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Also, when a weapon is leveled up to level 10, does it get hollow-forged and another potency? Or just hollow-forged?

Just Hollowforged.

—or just a random Elemental Strike if it's already a Void weapon.

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Sep 26 2012, 01:21

Ah, alright, thanks.

I was kind of hoping I could get both Butcher and Swift Strike maxed out on my weapon (it had all melee PABs already) but I guess not. Oh well.

Ah, alright, thanks.

I was kind of hoping I could get both Butcher and Swift Strike maxed out on my weapon (it had all melee PABs already) but I guess not. Oh well.

maybe we could have every +10 forge levels add +1 to the number of levels you can put onto an item.

maybe we could have every +10 forge levels add +1 to the number of levels you can put onto an item.

That's not a bad idea; too bad it (the spirit of the idea, at least) can be circumvent easily by having player with higher forge level to IW the gear for someone with lower forge level.

A mechanism that prevents or inhibits this can be implemented to the game, but such safeguard would feel ... 'unnatural' in relation to another feature in the game ... if you know what I mean. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

What's wrong with blacksmiths, Buktore?

Anyhow, 10b already planned to add sth to reward using your own forge.

That's not a bad idea; too bad it (the spirit of the idea, at least) can be circumvent easily by having player with higher forge level to IW the gear for someone with lower forge level.

A mechanism that prevents or inhibits this can be implemented to the game, but such safeguard would feel ... 'unnatural' in relation to another feature in the game ... if you know what I mean. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I don't see anything wrong with that. It would give people more of a reason to have me level their gear for ungodly prices (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

what difficulty do i need to play on in order to get Exquisite gear i have searched but have not found an answer. thanks in advance to anyone who gives me an answer

Luck, really.
Gear quality is rolled by random roll for each stat with minimum determined by where you play on what quality. So obviously, higher difficulty yields on average better drops, but the cap is the same - you can have exquisite drop both on easy and IWBTH.

Crude's top is 0.45. Fine starts at 0.51 and goes to 0.75, I think. Exquisite starts somewhere in the 80s though most are in the 90s I believe.

Exquisite is about 0.86+. And yes it depends on your luck, though playing on higher difficulty helps.
It's impossible to pinpoint a difficulty when you're starting to get exquisite: people have seen legendary from normal and crude from IWBTH.

Exquisite is about 0.86+. And yes it depends on your luck, though playing on higher difficulty helps.
It's impossible to pinpoint a difficulty when you're starting to get exquisite: people have seen legendary from normal and crude from IWBTH.

AFAIK difficulty only multiplies the chance of getting higher tier items. That is, in cloth armor the tiers are:
T1: Cotton
T2: Gossamar
T3: Phase

Higher difficulty multiplies (with the same multiplier as credits) the chances of getting a higher tier drop. The quality of the item is AFAIK unaffected by difficulty. It is luck, as well as bonuses given from:
1. Your player level (the ONLY reason to level, you get weaker as you level but gear drops improve; but slowly).
2. Your henjutsu training

This post has been edited by mrttao: Sep 29 2012, 15:14

The quality of the item is AFAIK unaffected by difficulty.

LOLWUT?

LOLWUT?

Do you have info to the contrary?

AFAIK difficulty only multiplies the chance of getting higher tier items. That is, in cloth armor the tiers are:
T1: Cotton
T2: Gossamar
T3: Phase

Higher difficulty multiplies (with the same multiplier as credits) the chances of getting a higher tier drop. The quality of the item is AFAIK unaffected by difficulty. It is luck, as well as bonuses given from:
1. Your player level (the ONLY reason to level, you get weaker as you level but gear drops improve; but slowly).
2. Your henjutsu training

0.6.2
- The loot bonuses for playing on higher difficulty levels have been increased.

0.6.5

- Difficulty now has a larger effect both on loot quality and credit drops.

Unless you want to tell me that 'loot bonuses' and 'loot quality' refers to loot tier roll. And patch 0.6.2 is before the loot tier thing.

0.6.5

Loot Generator improvements

The part of the loot generator that determines equipment type and class has been refined. Instead of doing a plain roll on fixed odds, there are now two separate rolls.

