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You should be able to answer that question yourself since the White Aura is not a prerequisite for the Rainbow Aura. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I don't follow you.

Whether or not the White/Black is a prerequisite for the Rainbow logically does NOTHING, one way or the other, to answer the question that asks if the Rainbow replaces the benefits of the Black and White, or stacks with them....which is why I asked the question in the first place -I wanted to see what somebody else experienced firsthand (and possibly "measured" the before-and-after results as well just to be sure).

Even now I am not 100% clear what your rebuttal is getting at, but I am hoping that your response indicates that the three Auras do indeed stack with one another (which makes me very very happy if true).



This post has been edited by Thanos008: Nov 19 2009, 20:59

I don't follow you.

Whether or not the White/Black is a prerequisite for the Rainbow logically does NOTHING, one way or the other, to answer the question that asks if the Rainbow replaces the benefits of the Black and White, or stacks with them....which is why I asked the question in the first place -I wanted to see what somebody else experienced firsthand (and possibly "measured" the before-and-after results as well just to be sure).

Even now I am not 100% clear what your rebuttal is getting at, but I am hoping that your response indicates that the three Auras do indeed stack with one another (which makes me very very happy if true).

I think his logic was this: if Black and/or White Auras were a prerequisite for Rainbow, then Rainbow would replace them, in the same way that I assume Lots of Pages replaces More Pages. Plus it should be indicated on the Hath Perks page if anything is required to get anything else. I have both the Black and White Auras right now, and neither is required for the other, or Rainbow. It wouldn't really make sense if they were, since the first two impact entirely different Auras. So it makes sense that they aren't related, thus they would stack, instead of any replacing another. It can be a bit confusing, since the donation Auras do replace each other.



By the way, is Paging Enlargement a new perk? I don't recall it being there before...

I don't follow you.

Whether or not the White/Black is a prerequisite for the Rainbow logically does NOTHING, one way or the other, to answer the question that asks if the Rainbow replaces the benefits of the Black and White, or stacks with them....which is why I asked the question in the first place -I wanted to see what somebody else experienced firsthand (and possibly "measured" the before-and-after results as well just to be sure).

Even now I am not 100% clear what your rebuttal is getting at, but I am hoping that your response indicates that the three Auras do indeed stack with one another (which makes me very very happy if true).

I think his logic was this: if Black and/or White Auras were a prerequisite for Rainbow, then Rainbow would replace them, in the same way that I assume Lots of Pages replaces More Pages. Plus it should be indicated on the Hath Perks page if anything is required to get anything else. I have both the Black and White Auras right now, and neither is required for the other, or Rainbow. It wouldn't really make sense if they were, since the first two impact entirely different Auras. So it makes sense that they aren't related, thus they would stack, instead of any replacing another. It can be a bit confusing, since the donation Auras do replace each other.

Thank god there are other people capable of deducing such a simple conclusion without someone having to spoon-feed a cut and dried, black or white answer.

By the way, is Paging Enlargement a new perk? I don't recall it being there before...

Looks like we have a new "most worthless" perk series to replace Stoism+.

Thank god there are other people capable of deducing such a simple conclusion without someone having to spoon-feed a cut and dried, black or white answer.

It can be a bit confusing, since the donation Auras do replace each other. [[and they don't have prerequisites, either -Thanos008.]]

Thank God there are other people capable of understanding the concerns of others, and who can at least see where those other people's concerns might logically be justified.





This post has been edited by Thanos008: Nov 19 2009, 22:07

I'm sorry you're not capable of drawing a proverbial mental straight line from point A to point B.

You have no room to criticize anyone's logic when you can't even think for yourself.

