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post Sep 4 2017, 18:03
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Sep 4 2017, 17:59) *

Did the player kept it equipped forever without repairing, possibly while loosin more and more battles while the equipment degraded more and more ?

yes

QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Sep 4 2017, 17:59) *

This is the only way it comes to my mind, thou' I cannot imagine someone doing that - to what aim ?

prior to this patch, it was used for prof farming. now, don't know.
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post Sep 4 2017, 18:54
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 4 2017, 18:03) *

prior to this patch, it was used for prof farming. now, don't know.


I think I see. You mean just battling not to reach the end of the arena (or IW or whatever) but only to elevate some proficiency, possibly using whole equipment sets that would have been bazaared or scraped anyway ?

And without using any scroll/potions nor repairing, to avoid any cost. Interesting strategy, but why now it wouldn't benefit no more ?

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post Sep 4 2017, 18:58
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Newbie question
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What does "Item World Service" Player in WTS does?

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post Sep 4 2017, 19:14
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QUOTE(ALL_MIGHT @ Sep 4 2017, 18:58) *

Newbie question
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What does "Item World Service" Player in WTS does?


You have a non-soulfused equip without good Item World potencies. You don't want to bother doing endless IW's to get Butcher/Fatality. So you send the item to the IW service. You get it back with Butcher/Fatality, as requested. With COD, because that service isn't free.
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post Sep 4 2017, 19:21
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Sep 4 2017, 18:54) *

Interesting strategy, but why now it wouldn't benefit no more ?

because it was used mostly to farm prof staff, afaik. the weaker your attack, the higher the number of times you have to whack mobs, so higher chance to earn prof.

now you earn prof only from one action per round, and without even casting spells, so...

not sure why he used it on an axe though.
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post Sep 4 2017, 19:29
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Random question about PAB bonuses from artifacts. Quoth the wiki:

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The maximum bonus to each attribute is increased by 1 every 10 levels gained. This is capped at +50 per attribute once a player reaches level 491.


So at Level 451, I can potentially get +46 for each PAB?
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post Sep 4 2017, 20:22
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QUOTE(friggo @ Sep 4 2017, 19:29) *

Random question about PAB bonuses from artifacts. Quoth the wiki:
So at Level 451, I can potentially get +46 for each PAB?

i'm at 426 and my cap is +42. what's yours?
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post Sep 4 2017, 20:37
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 4 2017, 21:22) *

i'm at 426 and my cap is +42. what's yours?


I haven't shrined enough to reach any sort of cap yet. The highest I've got is +43.

I'm only asking because of that line in the wiki. If Level 491 = max +50, then logically Level 451 = max +46, but I thought I'd get confirmation.
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post Sep 4 2017, 20:40
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QUOTE(friggo @ Sep 4 2017, 20:37) *

I haven't shrined enough to reach any sort of cap yet. The highest I've got is +43.

I'm only asking because of that line in the wiki. If Level 491 = max +50, then logically Level 451 = max +46, but I thought I'd get confirmation.

go on shrine page and highlight an artifact. you will find it on the description. if you don't have any, just tell me a pm and i'll send you a sprinkler
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post Sep 4 2017, 20:55
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 4 2017, 21:40) *

go on shrine page and highlight an artifact. you will find it on the description. if you don't have any, just tell me a pm and i'll send you a sprinkler


Wow, I never knew about that feature. Thanks for pointing it out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And yeah, it says +44. So I guess I'll just be using that to gauge the PAB bonuses in the future.
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post Sep 4 2017, 20:57
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QUOTE(friggo @ Sep 4 2017, 20:55) *

Wow, I never knew about that feature. Thanks for pointing it out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And yeah, it says +44. So I guess I'll just be using that to gauge the PAB bonuses in the future.

so it's a rounding down. guess wiki could use a quick fix...
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post Sep 4 2017, 23:17
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pro tip: if you want to buy gold star, do so on a day that the BTC drops like crazy. Donation system uses the maximum value of past 7 days or last 24 hrs. Today the donation system valued BTC over 5k USD. You could buy BTC for only 4400 USD.
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post Sep 4 2017, 23:59
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 4 2017, 23:17) *

pro tip: if you want to buy gold star, do so on a day that the BTC drops like crazy. Donation system uses the maximum value of past 7 days or last 24 hrs. Today the donation system valued BTC over 5k USD. You could buy BTC for only 4400 USD.

