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Level 40 items are better than level 190 items?? I find that hard to believe.

Let us compare:
60
43
Vs.
190
171

lol. The 190 pants beat the level 43 one IMO, but just. The glove wins hands down VS the shoes.

Damn, you must be really lucky to get such good items>_<. I get some fine stuff, but all crappy>_<

Level 40 items are better than level 190 items?? I find that hard to believe.

Yeah, there are some nice low level items out there like this one
Fine silver-trimmed phase gloves of mjolnir
Attack Accuracy Bonus + 2.47 %
Magic Accuracy Bonus + 5.13 %
Physical Absorption + 0.56 (0.57)
Physical Mitigation + 1.07 %
Magical Absorption + 1.91 (1.93)
Magical Mitigation + 1.62 %
Evade Chance + 6.28 (6.30) %
Elemental Damage Bonuses
Elec + 5.12 (5.17)
Primary Attribute Bonuses
Intelligence + 1.01 (1.02) Wisdom + 1.01 (1.02)
Agility + 0.40 (0.41)
Level 57 (58) / Slot: Hands / Type: Cloth armor



Here's a random comparison of a level 65 vs 208 items I have. If you were to level the lower one to 208, it appears it would be better than the current 208 item, but currently it's already quite comparable.

Superior Prism-trimmed Silk Shoes of the
Raccoon
Attack Accuracy Bonus + 0.88 % (+ 0.83) %
Physical Absorption + 3.64 (+ 1.48)
Physical Mitigation + 0.63 % (+ 0.49) %
Magical Absorption + 4.24 (+ 1.73)
Magical Mitigation + 0.77 % (+ 0.60) %
Evade Chance + 4.18 % (+ 3.25) %
Resist Chance + 0.77 % (+ 0.60) %
Burden + 2.54
Primary Attribute Bonuses
Dexterity + 2.62 (+ 1.00) Agility + 1.96 (+ 0.75)
Level 208 / Slot: Feet / Type: Cloth armor

Superior Silk Shoes of the Raccoon
Attack Accuracy Bonus + 0.83 %
Physical Absorption + 1.85
Physical Mitigation + 1.09 %
Magical Absorption + 1.32
Magical Mitigation + 1.17 %
Evade Chance + 3.49 %
Resist Chance + 1.17 %
Burden + 3.81
Primary Attribute Bonuses
Dexterity + 2.70 Agility + 0.45
Level 65 / Slot: Feet / Type: Cloth armor

Superior Prism-trimmed Silk Shoes of the Raccoon (208)

Superior Silk Shoes of the Raccoon (65)

lol. The 190 pants beat the level 43 one IMO, but just. The glove wins hands down VS the shoes.

Damn, you must be really lucky to get such good items>_<. I get some fine stuff, but all crappy>_<

The creation of these Items is apparently not an exact science. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Some of my gear -things like Ruby and Sapphire and Fine Quality and Lower -in some cases actually beat some of the best items that people were trying to sell -I still possess a Fine Ruby (pair of Chausses, I think) that has overall better stats than a Magnificent Prism of the same type that was available 'back in the day' (in the old Rating system).

My current heavy Armor loadout still consists of mostly Fine/Ruby and Sapphire -not even Diamond, let alone Prism -and only one piece in my entire collection of all types of Armor (my Robe) is an Exquisite.


QUESTION: Has anybody here ever improved their Proc Stats by leveling up an Item via Item World??


This post has been edited by Thanos008: Mar 25 2010, 12:26

Let us compare:
60
43
Vs.
190
171

first off these gloves are pre-nerfed stuff, and the reason they were nerfed was because crappy stuff could be better than very good stuff in special cases

Level 40 items are better than level 190 items?? I find that hard to believe.

I don't know why the surprise, quality don't depends on the level, only depends on luck of getting it, nothing more.

My problem with the equipment system is in regard to the first point. Items 150 levels lower than me are better than anything I can find. I see these users so many levels below me using better equipment than me and it pisses me off.

