effective 2.3% damage boost and Fatality 5 gave an effective 2.2% damage boost (3.8% for special skills and 0% for counter). Overpower 5 only gave an effective 1.3% damage boost due to counter stuns and overwhelming strikes but that's still not bad. Extrapolating the stuns away, Overpower should give at least 3.5% damage boost on other styles. Has anyone else done a similar comparison? Swift Strike is actually serving me well on this rapier. On DW I would consider Swift Strike 5 to give the full 10% speed boost. It doesn't get diluted like the other potencies. Butcher is diluted by your other sources of damage, Fatality is diluted depending upon your other crit stats, and Overpower is diluted depending upon enemy parry. The main problem with Swift Strike is that it's an imaginary boost to offense; it doesn't improve real world clear time. But for low level players who still need survivability, Swift Strike is good. I still need Haste, Absorb, and Shadow Veil to survive even with 1H (and I don't really need Spirit Shield yet). Normal heavy armor burdens Swift Strike down to 0% but with all legendary plate now I have some speed boost. If I could get a couple mithril the speed will be diluted comparably with the other potencies. For hard levels I can use featherweight shards which recovers the full speed boost (and temporarily makes my poor rapier into an ethereal). start looking for power armors. QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 6 2017, 09:44)  No, his rapier is rather taking a direction that needs a damn amoiunt of overluck to be back to what a rapier's potencies should be. Yours has way better potencies, though the swift strike did a small stain on an almost-perfect potencies.
You're forgetting one essential thing in the calculations: critical damage cannot be risen by any other mean. If you want to raise your base damage, it can always be done by bindings of slaughter.
It's known that for 1H purposes the best potencies is F5B4. I don't know for DW though, but I'm pretty confident that butcher is in the bottom. Without making actual maths, I'd think Overpower comes first, Fatality comes second and Swift Strike comes third.
no, swift is currently at the bottom. only case in which you may want it, is when using 2H + FRD. as for his IW, i don't consider one or two levels of OP to be such a dramatic situation. but his wallet, if he wants to reforge it, his call. in case he wants to recycle it for DW, i suggest to keep though
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Sep 6 2017, 12:05
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BlueWaterSplash
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Since his ethereal rapier has high stats and his level isn't too low, reforge is a decent option but at this point he should finish it and see what elemental strike he gets. He's actually in a better spot than I was at that point (Fat 5 and Swift 1). If he gets the dreaded Fire Strike he can always reforge then, right? Or salvage?
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Sep 6 2017, 12:08
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 6 2017, 12:05)  Since his ethereal rapier has high stats and his level isn't too low, reforge is a decent option but at this point he should finish it and see what elemental strike he gets. He's actually in a better spot than I was at that point (Fat 5 and Swift 1). If he gets the dreaded Fire Strike he can always reforge then, right? Or salvage?
the influence of an elemental strike for a melee is quite relative, since it won't be a big part of his damage. in case he'll earn holy/dark strike he'll have an upper edge against SGs, otherwise he'll merely have to pair it with the proper spike shield. [edit]: he may forge one stat to unlock the next potency and give us something to chitchat about though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 6 2017, 12:09
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Sep 6 2017, 12:48
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Draw99Gray
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So, i sent the rapier i bought at super's auction to sabregimp for IW and returned with But5 Over4. It is no good? What steps should i take to maximize Overpower's total damage?
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Sep 6 2017, 13:32
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Sep 6 2017, 12:48)  So, i sent the rapier i bought at super's auction to sabregimp for IW and returned with But5 Over4. It is no good? What steps should i take to maximize Overpower's total damage? for 1H? for 1H you should've aimed for B5F4 or B4F5. one or two level of overpower may still be tolerated since they still do something, but 4 seem a bit of a waste to me - since overwhelming strikes has the same effect of overpower, just more powerful. for DW, it's fine.
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Sep 6 2017, 14:14
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jplshejeser
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Sep 6 2017, 14:18
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Dk2017
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Sep 6 2017, 14:26
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(Dk2017 @ Sep 6 2017, 14:18)  I would say the shield. If you can afford a decent one and also the forging cost up to level 30-35 of blocking chance, it will boost your survival chance a lot. I think something around 36% base wouldn't take more than 300k in an auction.
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