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Yes we do. The transition points are 0, 50, and 75 (used to be 95).

Let me summarize how I read this, and hopefully it will clarify my question as well. Maths is the universal language.

X = "Monster Defense" number for Fire, Cold, Wind, Elec, Holy, Dark, Soul, Slashing, Crushing, or Piercing

X < 0 means monster scans as weak against X
0 <= X < 50 means X is not mentioned in monster scan
50 <= X < 75 means monster scans as resistant to X
75 <= X means monster scans as immune to X

Correct? I didn't see that in the wiki when I checked before, only starting categories for the classes. I can't double-check because that site isn't loading for me atm.

Let me summarize how I read this, and hopefully it will clarify my question as well. Maths is the universal language.

X = "Monster Defense" number for Fire, Cold, Wind, Elec, Holy, Dark, Soul, Slashing, Crushing, or Piercing

X < 0 means monster scans as weak against X
0 <= X < 50 means X is not mentioned in monster scan
50 <= X < 75 means monster scans as resistant to X
75 <= X means monster scans as immune to X

Correct? I didn't see that in the wiki when I checked before, only starting categories for the classes. I can't double-check because that site isn't loading for me atm.

X < 0 means monster scans as weak against X
0 <= X <= 50 means X is not mentioned in monster scan
50 < X <= 75 means monster scans as resistant to X
75 < X means monster scans as impervious to X

Close enough. Thanks for clearing that up, I always wondered.

There is a little icon directly to the left of equipment names in the inventory that looks like a little lock, does anyone know what's that for?

There is a little icon directly to the left of equipment names in the inventory that looks like a little lock, does anyone know what's that for?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Bazaar#Equipment_Shop

why is the scroll and infusion supply in the ITEM SHOP
always empty?

is there a certain time to get them ?
or can we get more of them in stock or however supply works?


i tried to search this thread and found no answer

Those you tend to have to find yourself, unless you get really lucky shopping

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Bazaar#Equipment_Shop

Thanks for the intel.

or can we get more of them in stock or however supply works?

The shop does not seed anything besides crystals.

Question 1:
My gloves give +6.61% magic accuracy, +9.97 int +11.27 wis.
According to wiki http://ehwiki.org/wiki/attributes#Primary_Attributes
I should be getting about +1.127% from the wisdom and +0.4985% from the int. Grand total from gloves of 8.2355%.

The difference between having the gloves on and off is going from 95.3 to 95.7% chance to hit with magic attack.
How does 8.2355% increase becomes a 0.4% increase?

Question 2:
I have used absorb for well over a thousand rounds and it hasn't blocked a single special attack. What gives?

This post has been edited by mrttao: Jun 28 2012, 06:55

Question 1:
My gloves give +6.61% magic accuracy, +9.97 int +11.27 wis.
According to wiki http://ehwiki.org/wiki/attributes#Primary_Attributes
I should be getting about +1.127% from the wisdom and +0.4985% from the int. Grand total from gloves of 8.2355%.

The difference between having the gloves on and off is going from 95.3 to 95.7% chance to hit with magic attack.
How does 8.2355% increase becomes a 0.4% increase?

Question 2:
I have used absorb for well over a thousand rounds and it hasn't blocked a single special attack. What gives?

Answer:
1. You have 80% base accuracy, and those chance add up in a multiplicative way.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats#Accuracy_.26_Crit

2. Absorb works on magical attacks only, has 75% success rate, and won't work on crits.

Answer:
1. You have 80% base accuracy, and those chance add up in a multiplicative way.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats#Accuracy_.26_Crit

Thanks. Multiplicative application of percent is the only correct way to apply percentages. Otherwise its not % (percent) but pp (percent point) which is totally different.
However the formula in that link does not calculate out hit chance, it calculates MISS chances. This is important because the % reduction in miss chance is significantly less then a % increase of hit chances due to having a base value of 20% rather then 80%. And also because multiple sources diminish your returns rather then amplify it (100 * 0.5 * 0.5 = 25; delta of -75%; 100 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 225; delta of +125%).