The reason why so many low levels players have so much good stuff, is because 99% of then are low level lol, seriously even if the top 100 levels players master all trainings regarding items, there's probably over 100,000 or even more, there's more probably of some low level player get good stuff.
And even more, probably don't know it was good and drop to the shop, there who's gonna get it? Some +50s levels player or a +150 levels player?

This post has been edited by cmdct: Mar 25 2010, 12:43

QUESTION: Has anybody here ever improved their Proc Stats by leveling up an Item via Item World??

If you mean percent, then I highly doubt anyone ever has. Edit: Silly me, what am I talking about? Of course there are even procs (such as 18% PA), it's just that there are certain gaps in possible proc percent (which I'm not as sure of when I first posted this).

As for proc duration, yes, I've had an Axe go from three to four somewhere in the low 100s. The axe is long-gone, unfortunately.

This post has been edited by mkonji: Mar 25 2010, 19:51

If you mean percent, then I highly doubt anyone ever has. The reason I say this is because I've never seen an even-numbered Proc (except for Ether theft, but those are doubled, and I've never seen an odd Ether theft proc or one divisible by four). That tells me they use a completely different stat system and probably never change (it's possible they increase by 2, but it'd be a completely new phenomenon to me).

As for proc duration, yes, I've had an Axe go from three to four somewhere in the low 100s. The axe is long-gone, unfortunately.

Only what is reduced by scale, can be also increased by leveling up, so to answer your question, no % chance can be increased.

Only what is reduced by scale, can be also increased by leveling up, so to answer your question, no % chance can be increased.

Oh, but what about Burden/Interference? They are not reduced by scale, but can be increased. Perhaps proc percent is one of those (I very much doubt it, though).

Oh, but what about Burden/Interference? They are not reduced by scale, but can be increased. Perhaps proc percent is one of those (I very much doubt it, though).

Compromise stats were scaled until some release before, but not now.

lol. The 190 pants beat the level 43 one IMO, but just. The glove wins hands down VS the shoes.

Using the 190 pants, I got to round 438 in Grindfest. Using the 43 pants I got to round 705.

Damn, you must be really lucky to get such good items>_<. I get some fine stuff, but all crappy>_<

I found the higher 2. I traded for/bought the lower level ones.

first off these gloves are pre-nerfed stuff

I know that, but its not like they are one of the insane pre-nerfed 8% evasion Phase.

I couldn't let this one lie.

If you use a scroll of the gods and the haste spell, you'll get the effect of both?

EX:
Haste from the scroll of the gods = + 35 speed
Haste spell = + 35 speed
Incrised speed = + 70?

Yes, and the scroll gives you +100 action speed
Same for other scroll abilities

Actually, the answer's no. I've tested this, and you only get the effect from the scroll. It isn't as much as +100 either, despite what it says in the release notes.

I know Shield stacks, so probably the same with Barrier. SV and Haste may differ because there's hard caps or summat.

I did some more testing, confirmed some things and discovered some other things.

1. Action speed is capped at 200 (ie minimum one-unit action time is 100). With my mage gear I'm hitting this cap... which means I'm actually doing to get less benefit from Haste in the future as my action speed increases.
2. With a high burden setup I can avoid the cap and see how much the Scroll of Swiftness adds to my speed. The actual value is about 70, give or take a bit. That's equivalent to a 125 proficiency cast.
3. Haste and Scroll don't stack. The speed increase is exactly the same with just a Scroll. (I used a 110 burden setup just to make sure I wasn't hitting the cap.) I don't know what happens if your Haste spell is more powerful than the Scroll.
4. High interference doesn't reduce the strength of the spell as much as it says it does (don't tell you-know-who). Which is nice.

1. Action speed is capped at 200 (ie minimum one-unit action time is 100). With my mage gear I'm hitting this cap... which means I'm actually doing to get less benefit from Haste in the future as my action speed increases.

Hmmm...
I have a base action speed of 177.
I have a burden of 14.4 (I (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) 3 pieces of Phase)
177-14.4= 162.6
That means haste is only giving me a bonus action speed of 37.4 (200- 162.6= 37.4) rather than my quoted 88.
Boo! Tenboro should have it prorate Mana costs based on the percentage of your quoted action speed bonus you actually receive.