There is no logic in thinking that White/Black/Rainbow replace each other when they are not prerequisites for each other and are paid for individually. Saying that donation auras make it confusing is also moronic since each type replaces the preceding aura gained. The key bit of logic you are missing is that the White/Black/Rainbow are gained individually through separate hath payments (not prereq,) and that the donation auras are gained sequentially through cumulative monetary payments (prereq.) This is further supported by the fact that standard auras do not have prerequisites for other standard auras of another color and do stack, the fact that White, Black, and Rainbow all have their own dividers and do not state that you need another perk to activate them, and the fact that the other perks required sequentially no not stack.

Arrange the puzzle pieces, glue them together with some common sense, and presto, you have your answer.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Nov 19 2009, 22:44

I'm sorry you're not capable of drawing a proverbial mental straight line from point A to point B.

You have no room to criticize anyone's logic when you can't even think for yourself.

I did think for myself; I merely came to a different conclusion than you did, albeit arrived at logically.

You demonstrate logical weakness of your own when you can't even accept that other people might come to different conclusions through logical processes.

There is no logic in thinking that White/Black/Rainbow replace each other when they are not prerequisites for each other and are paid for individually.

Again, your own Logic is at fault here.

There are, at least, four possible logical scenarios (and of course, it is easily observable that two of the possibilities are not true since one can buy any one of the three Spectral Auras at will) :

A]] You don't have to have prerequisites for any of the Spectral Auras, and they stack.

B]] You do have to have prerequisites for the Spectral Auras, and they stack.

C]] You don't have to have prerequisites for any of the Spectral Auras, and they don't stack.

D]] You do have to have prerequisites for any of the Spectral Auras, and they don't stack.

My question lies in the two valid possibilities here, A and C. When you determine where my own logic is faulty, let me know.

The key bit of logic you are missing is that the White/Black/Rainbow are gained though individual payments (not prereq), and that the donation auras are gained through cumulative payments (prereq.)

Really??

Nothing that I have ever seen says that I have to pay for one of the lower-level donations before I pay for a higher-level one; as far as I know I can donate all $1000 at once if I so choose and go straight to Catgirl (and the EH Wiki seems to agree with me by its wording); maybe you have access to different info from elsewhere and can share it with the rest of us (EDIT: or at least you misunderstand the proper use of the word "prerequisite.")




BTW, that proves the point made in previous postings -namely, that one might logically and legitimately be concerned about "wasting" money/Creds on a White or Black Aura before buying a Rainbow, especially if he or she sees that the rewards for Site Donations work in a similar manner and 'higher' Auras replace 'lower' ones -that's the main reason why I asked the question in the first place.

Back to you.


This post has been edited by Thanos008: Nov 19 2009, 23:04

Back to you.

I don't make a habit of arguing with morons on this forum anymore. Just resign to the fact that you are incapable of drawing such a simple conclusion. Your "logical" solutions can all be eliminated except for one, and I've already explained how so. Also, rejecting a moron's perception of logic doesn't invalidate my own, which is based in reality and supported by facts.

White, Black, and Rainbow auras have always stacked, ever since their creation, and that has been confirmed many, many times through the mouth of the EHGod, as well as various number crunching forum members, self included, that are more inclined to logic, reasoning, and use of hard evidence than yourself. It's not like the proof hasn't been publicly available since before you were even a member.

You have your answer. Now shut your fucking mouth.

Just resign to the fact that you are incapable of drawing such a simple conclusion.

An unnecessary effort on my part, since the other guy already answered the posed question in an adult manner, seeing it for the honest question that it was and even taking the time to express how he could see someone else logically coming to the same conclusion (albeit an erroneous one).

Something that you ultimately proved incapable of doing.

White, Black, and Rainbow auras have always stacked, ever since their creation, and that has been confirmed many, many times through the mouth of the EHGod, as well as various number crunching forum members, self included, that are more inclined to logic, reasoning, and use of hard evidence than yourself.

And yet, somehow, you fail to see that the very fact that (by your own words) other folks have apparently had the very same question on the very same subject over time, means that the question is indeed a valid one. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You have your answer. Now shut your fucking mouth.

