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- a house is solid investement. Paying off mortgage is much more return on investment than getting interest on savings

It is just because we are living in an extremely low interest rate environment. Bubbles are created by the low discount factor that cannot be lowered furthermore.

My boss has told me the old days when rent was so fxxking low that buying a house and paying 2-digit interest didn't make sense.

And we are also completely Off Topic.

thank you. i would've pointed it out myself but you know, i was sleeping (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

my experience
- derivates (call / put options on stock) is gambling. It's fun, but gambling
- stock is much safer, but wait for a dip to step in
- index trackers are good to start with. again, wait for a little bit of panic before stepping in.
- a house is solid investement. Paying off mortgage is much more return on investment than getting interest on savings

off-top...

So what does this mean for playing HV?
- sell your trophies, don't gamble on derivates (shrining them)
- Train some archeologist (it's like stock with divident)
- watch the Hath and GP exchange: sell high and buy low

uh. nice catch.

It is just because we are living in an extremely low interest rate environment. Bubbles are created by the low discount factor that cannot be lowered furthermore.

My boss has told me the old days when rent was so fxxking low that buying a house and paying 2-digit interest didn't make sense.

not explicitly referring to you alone, but recalling RL markets to validate opinions is one thing (until a certain extent, HV market is a bit particular), speaking about house rent is another.

real estate OT exhausted, next subject?

A question about monsters, since I completely green about that.

Given that maintaining monsters (even without improving their PL) has some cost, but they can return gifts, what is the best player level to begin to create them ?

And is it better to have more low power monsters, or less but high power ?

I would prefer an articulate answer then a two-liner, if possible, thank you all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Could we stop talking about investment and all please? Not only it's being out of place but it's also starting to feel nervous.

Now then, let's talk about investing



...in monsters (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Given that maintaining monsters (even without improving their PL) has some cost, but they can return gifts, what is the best player level to begin to create them ?

And is it better to have more low power monsters, or less but high power ?

I'd say it's best to start creating monsters right away. Even if they never win, you're still guaranteed a gift every 3 days. And even a PL25 monster can bring you bindings and rare materials. So it's always beneficial to unlock new slots whenever you get the tokens to do so, and to create monsters constantly. And it's been said repeatedly that it's better to have lots of low-level monsters compared to high-level ones. At a certain point, you can't really expect to get any reasonable return on investment. I mean, once you've sunk 100+ crystal packs into upgrading a single monster, that monster will take forever to break even.

All of my monsters are still below PL200 and I've already gotten 4-5 phazons and over a dozen of pretty much every binding, so my monster lab is actually making a profit. Still, once you reach a really high level and don't have anything better to do, the monster lab can be a very nice credit sink. Just don't expect a huge benefit from it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

A question about monsters, since I completely green about that.

Given that maintaining monsters (even without improving their PL) has some cost, but they can return gifts, what is the best player level to begin to create them ?

And is it better to have more low power monsters, or less but high power ?

I would prefer an articulate answer then a two-liner, if possible, thank you all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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I think PL 753 is fine. (Reasonable cost, not low-grade materials)

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Of course, it doesn't win frequently.

This post has been edited by Goldage: Sep 5 2017, 14:46

Will it cost Charged holy mage less turns to clear pfudorfest than Radiant holy mage?
Lv.500,1.0prof,non-imperil,fully upgrade.
Radiant needs about 6500turns-7000turns without 0 turn for reference.

I doubt anyone but holydemon/frankmelody can answer you on this.

In my own experience, with max hath perks and max staff upgrades with lv30 upgrade set of full charged holy (4+1), I couldn't clear pfudorfest because my dmg output was too low causing monsters to use mp/sp attacks. The rest is obvious lol That's why I gave up on holy mage, you couldn't get enough dmg without sinking a lot of credits into your set.

I'd say it's best to start creating monsters right away. Even if they never win, you're still guaranteed a gift every 3 days. And even a PL25 monster can bring you bindings and rare materials. So it's always beneficial to unlock new slots whenever you get the tokens to do so, and to create monsters constantly. And it's been said repeatedly that it's better to have lots of low-level monsters compared to high-level ones. At a certain point, you can't really expect to get any reasonable return on investment. I mean, once you've sunk 100+ crystal packs into upgrading a single monster, that monster will take forever to break even.