Hmmm...
I have a base action speed of 177.
I have a burden of 14.4 (I (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) 3 pieces of Phase)
177-14.4= 162.6
That means haste is only giving me a bonus action speed of 37.4 (200- 162.6= 37.4) rather than my quoted 88.
Boo! Tenboro should have it prorate Mana costs based on the percentage of your quoted action speed bonus you actually receive.

Wait, aren't you making the count wrong? Isn't above 20 that burden reduces you action speed? If so you already have the 177 action speed.

Isn't above 20 that burden reduces you action speed?

According to here, that is true. I had never seen that before.

According to here, that is true. I had never seen that before.

Actually, I didn't see anything in the release notes, but I assume that's right.
Although, that's easy to know, go on cake flimsy IW with the cloth and naked and see the difference.

If you go into a High Quality Weapon for Item World, but turn down the difficulty (as I am doing right now because I simply can't solve my Exquisite Prism item on Normal Difficulty).....does turning down the difficulty reduce the quality of potential Item/Weapon drops??

1. Action speed is capped at 200 (ie minimum one-unit action time is 100). With my mage gear I'm hitting this cap... which means I'm actually doing to get less benefit from Haste in the future as my action speed increases.

So when we hit 300+ AGI, we can practically stop using Haste. Now there's something to look forward to. =\

I'm more or less in the same boat as Boggy. I get ~90 AS from Haste and I'm usually only 10-15 points overburdened (because I'm NOT a mage and wear some Heavy and Light) with 177 base AS so I only get about half the buff.

If you go into a High Quality Weapon for Item World, but turn down the difficulty (as I am doing right now because I simply can't solve my Exquisite Prism item on Normal Difficulty).....does turning down the difficulty reduce the quality of potential Item/Weapon drops??

You don't need to clear your exquisite item you know? Besides you have better probability of getting a Item/Weapon drops on the arena.
BTW how much farther you can get without using items?

Edit:

So when we hit 300+ AGI, we can practically stop using Haste. Now there's something to look forward to. =\

I'm more or less in the same boat as Boggy. I get ~90 AS from Haste and I'm usually only 10-15 points overburdened (because I'm NOT a mage and wear some Heavy and Light) with 177 base AS so I only get about half the buff.

Actually that is good, because a tanker can be faster like a mage, but with stronger defense.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Mar 25 2010, 23:30

So when we hit 300+ AGI, we can practically stop using Haste. Now there's something to look forward to. =\

I'm more or less in the same boat as Boggy. I get ~90 AS from Haste and I'm usually only 10-15 points overburdened (because I'm NOT a mage and wear some Heavy and Light) with 177 base AS so I only get about half the buff.

I think I can stop using Haste long before 300 agility. Once I hit level 200, I'll get X-Magic and its 25% reduction to magic casting time. For AOEs that has to be at least equal to the effective 23 increase to my Action speed from Haste. I think I'll switch from Haste being my auto-cast spell to Shadow Veil.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Mar 25 2010, 23:33

You don't need to clear your exquisite item you know?

You do if you want to level the item up.

Furthermore, Monsters hit HARD on the Normal and higher difficulties; and if I can't completely solve a Weapon/Armor to level it up then I want to go as far as possible without using ANY Items as I am essentially farming at that point.

Besides you have better probability of getting a Item/Weapon drops on the arena.

Unless you have raw numbers to that effect, I have to disagree.

Now, maybe it's the fact that I have Luck of the Draw and similar so highly trained, but I scoop up Weapons and Armor by the truckload when I do an Item World.

BTW how much farther you can get without using items?

On Normal in my best pieces of equipment, I can't get far enough in an Item World for the increase in Weapon/Armor/Item quality to do me any good (usu. around the 100-round range or thereabouts) without using a bunch of my own Items...and depending on the lack of Gem Drops and I what brought with me, sometimes I can't get that far at all.