5k? in the last year it raised quite a lot. buying BTC a couple years ago would've been a really nice investment...
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post Sep 5 2017, 00:11
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 4 2017, 23:59) *

5k? in the last year it raised quite a lot. buying BTC a couple years ago would've been a really nice investment...

Investment? No, just a gamble that had acctually pay off.
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post Sep 5 2017, 00:46
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 4 2017, 14:17) *

pro tip: if you want to buy gold star, do so on a day that the BTC drops like crazy. Donation system uses the maximum value of past 7 days or last 24 hrs. Today the donation system valued BTC over 5k USD. You could buy BTC for only 4400 USD.


The sad part is this only works with exchanges.
ATMs use nearly the same scale on selling BTC as this site values them.

IE: If a person went to a BTC ATM right now, they would pay 5,066.
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post Sep 5 2017, 00:49
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Investment? No, just a gamble that had acctually pay off.


Tell me just one example of investment that is not a gamble ? An investment trades something you have now (i.e. certain) for a promise (called "contract") that something other is or will be given to you (called by different names, depending on the type of contract), subject to certain conditions (whose realization is uncertain). Those conditions are stated in the contracts' terms.

A gamble trades something you have now (certain), for a promise (called "bet") that something other will be given to you (the winnings, different kinds of depending on the specific type of gamble), subject to certain conditions (whose realization is uncertain). Those conditions are implicit in the gamble rules and the laws of probability.

Both are based on uncertainties (called "risk" in financial jargon) , therefore both are kind of gambles.

Both are also kinds of investments, if you choose to see them like that - it's just in your brain if you consider what you're doing an investment or a gamble.

Most people call investments what they THINK is going to pay back with high probability, and call gamble what they know is going to be an highly probable loose. But that's terminology, doesn't change the fact that they both are risk-taking enterprises.
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post Sep 5 2017, 01:03
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One investment that is not a gamble: purchasing a house.
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post Sep 5 2017, 01:05
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Sep 5 2017, 00:49) *

Tell me just one example of investment that is not a gamble ? An investment trades something you have now (i.e. certain) for a promise (called "contract") that something other is or will be given to you (called by different names, depending on the type of contract), subject to certain conditions (whose realization is uncertain). Those conditions are stated in the contracts' terms.

A gamble trades something you have now (certain), for a promise (called "bet") that something other will be given to you (the winnings, different kinds of depending on the specific type of gamble), subject to certain conditions (whose realization is uncertain). Those conditions are implicit in the gamble rules and the laws of probability.

Both are based on uncertainties (called "risk" in financial jargon) , therefore both are kind of gambles.

Both are also kinds of investments, if you choose to see them like that - it's just in your brain if you consider what you're doing an investment or a gamble.

Most people call investments what they THINK is going to pay back with high probability, and call gamble what they know is going to be an highly probable loose. But that's terminology, doesn't change the fact that they both are risk-taking enterprises.

protip: a good amount depends on the accuracy of initial ipothesys.
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post Sep 5 2017, 01:21
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 5 2017, 01:03) *

One investment that is not a gamble: purchasing a house.

Untrue. Recent examples of this : the bubble in the 2008 crisis was caused (mainly) buy a debt bubble, tied to loans in the building market. People who boght the house in 2007 at huge price found their value cut in half in 2009 (or less, or not, depending on location town etc. etc.). Hardly not a gamble !

And if they bought it with a loan, whose mortgage rates where to be paid back based on the previous (much higher) value? How many of them went bankrupt ? Because buying a house is a gamble : you gamble that its future value will be the same or even a bit more then its present value, you gamble that you will be able to pay back the mortgage for all the time it lasts (what if you loose your work after 2 years and canot find another?),
you gamble that your newly boght house won't be destroyed in a hurricane or floodin or earthquake or whatever, etc etc.

Some of those risks may be covered with insurances, you're going to tell me - yes, and so can be in all gambles. However you cannot cover all risks, simply because covering all risks means you have a sure loss (insurance companies must earn more then they pay back, so the sum over time and people is always negative for the insured side).

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post Sep 5 2017, 01:47
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And this example is an exception and exepctions confirm the rule.
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