Yeah, we already covered that; the other guy gave an adult response to an honest question that actually answered it instead of resorting to childish snarkiness, remember??

Keep on arguing how people can only logically see things one way, if you like; I'm done with this Thread Derail and back to HV Questions.

Which do you veterans think is the better option to train first: Pack Rat 1 or Refined Aura 1?

By the time I can afford either, I'll be at least lvl 50. Since I used two of my aura points on magic-based auras way back before equipment was introduced (Indigo and Violet), I've got 5 auras unlocked: Orange, Green, Red, Indigo, and Violet. At level 50 I'll get an aura point that I could use to unlock Yellow, but I'd need a rank in Refined Aura to make use of it. I could also potentially re-activate Violet, and save the lvl 50 aura point for boosting an existing aura once I have Focused Aura 1 ten levels later.

However, being able to bring an extra item into battle (especially for the harder arenas) seems quite enticing.

Basically, it comes down to a choice of either 5% magic hit chance (for deprecating spells?), and +1 STR +1 INT; or +1% evade and +2 AGI; or an extra item slot. Which do you guys recommend for the best short term benefit (since I'll be able to afford both training options eventually).

At this point I wouldn't bother unlocking any more auras, since you only have the three slots right now. Since you went ahead and spent aura points to unlock ones that you don't use, I would say that Refined Aura gives you the better short term benefit, as you get the immediate EXP, power, and stat boosts. If you can get the two absorb ones and the hit and damage for your primary method of attack, you're doing well. The evade one is handy, both for evasion and it gives you most of an action speed point.

If taking on long arena battles and/or legendaries is an immediate priority, then you may want to consider Pack Rat, as that's most of its use.

If taking on long arena battles and/or legendaries is an immediate priority, then you may want to consider Pack Rat, as that's most of its use.

Speaking of taking on legendaries... is there any chance at all that one can defeat a Ring of Blood boss at lvl 50? The first 4 become available to me in 3 levels, and I was wondering if there's any reason to attempt them then.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Nov 20 2009, 06:43

Speaking of taking on legendaries... is there any chance at all that one can defeat a Ring of Blood boss at lvl 50? The first 4 become available to me in 3 levels, and I was wondering if there's any reason to attempt them then.

Its not impossible, just very difficult. You'll need some way to mitigate their Skills/Spirits because those can more or less one-shot you (they're not supposed to be able to, but its more like you get to live one more turn before their normal attack wipes you out). So if you've got Scrolls of Absorb or Spark, you'll need them. I would wait until you had Blind or Bewilder (I didn't try my first one until I got Silence, but that was before it was shuffled); Cure II helps you get out of that "they hit for more than I can Cure" hole, particularly if you just ate a special, but that's at 100. I think Forth Lancer and one or two other people have been successful with them at Level 70ish, but a full-strength Boss is a tall order for a level 50. You could try the classic Poison+PA/Bleed+PA/Spirit+PA tactics and whittle them down, but its a matter of endurance. Do you have enough HP, MP, and items to outlast them?

This post has been edited by cmal: Nov 20 2009, 07:17

Speaking of taking on legendaries... is there any chance at all that one can defeat a Ring of Blood boss at lvl 50? The first 4 become available to me in 3 levels, and I was wondering if there's any reason to attempt them then.

There's no real REASON to do it then, especially since your chances won't be that good at lvl 50, and you can do it anytime, so long as you have the tokens. I just barely beat Mithra with the PA+Spirit tactic at 58, but only after Manbearpig chewed me up and spit me out. You might get lucky, but don't be surprised if you don't win. Really, be more surprised if you do win.

But if you do win, be sure to tell us how you did it...

