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but general consensuous is that Slaughter > Savage non-Slaughter. guess this comes because crit are more random than standard ADB

Also strikes and counter-attacks don't crit.
The benefit from savage prefix is roughly 1/3 that of slaughter suffix (obviously savage has no useful alternatives while protection/balance/warding are useful in their own way).

In style DW, what is the best combination if I have a rapier of balance in the Off Hand ?. I read the wiki and there are those of club + rapier, rapier + waki..etc. But I would like to know the opinion of the experts

Report: I passed PF T&T, and don't feel much difference from IWBTH.

But I suspect SGs in PF Arena are much stronger?

This post has been edited by buimon: Aug 31 2017, 07:09

In style DW, what is the best combination if I have a rapier of balance in the Off Hand ?. I read the wiki and there are those of club + rapier, rapier + waki..etc. But I would like to know the opinion of the experts

I've always used club/rapier because stun allows you to hit things without having to worry about parry/overpower. Currently using the ones in my sig with full shadowdancer shade.

You could use mainhand rapier offhand waki, but you'd have to go for overpower on both pieces to make sure you don't get parried. It does afford you more of the parry stat for yourself though, which boosts your survivabilty.

In style DW, what is the best combination if I have a rapier of balance in the Off Hand ?. I read the wiki and there are those of club + rapier, rapier + waki..etc. But I would like to know the opinion of the experts

It all depends on what you need the most: survivability or max damage? For survivability you want a Club, for super duper damage you want an Axe (highest base damage) or a Shortsword (best accuracy+more damage than waki). Wakis are only ever needed as offhand for their parry stat.

It all depends on what you need the most: survivability or max damage? For survivability you want a Club, for super duper damage you want an Axe (highest base damage) or a Shortsword (best accuracy+more damage than waki). Wakis are only ever needed as offhand for their parry stat.

I disagree with club = survivability for DW. If anything Club is the best for max damage, because you can roll Butcher+Fatality on both the rapier and club, while with Axe you'd have to roll Overpower on both of them, which lowers your crit damage and ADB. Also bleed kinda sucks.

Except that you need your target to be stunned in order not to need overpower. With the crap accuracy of a Club, good luck to hit a target without either stun or OP. Not to mention that in all cases your counterattack will occur on non-stunned targets.
And frankly, when one plays 1H, he choses what target to attack, it's not "I'm gonna attack whatever is stunned in order not to need OP". Talk about a headache.

And who talked about bleeding? You don't need to proc at all anyway when you're using max damage. The only moment bleeding is any useful when playing 1H, it's against SGs, in which case it's way more useful than stunning it.

Some people around here are starting to ask themselves if Leg Ethereal Axe of Slaughter could become a new meta, it's not for nothing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

For now in my level what I put in priority is survival, therefore go for Maximum damage I do not think it is very wise.

Then Slaughter's Club + Balance rapier would be the best?

Shortswords are better than wakis?

This post has been edited by rokyroky: Aug 31 2017, 08:43

Except that you need your target to be stunned in order not to need overpower. With the crap accuracy of a Club, good luck to hit a target without either stun or OP. Not to mention that in all cases your counterattack will occur on non-stunned targets.
And frankly, when one plays 1H, he choses what target to attack, it's not "I'm gonna attack whatever is stunned in order not to need OP". Talk about a headache.

And who talked about bleeding? You don't need to proc at all anyway when you're using max damage. The only moment bleeding is any useful when playing 1H, it's against SGs, in which case it's way more useful than stunning it.

Some people around here are starting to ask themselves if Leg Ethereal Axe of Slaughter could become a new meta, it's not for nothing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

We're talking about DW though. And I have over 200% accuracy with a club. I don't know where you're getting 1H from.

Shortswords are not really better than wakis. It's just that they are more oriented toward attack rather than defense.
But for your needs: yep a club of slaughter is good. But if you've got a decent power set to raise its damage output, maybe you'd want a club of the nimble to really max out your defense capabilities.

In the end you will just need to try it out to see if it goes well or not.

with a rapier of balance majority of users tend to use a Club of Slaughter. possibly with high Butcher/Fatality levels on both.
you may also use Axe + Rapier, but apart for needing a bit of Overpower (from my personal experience, 4~6 should be enough) you may need to forge the Axe quite a bit. i'd consider it on higher levels.
Shortsword + Rapier seems like a jack-of-all, master-of-none chance. less attack than club/axe, more defense than club/axe. may be viable until you find a club.


also, regarding wakis: waki users don't use them because BW process, ADB or whatever, but for their safety. wakis of nimble currently have the highest parry in the whole game (you can reach 90% on your build) and wakis in general have the highest DEX/AGI rolls. consider that 25 AGI = 1 Evade and 25 DEX = 1 Parry and 1 Crit chance...

Thanks for the advice. I will go for the Club + rapier. I'll start looking for the club, I do not have one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

That of the axes confuses me a little. At higher levels is it good to leave the Stun for BW?

That of the axes confuses me a little. At higher levels is it good to leave the Stun for BW?

not for BW. for higher ADB. it's one of those postulated things. still needs to be proven, but on the paper it could work

[edit]: btw, interested? https://hentaiverse.org/equip/71345483/535d63b2dd

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Aug 31 2017, 16:20

not for BW. for higher ADB. it's one of those postulated things. still needs to be proven, but on the paper it could work

Hmm .. I'll have it in mind (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Which melee style would clear a pfudorfest fastest? (Don't suggest mage please) Even with OFC every 3 rounds, it would still take me around 20k turns (over 90 mins) to clear one.

Which melee style would clear a pfudorfest fastest? (Don't suggest mage please) Even with OFC every 3 rounds, it would still take me around 20k turns (over 90 mins) to clear one.

Perhaps styles other than 1H might be faster at killing monsters, but I highly doubt they'd survive the later rounds of a PFUDORfest. I don't know anyone who's regularly clearing Pfest with DW or 2H.

And 90 minutes is kinda the best you can hope for with 1H anyway, unless you get all 9 damage perks and a fully upgraded all savage+slaughter set. That's just how it is.

Which melee style would clear a pfudorfest fastest? (Don't suggest mage please) Even with OFC every 3 rounds, it would still take me around 20k turns (over 90 mins) to clear one.

Friggo is right of course... PFfests last 200 rounds is very difficult. Only thing you could try is gum. But that's not worth the credits.

And i am sure not even 50% of them are even active in the community. From those not all play HV and from those not all trade in this forum. So talking about this nearly 4m is just on thing, wrong.

can we ask 10b some info how many ppl play hv, and how many ppl on lv 400+

Thanks for the advice. I will go for the Club + rapier. I'll start looking for the club, I do not have one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

That of the axes confuses me a little. At higher levels is it good to leave the Stun for BW?

I Played Dual Wield for a long time (before switching to 1 Hand) with Club in main hand and Rapier on offhand.

Trust me, at some point Rapier+Wakizashi will become a must unless you upgrade the equipment a lot, in fact i have stopped using DW completely until i fin a really good Waki for offhand.

So, if you can find good equipment at reasonable price go immediatly Rapier+Waki.

Or even better, go directly Rapier+(Force) Shield+Heavy Armor, better, faster and much more fun to play.