2. Absorb works on magical attacks only, has 75% success rate, and won't work on crits.

I know that, I read the wiki. This doesn't explain why it NEVER procs.

The question is, what IS a "magical attack"? The special attacks that consume mana? I saw over 30 non crit named attacks bypass absorb (with 5 ability points for 75% chance) and it has never stopped a single one.

It is clear that consumes mana =! magical attack. So what is? Tier 2 mana consuming attacks? Only elemental attacks that consume mana? Only spirit consuming attacks from bosses?

The wiki says "Absorbs both magic and spirit attacks." and thats balony because it never ever procs on magical attacks.

This post has been edited by mrttao: Jun 29 2012, 00:22

I know that, I read the wiki. This doesn't explain why it NEVER procs.

The question is, what IS a "magical attack"? The special attacks that consume mana? I saw over 30 non crit named attacks bypass absorb (with 5 ability points for 75% chance) and it has never stopped a single one.

It is clear that consumes mana =! magical attack. So what is? Tier 2 mana consuming attacks? Only elemental attacks that consume mana? Only spirit consuming attacks from bosses?

The wiki says "Absorbs both magic and spirit attacks." and thats balony because it never ever procs on magical attacks.

Attacks which damage type is 'magical'.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Bestiary
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Skill_Editor

Absorb is pretty fail except in very specific circumstances like possibly eating FSM's SP attack without taking spirit damage. A Magical special is "cast" while a physical attack is "used". I haven't seen any regular attacks (i.e. from elementals) be absorbed by it.

Absorb is pretty fail except in very specific circumstances like possibly eating FSM's SP attack without taking spirit damage. A Magical special is "cast" while a physical attack is "used". I haven't seen any regular attacks (i.e. from elementals) be absorbed by it.

Basically no regular attacks are magical (even those from elementals are physical).

According to the wiki the only magical attacks in custom monsters are:
Tier 3 attack for dragons.
Tier 2 & 3 for Celestials and Sprites
Tier 1, 2, & 3 for Elementals.

Those are tiers of special mana consuming attacks. The basic attacks are all physical.

PL0 (costs 50 mana): Tier 1 skills
PL200 (cost 50 mana): Tier 2 skills
PL400 (cost 100 spirit): Tier 3 skills

So, before you start facing PL200+ custom monsters the only thing absorb can catch from custom monsters are, theoretically an elemental's PL0 skill attack. Which I have never seen happen.

In the last 20 levels or so I only see custom monsters, every dozen fights or so I will see a singular regular monster hidden among the throng of customs.

Still, well over a thousand rounds and not a single trigger, and I know I got hit by non crit elemental magical attacks as well as some others. So either my luck is implausibly bad for what is a nearly worthless ability.
or it just doesn't apply.

This post has been edited by mrttao: Jun 29 2012, 07:07

Still, well over a thousand rounds and not a single trigger, and I know I got hit by non crit elemental magical attacks as well as some others. So either my luck is implausibly bad for an already extremely shitty ability... or it just doesn't apply.

The former one.

The former one.

Implausible.
I will bet you 1 hath... you know what, forget betting I will just give a hath (if I am right I get nothing) to the first person to post a screenshot showing an elemental's PL0 skill being absorbed.

This post has been edited by mrttao: Jun 29 2012, 06:55

I sent you that hath.

However, as a post PL200 monster this could be his tier 2 skill. Both tier1 and tier2 cost 50MP to cast but the question was whether the tier1 skill elementals get at PL0 can trigger it.
Did you look at the attack names on this one?

EDIT: ok, I replicated your test methodology and I managed to absorb my first spell on a PL130 elemental. Yay me.

I am thinking of the 30 or so non crits 50 mana costing tier 1 skills that bypassed my absorb in the past, most were something other then an elemental. A few definitely were and I just got unlucky on those.

I don't know why I didn't think of isolating an elemental and just defending until it hits me with a spell. Its so obvious a test compared to just normal fighting. Eh.

This post has been edited by mrttao: Jun 29 2012, 07:19