I'm guessing that the PA+Spirit tactic is get PA up on the boss, then use your Spirit Attack for Massive Damage™, refilling with strong Spirit consumables for another attack when you max your overcharge? I'd like to give that a try! Probably gonna need a few extra item slots for that, though.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Nov 20 2009, 12:35

You probably have enough slots to take on Manbearpig. I'm repeating someone else's advice here, and I can't remember who it was... Manbearpig's attacks are the "wrong" way round compared to the other bosses. His "magic" attack is actually physical, and his spirit attack is magical. That means you can protect against Super Serial with Weaken, so the only thing you have to worry about is Global Warming. It takes him a long time to charge up his spirit bar, so one or two Scrolls of Life are all you need to survive that - as long as you don't take forever to kill him. And two Spirit attacks with PA should take care of that.

Summary: Take two Scrolls of Life, one Godly Spirit Draught, the rest Godly Mana Draughts. Should be more than enough.

I'm guessing that the PA+Spirit tactic is get PA up on the boss, then use your Spirit Attack for Massive Damage™, refilling with strong Spirit consumables for another attack when you max your overcharge? I'd like to give that a try! Probably gonna need a few extra item slots for that, though.

Yes.

Do that before you try to proceed -personally, I'd say that you should have at least 5 or 6 of them.

IMO, Extra Item Slots are one of the best buys in the game -that is to say, IMO you spend the least amount of dough (relatively speaking) to get the best short- and long-term benefits, out of just about anything you to have to buy/train for.

What's the deal with those "award" icons I see below some people's avatars? Stuff like the Golden @, or the Dull Gem? How do you get them, and what do they do?

What's the deal with those "award" icons I see below some people's avatars? Stuff like the Golden @, or the Dull Gem? How do you get them, and what do they do?

They're exactly that, awards that were given to them. You can click them for a description or load up Sonic's Calc and hit the Awards tab of the Bonuses section for more detailed info. Some of them were randomly given out, a few were earned. If Tenboro does another holiday special this year, a few of them might be given out.

There's no real REASON to do it then, especially since your chances won't be that good at lvl 50, and you can do it anytime, so long as you have the tokens. I just barely beat Mithra with the PA+Spirit tactic at 58, but only after Manbearpig chewed me up and spit me out. You might get lucky, but don't be surprised if you don't win. Really, be more surprised if you do win.

But if you do win, be sure to tell us how you did it...

I think its all about bringing in the right items. I've beaten all 4 bosses at lvl54 in one try each using the PA->spirit and scroll of life advice. However the scrolls never were proc'ed so they may not even be needed. For me it was just scroll of life at beginning keep weaken up then beat until overcharge maxed (120 for me) then use spirit. Recharge spirit then rinse and repeat. The thing you'll need to keep in mind is to try to keep your HP high(use cure) as the bosses specials hit me for up to 500 damage.

I think its all about bringing in the right items. I've beaten all 4 bosses at lvl54 in one try each using the PA->spirit and scroll of life advice. However the scrolls never were proc'ed so they may not even be needed. For me it was just scroll of life at beginning keep weaken up then beat until overcharge maxed (120 for me) then use spirit. Recharge spirit then rinse and repeat. The thing you'll need to keep in mind is to try to keep your HP high(use cure) as the bosses specials hit me for up to 500 damage.

...when this happened, I was actually so mad that I nearly threw something. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

And to think I nearly lost by wearing a piece of heavy armor that gave me interference. You were right, the Scroll of Life actually ran out on me. That's probably because I pumped some extra AP into HP, but there was one point where he knocked my HP to a single digit. Not sure how I got out of that one...

But I learned my lesson from the last fight: two PA rapiers, because otherwise PA only shows while I'm too busy desperately healing to attack.

And to think I nearly lost by wearing a piece of heavy armor that gave me interference.

I'm assuming that interference almost screwed you out of keeping Weaken up 100%? So how important would you say it is to have as little interference as possible for low level boss killing? My "best" gear at the moment includes plate chest and gloves, cloth pants and hat, and leather boots. My interference is 52.8 (burden 61.5). Should I absolutely look for some cloth gear to reduce that interference?

Also, I notice the large propertion of "of the Fire-Eater" gear you've got on. What's that for?