- The first roll determines type (one-handed, two-handed, staff, shield, etc..), while the second roll determines the newly introduced "tier" of equipment. While the odds for equipment type are still fixed (unless you use a trophy to set it), equipment tier is now affected by the difficulty setting. For example, on IWBTH the odds for getting tier 2 and tier 3 equipment is 5x higher than on normal.

If you don't believe me, play 100 rounds of IW in normal and BT setting and count the number of different types of potions you get.

This post has been edited by varst: Sep 29 2012, 15:44

First, thank you for sharing such info. I said "AFAIK" not "I AM RIGHT AND U WRONG AND HURR DURR I SO SMART AND EVERYONE ELSE STUPID".

I always welcome being corrected by someone who backs up their statements.

0.6.5

- Difficulty now has a larger effect both on loot quality and credit drops.

If you don't believe me

What does belief have to do with anything?
Anyways, that "loot quality" line from v0.6.5 is pretty solid evidence to support what you said. Although with how vague english is it could potentially mean something else, that is unlikely enough for me to consider what you said to be "most likely correct" until shown otherwise.

Any information on what the bonus actually is for various difficulties?

Also, http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls
as well as http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Training#Increased_Drop_Chances
and http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulty#Challenge_Level
need to be updated to include mention of difficulty improving item roll's (and subsequently quality) as they currently only mention it improving the tier roll.

play 100 rounds of IW in normal and BT setting and count the number of different types of potions you get.

Potion quality is irrelevant to item quality (edit: By item I meant equipment). Its a completely different set of rolls. Unless tenboro stated he uses the same code for both subroutines.

0.6.5

Loot Generator improvements

That one just discusses the higher tier bonuses not the equipment quality.

0.6.2
- The loot bonuses for playing on higher difficulty levels have been increased.

That could be anything. Like chance of dropping or who knows what.

This post has been edited by mrttao: Sep 29 2012, 16:35

Already in wiki. The numbers and the formulas are outdated, but that's the best information we have. And the general idea is still correct.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Training#Loot_Factors

Item drops are affected by the same loot quality as equips: this includes the type of items you get and the quality (only on potions) you're getting.

And it's even better for you to search evidence first if your idea contradicts others, not the other way round. I get all those information by searching 'quality' with poster 'Tenboro'.

This post has been edited by varst: Sep 29 2012, 16:22

First, thank you for sharing such info. I said "AFAIK" not "I AM RIGHT AND U WRONG AND HURR DURR I SO SMART AND EVERYONE ELSE STUPID".

Sorry for having been harsh but that's not the first time you give information without any kind of proof or experienced yourself.

There is no formula showing how much loot quality is affected by difficulty but if you test for some time you will see by yourself that the overall quality of items are increasing, compare with normal and IWBTH and you should see by yourself.

This post has been edited by danixxx: Sep 29 2012, 16:26

It is a either multiplier or addition to what you already have. Current values wouldn't be that complex to figure out actually, just have to record data on LOTS of potions.
Depending on luck of the draw:
The difference is that you can't get crude pretty much only against FSM afaik and that it increases with arena value, round value and RA has great but static value with far more drops. This means that IWBTH DWD has one under 0.45, probably quite a bit under. This means that playing on normal doesn't affect your chance for fine and maybe superior items depending on your preexisting LQB very significantly, but for exq and above and for T2/T3 the difference of flat +20% to minimum rolls goes a long way.

Already in wiki.

Yes but not in the pages I linked which discuss it but lack such clarification or links to relevant info (like the link you provided to "loot factors")

Item drops are affected by the same loot quality as equips: this includes the type of items you get and the quality (only on potions) you're getting.

Sorry, I meant to say "equipment vs potion" not "potion vs item".
And how do we know that the bonuses for potions and equipment are identical? Did ten state as such somewhere?

And it's even better for you to search evidence first if your idea contradicts others

Its not my idea its what I got from reading through the wiki as is stated in the multiple wiki links I provided.

Added link to 'Loot Quality Bonus' for first one.
Second one...seriously, it's just below the loot factor.
Third one...none of these multipliers are 100% sure to be connected to loot factor.

Its not my idea its what I got from reading through the wiki as is stated in the multiple wiki links I provided.

It simply means you've read the wrong pages. And the second one is just below loot factor.

And the second one is just below loot factor.

Yea, that one was a fail on my part.