[/b]Thank you for your answer, and the one from Goldage too, though he seems to think higher PL is better.

From this and the wiki I think the best strategy is somthing like this :

1) as you get blood tokens, use them to open slots and not to upgrade monsters

2) start withlevel 25, slowly upgrade while also your player lvl goes up, so that incoming gifts (especially material) are aligned to what you need (i.e. LG for low lvl player, MG for intermediate, HG for higher)

3) don't invest in crystals if possible (just the minimum quantity to improve moral, maybe, so also scaling PL at the same time but at a sedated rate)

Do you think this is good to minimize cost of monsters, while maximizing the gift-to-cost ratio ?
Or there are better ways ?

Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (again)

1) as you get blood tokens

chaos. and personally i think (unless you have a very, very big crystal incoming) that keeping them at low PL can have a better ROI

chaos.

Yes, of course, my typo, sorry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

and personally i think (unless you have a very, very big crystal incoming) that keeping them at low PL can have a better ROI

Thanks, I was also thinking that, but when they're slow on moral, if I don't use crystals I have to use Happy Pills, and those are dear (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Is there some other method to keep their moral at good level ?

Thanks, I was also thinking that, but when they're slow on moral, if I don't use crystals I have to use Happy Pills, and those are dear (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Is there some other method to keep their moral at good level ?

well, i have morale drain reduction bonus from gold star (which halves monster morale and hunger drain rates), so i don't have big troubles. but i think it's one of the reasons because people tend to feed them a bit of crystals. some thresholds here: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Important_Power_Levels

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 5 2017, 15:46

well, i have morale drain reduction bonus from gold star (which halves monster morale and hunger drain rates), so i don't have big troubles. but i think it's one of the reasons because people tend to feed them a bit of crystals. some thresholds here: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Important_Power_Levels

Hmmm, thank you, that seems to explains why Goldage said he prefers to have them aroud PL 750 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I think I should get those data and try to write an Excel sheet or something to help me balance nuber of monsters vs. costs vs. probable income.

Unless something of the kind does already exist , by any chance ?

P.S. (Last question for today, iI promise (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

Thanks

Hmmm, thank you, that seems to explains why Goldage said he prefers to have them aroud PL 750 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I think I should get those data and try to write an Excel sheet or something to help me balance nuber of monsters vs. costs vs. probable income.

Unless something of the kind does already exist , by any chance ?

no. for the simple reasons that incoming is too random. also, remember that PL750 means, uh... something in the 1.1M range, if you had to purchase every pack. per mob, that is.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 5 2017, 16:14

no. for the simple reasons that incoming is too random. also, remember that PL750 means, uh... something in the 1.1M range, if you had to purchase every pack. per mob, that is.

I wasn't even thinking of going to PL 50 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Merely citing what Goldage said.

Thank you all for the explanations,

bye.

well, i have morale drain reduction bonus from gold star (which halves monster morale and hunger drain rates), so i don't have big troubles. but i think it's one of the reasons because people tend to feed them a bit of crystals. some thresholds here: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Important_Power_Levels

The wiki is a little out of date on this. Morale drain changed with 0.85.

- The drain rate bonus for powerlevel was rescaled to start from PL 250 and increase linearly up to the cap at PL 2250. It now caps at x6 (i.e., the morale bar takes six times longer to drain) up from the old x4. Chaos upgrades no longer affect monster morale drain rate.

The wiki is a little out of date on this. Morale drain changed with 0.85.

ah. wow. another thing to check. oh, well. i'd say to write that it scales linearly, keep 250, 2250 and a couple of other points - those with an int multiplier, perhaps?

I think PL 753 is fine. (Reasonable cost, not low-grade materials)

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Of course, it doesn't win frequently.

But you're still getting 1 gift every 3 days and the added value over a PL50-100 is just one HGC or HGW (which are not even common).
Meanwhile



They cost more but they bring a lot of gifts (and High-Grade are common).

What potency should I look for in a staff IW?

What potency should I look for in a staff IW?

PFfest: 5 pen 4 spellweaver
Hellfest (no imp): 5 pen + 4 econ
Anything else: 5 pen + anything

This post has been edited by cirrux: Sep 5 2017, 18:42

Is there a suggested assimilator level to train up to?