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Nov 30 2019, 16:19
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Maharid
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@Arkoniusx: Those piece are all... quite bad?
You can get decent pieces of Shade equipment with not so much money, the other tow are just really poor in overall stats.
I say this because time ago i also got equipment like that thnking of making a good catch... ite never was.
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Nov 30 2019, 22:40
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mundomuñeca
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Nov 30 2019, 16:19)  @Arkoniusx: Those piece are all... quite bad?
You can get decent pieces of Shade equipment with not so much money, the other tow are just really poor in overall stats.
I say this because time ago i also got equipment like that thnking of making a good catch... ite never was.
Actually, the Legendary Jade Shade Breastplate of Negation is not that bad, I'd say, especially at that level. The club really is bad, but it's also the cheapest at least (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ... and the Power ... meh, but at least is a Savage and right-on his level (no need to spend soulfrags). As long as they are better than what he had before, why not ?
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Dec 1 2019, 01:47
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Arkoniusx
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Nov 30 2019, 23:40)  Actually, the Legendary Jade Shade Breastplate of Negation is not that bad, I'd say, especially at that level. The club really is bad, but it's also the cheapest at least (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ... and the Power ... meh, but at least is a Savage and right-on his level (no need to spend soulfrags). As long as they are better than what he had before, why not ? Exactly, as I mentioned, the one-handed fighting style is not my main fighting style, in fact, it is very possible that in the end it will be left with pure legendary-grade equipment that nobody wants to buy and is considered garbage, because I will not buy it Nothing that costs more than 100k credits, even if I have the money to spend. The club is gifted cost 11k credits, and it will help me to prove a theory about how good it can be to bring that type of prefix for the defense, I will not use it for anything else, unless I get good potencies in the IW .
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Dec 1 2019, 01:49
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Nov 30 2019, 15:19)  @Arkoniusx: Those piece are all... quite bad?
You can get decent pieces of Shade equipment with not so much money, the other tow are just really poor in overall stats.
I say this because time ago i also got equipment like that thnking of making a good catch... ite never was.
Agreed. Shade is too cheap to even consider bazaar. You can get low level savage fleet with good adb for less than 100k. In shops you could even pay less than 50k.
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Dec 4 2019, 20:35
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KitsuneAbby
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Dec 9 2019, 03:35
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sssss2
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Dec 9 2019, 10:57
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BlueWaterSplash
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SDA shields are probably underrated, they are the 2nd best for melee and nowdays I think Agility might be almost as useful as Endurance.
Actually now that I think about, there is still one bit of analysis in this comparison that needs to be done someday. Exactly how much more defense (HP plus Mitigations) is shield Endurance going to give you, compared to exactly how much more defense (PMit plus Attack Speed, don't know if Evade should count as good or bad) is shield Agility going to give you?
This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Dec 9 2019, 11:02
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Dec 9 2019, 17:02
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Dec 9 2019, 09:57)  SDA shields are probably underrated, they are the 2nd best for melee and nowdays I think Agility might be almost as useful as Endurance.
Actually now that I think about, there is still one bit of analysis in this comparison that needs to be done someday. Exactly how much more defense (HP plus Mitigations) is shield Endurance going to give you, compared to exactly how much more defense (PMit plus Attack Speed, don't know if Evade should count as good or bad) is shield Agility going to give you?
Any shield with A is bad, because A itself is bad. Endurance gives you HP, PMit and MMit. Agility gives you half the PMit END gives you, along with undesirable stats such as Attack Speed (bad) and Evade (also bad). Trading END for AGI is literally giving out a full boost of HP and MMi and half a boost of PMi to get hindrances in exchange (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Dec 9 2019, 17:02
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Dec 9 2019, 20:48
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BlueWaterSplash
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In my current opinion Attack Speed shouldn't be considered a negative. When compared more carefully in the Research thread, Haste gave a negligible reduction in offense. And in a number of cases it improved offense. People didn't fully analyze it before. Even if we take the pessimistic results of Attack Speed, it's experimentally and theoretically 1/4 to 1/2 as bad as Evade, for an equal amount of it. Considering how low amounts Agility, Swift Strike, or prefixes/suffixes give you, the contribution to offense would not be noticeable either way and you might as well purely consider it a defensive effect, where it would be noticeable. Even Block had been overrated when I checked the formulas; pretty much contributing nothing to offense. Attack Speed could thus be viewed as equally good to Block for the same amount of it. You can further manipulate the amount of Attack Speed and Evade you let through by aiming your burden around 70 or 40 depending what you want. Some people don't care about defense in 1H to begin with, in which case SDA or SDE would be no different.
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Dec 10 2019, 08:39
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acnx365
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Dec 12 2019, 03:54
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Dec 13 2019, 03:31
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makaveli_18
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Dec 13 2019, 07:27
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Maharid
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Nice catch.
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